Over the years I have become convinced that this game is not random in any way. From your matchup, to your card draws, to your pack openings, to the RNG within your games, all of them are weighted by blizzard towards achieving their goals of a 50 percent win rate and to inspire/reward spending.
In todays episode I decided to ladder a bit with Keleseth Rogue. I win two games then match up 3 straight games with exodia mage (ok that could be random). Each game it starts me with swashburgler (ok, we know it likes to give you a one cost in your opening hand and that is a fine enough opening) but the capper is hilarious. In all 3 games, it generates a frost nova........Now can a math guy run the odds on that? lol, how about the odds that the algorithim has decided that giving keleseth rogue a frost nova against exodia mage keeps the game interesting interesting.....far more likely.
Anyone who plays this game for a fair bit of time knows exactly what I am talking about. How many times you mulligan away your hand and get the exact same cards back? How many times after a win streak do you get the same losing matchup, even the same card order game after game? Anyone with 3 or more gold heroes actually think this game is random at all?
Too many times to all that. Possible that cards in packs are random but that's about it. Everything else is purposefully manipulated to keep that 50 percent alive.
I've already touched on this and people just say I'm crazy but I find it odd the moment I hit a win streak my good cards get buried and my opponents get fantastic curves
If winrates were weighted in the way you're suggesting -- where your success is actively damaged by weighting -- it would be next to impossible for professional players or even just high-ranked players to rise above others. Literally... the existence of players who succeed over others disproves the idea of skewed ranking... unless you think Blizzard is favoring pros... but how would they have even become pros then?
Incidentally there are hoards of logical reasons for bad luck in ladder. Constantly matching against a powerful deck would make sense since those are usually popular, and as people have complained about in identical other threads, sure sometimes you try to pick a deck that counters it and get matched against counters to THAT... but that's how that works too; everyone is trying to counter what each other are playing, which is always a rat race where one deck replaces another constantly.
If you are unable to rise in winrate or in ranking (one or the other must rise), then you are not improving as a player. Blaming statistics with alternate explanations instead of blaming the only consistent factor in your games (you) and improving your play is not going to help you win games.
So you're saying that the same guys struggling to make Deathstalker Rexxar able to discover post KoFT beasts are the ones behind this very very simple illuminati algorithm?
Still remember this from the megathread about this where folks swore they were going to test it out over more than 3 games. Pulling nova 3 times in 3 games and declaring rigged is similar to declaring the lottery winner a cheater because they won.
Still waiting for that test. Given that the concept is that the mechanics of the game forces a 50% rate it should be simple enough to replicate it repeatedly.
If the game forces Novas on a Kel rogue then wouldn't that mean you can just keep pulling novas regularly enough for, say, a 30 game trial? Or just run through some tournaments or twitch streams since Kel Rogue is a popular top tier deck with a lot of broadcasted play.
Sidenote: does that mean the folks who claim to go from 20 games to 3 with a particular deck are lying given that such a win rate wouldn't happen if the mechanics force the game into a 50/50 lock?
I've already touched on this and people just say I'm crazy but I find it odd the moment I hit a win streak my good cards get buried and my opponents get fantastic curves
I do believe that it was confirmed that if you are on a winstreak, you are matched against other players who are on a winstreak (if available). This means that the deck-quality or player quality of your opponent suddenly goes up......and you have a much greater chance of a loss.
After years of Hearthstone and years of experience on what you said,i have come to believe that the ultimate theory is now true.Also inspired by true events.And it goes like this:
The matrix is real.Everything is build to make as either happy or sad.And most of the times sad.When you think Blizzard is trying to screw you over and keep you at 50% win rate,its actually not them,its the machines that took over earth and are keeping you on a slumber.Everything around you is a lie.You should have realised by now.!
Man, you've no numbers to male the claim. If you really want to backup what you're saying then you must provide proofs on a large pool of matches (hundreds of them, not just a bunch).
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For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
It’s not conspiracy. I have noticed that in arena if u get 0-2. Ur 3rd game opening hand has a great chance to be 1,2,3 and going first.
