I honeslty think the meta is like 90% as it's gonna be for the next 4 months now, people started to try to win again instead of just trying all the new stuff and hope it was good enough, that's the reason you're starting to see a lot more Tempo Rogues and Raza cycle Priests again, I feel like the tiers are gonna be something very similar to the following (keep in mind that this are not in any particular order, which means that the first deck from tier 1 is not technically better than the last one) :
-Tier 1: Controlock (Cube or classic control), Highlander priest, Tempo Rogue, Tempo secret Mage, Aggro Paladin and Big Priest.
-Tier 3: Mid-range/Face Hunter, Evolve Shaman, Spellhunter, Quest Mage, Big Warrior, Control Mage, Non big spell Dragon Priest.
-Tier 4: Control Paladin, Miracle Rogue and then the rest of memes that people try with all the new weapons that are just worse than exiting archetypes.
*EDIT: while I'm saying that the meta is 90-95% settled already that means the archetypes themselves, there will obviously be a lot or refining and optimization left to do but the archetypes are pretty much settled and you can already see a wide variety of core cards that won't go anywhere.
I'm a little concerned about Big Priest. I actually don't think people are playing the best version of that yet. The removal package can do with a lot of tinkering. When the meta settles, the removal package will settle...and that is worrisome to me.
Other than that, it appears (for now) that we have a triangle meta shaping up. Priest beats warlock. Warlock beats tempo/aggro. Tempo aggro beats Priest. Obviously ,it's not so simplified, but it's in that ballpark.
There's probably space for Druid and Mage here in the top ranks.
I dusted almost my entire collection to make cubelock.
If they nerf it im quitting.
No worries, the winrate is dropping already, like with all the other new decks except aggro paladin. It turned out silence is pretty important!
I expected more than one observatio with a threadname like that, OP...
I honestly feel Controlock in general is a very powerful archetype rn but people are still experimenting a lot with the new cards, in a month or so they'll drop all the useless/not optimal cards (probably even the cubes honestly) and it will sit high on tier 1 for the rest of the expansion.
I dusted almost my entire collection to make cubelock.
If they nerf it im quitting.
No worries, the winrate is dropping already, like with all the other new decks except aggro paladin. It turned out silence is pretty important!
I expected more than one observatio with a threadname like that, OP...
I honestly feel Controlock in general is a very powerful archetype rn but people are still experimenting a lot with the new cards, in a month or so they'll drop all the useless/not optimal cards (probably even the cubes honestly) and it will sit high on tier 1 for the rest of the expansion.
Cubelock without Carnivorous Cubes? Whatever you’re smoking, id like a hit please....
i am unsure abot satellite priest....it is a relatively new deck and there is still a lot of refining to do, but the first results are outstanding. So we might even see it go for t1 or fall flat....but priest with 3 decks in t1 meta would be crazy...so there might be hope for every class that struggles and has a real f'ed up basic/classic kit
I like the meta for one reason and one reason alone:
MILL ROGUE IS BACK BABY!!!
Seriously, my favourite deck is like tier 3 for the first time ever in standard. And who does not enjoy whupping cubelock by healing all the damage they do each turn with a 15 damage lifesteal weapon, while they take fatigue damage each turn. Either way, I think this meta is a little better than the last because I am seeing a wide variety of speeds of decks, with aggro, tempo, a little midrange, and various control and combo decks of a few sorts. I feel like this meta is more diverse than every deck being tempo or razakus. I know that is slightly inaccurate, but that is how it felt. And as I mentioned, mill rogue is not completely terrible, and that is a remarkable and beautiful experience for me.
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Just fill your deck with one drops, that is creative deck design, right?
Cubelock isn't actually that good. You'll get the combo before Razakus kills you 1 out of 10 times at best and silence/sap/vanish/weapon removal ends it. I mean, yes, it's a good deck.. but