Dude what!? If you are 0-2 you are nearly 100% certain to match up against someone with the same 0-2 stats as you. And shouldnt that player have the same "greater chance" of going first? Thats got to mean that sometimes both you and your opponent gets to go first!
It's bad quality random generator. Instead of using good algorithm like PCG they are likely using default .NET generator. It has very low statistical quality, but Blizzard programmers are too lazy to care about it.
So don't try to find evil plot where things can be explained by someone's stupidity.
In todays episode I decided to ladder a bit with Keleseth Rogue. I win two games then match up 3 straight games with exodia mage (ok that could be random). Each game it starts me with swashburgler (ok, we know it likes to give you a one cost in your opening hand and that is a fine enough opening) but the capper is hilarious. In all 3 games, it generates a frost nova........Now can a math guy run the odds on that? lol, how about the odds that the algorithim has decided that giving keleseth rogue a frost nova against exodia mage keeps the game interesting interesting.....far more likely.
I am sorry but this seems like salt to me. Yes, it is unlikely to get 3 frost novas (by my calculations approximately 0.003 % - it is early morning, so excuse any mistakes) but it happens. We have all seen more unlikely events happen in the history of Hearthstone.
And do you really think that Blizzard has coded an algorithm to change the outcome of RNG cards in certain match ups? In that case hats off to Blizzard for coding specific RNG-outcomes in certain matchups, and make it dependent on you and your opponents winrates at the giving time. Holy shit.
Anyone who plays this game for a fair bit of time knows exactly what I am talking about. How many times you mulligan away your hand and get the exact same cards back? How many times after a win streak do you get the same losing matchup, even the same card order game after game? Anyone with 3 or more gold heroes actually think this game is random at all?
How many times you mulligan away your hand and get the exact same cards back? It's quite rare for me. If I run a duplicate I might get one of them back but the vast majority of the time I receive other cards - and so do you. In case you don't believe me then try keeping track of it in a document.
How many times after a win streak do you get the same losing matchup, even the same card order game after game? Stop playing on tilt. If you win 5 game and subsequently start losing then take a break. It is indeed possible to climb the ladder as it otherwise would be impossible to reach legend. And no Blizzard do not favor some players. Otherwise Kripperian would be the best player in the world.
Calm down, accept your defeats, try to improve or take a break from the game. Blaming all your loses on algorithms or RNG won't help you in any way.
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Still not sure why I bother playing this game.
Over the years I have become convinced that this game is not random in any way. From your matchup, to your card draws, to your pack openings, to the RNG within your games, all of them are weighted by blizzard towards achieving their goals of a 50 percent win rate and to inspire/reward spending.
In todays episode I decided to ladder a bit with Keleseth Rogue. I win two games then match up 3 straight games with exodia mage (ok that could be random). Each game it starts me with swashburgler (ok, we know it likes to give you a one cost in your opening hand and that is a fine enough opening) but the capper is hilarious. In all 3 games, it generates a frost nova........Now can a math guy run the odds on that? lol, how about the odds that the algorithim has decided that giving keleseth rogue a frost nova against exodia mage keeps the game interesting interesting.....far more likely.
Anyone who plays this game for a fair bit of time knows exactly what I am talking about. How many times you mulligan away your hand and get the exact same cards back? How many times after a win streak do you get the same losing matchup, even the same card order game after game? Anyone with 3 or more gold heroes actually think this game is random at all?
Too many times to all that. Possible that cards in packs are random but that's about it. Everything else is purposefully manipulated to keep that 50 percent alive.
I've already touched on this and people just say I'm crazy but I find it odd the moment I hit a win streak my good cards get buried and my opponents get fantastic curves
If winrates were weighted in the way you're suggesting -- where your success is actively damaged by weighting -- it would be next to impossible for professional players or even just high-ranked players to rise above others. Literally... the existence of players who succeed over others disproves the idea of skewed ranking... unless you think Blizzard is favoring pros... but how would they have even become pros then?
Incidentally there are hoards of logical reasons for bad luck in ladder. Constantly matching against a powerful deck would make sense since those are usually popular, and as people have complained about in identical other threads, sure sometimes you try to pick a deck that counters it and get matched against counters to THAT... but that's how that works too; everyone is trying to counter what each other are playing, which is always a rat race where one deck replaces another constantly.
If you are unable to rise in winrate or in ranking (one or the other must rise), then you are not improving as a player. Blaming statistics with alternate explanations instead of blaming the only consistent factor in your games (you) and improving your play is not going to help you win games.
Break out the tinfoil hats, the conspiracy theorists are back.
Oh but at least you played a grand sum of 5 games to back up your claim!
So you're saying that the same guys struggling to make Deathstalker Rexxar able to discover post KoFT beasts are the ones behind this very very simple illuminati algorithm?
I agree to the 50% algorithm.
With that, what separates the pros and the rest is how you are able to still win with actually "random" draws OR intentionally bad draws.
if (3nnui== winning())
{
firstoppeninghand(swashburgler(),patches(),bonemere());
swashburglar(played(addtohand(frostnova()));
}
actual code ftom the game acording to OP
Still remember this from the megathread about this where folks swore they were going to test it out over more than 3 games. Pulling nova 3 times in 3 games and declaring rigged is similar to declaring the lottery winner a cheater because they won.
Still waiting for that test. Given that the concept is that the mechanics of the game forces a 50% rate it should be simple enough to replicate it repeatedly.
If the game forces Novas on a Kel rogue then wouldn't that mean you can just keep pulling novas regularly enough for, say, a 30 game trial? Or just run through some tournaments or twitch streams since Kel Rogue is a popular top tier deck with a lot of broadcasted play.
Sidenote: does that mean the folks who claim to go from 20 games to 3 with a particular deck are lying given that such a win rate wouldn't happen if the mechanics force the game into a 50/50 lock?
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
This has been proven false sooo many times.
Dude... Just stop.
After years of Hearthstone and years of experience on what you said,i have come to believe that the ultimate theory is now true.Also inspired by true events.And it goes like this:
The matrix is real.Everything is build to make as either happy or sad.And most of the times sad.When you think Blizzard is trying to screw you over and keep you at 50% win rate,its actually not them,its the machines that took over earth and are keeping you on a slumber.Everything around you is a lie.You should have realised by now.!
Just Another Legend Player#Kappa
theyX're putting Deadly Poison in the water that turn the frickin Hex gay
I tried having fun once. It was awful.
Another prime example of how confirmation bias works. The tinfoil knight in his shiny but light armor rides again...
Wait so you are saying that on the long run your deck has a 50% winrate? How statistically unlikely....
Tin foil hat, please!
Man, you've no numbers to male the claim. If you really want to backup what you're saying then you must provide proofs on a large pool of matches (hundreds of them, not just a bunch).
For what profit is it to a man, if he gains the world and loses his own soul?
...The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude to the problem.
It's bad quality random generator. Instead of using good algorithm like PCG they are likely using default .NET generator. It has very low statistical quality, but Blizzard programmers are too lazy to care about it.
So don't try to find evil plot where things can be explained by someone's stupidity.
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I am sorry but this seems like salt to me. Yes, it is unlikely to get 3 frost novas (by my calculations approximately 0.003 % - it is early morning, so excuse any mistakes) but it happens. We have all seen more unlikely events happen in the history of Hearthstone.
And do you really think that Blizzard has coded an algorithm to change the outcome of RNG cards in certain match ups? In that case hats off to Blizzard for coding specific RNG-outcomes in certain matchups, and make it dependent on you and your opponents winrates at the giving time. Holy shit.
It's quite rare for me. If I run a duplicate I might get one of them back but the vast majority of the time I receive other cards - and so do you. In case you don't believe me then try keeping track of it in a document.
Stop playing on tilt. If you win 5 game and subsequently start losing then take a break. It is indeed possible to climb the ladder as it otherwise would be impossible to reach legend. And no Blizzard do not favor some players. Otherwise Kripperian would be the best player in the world.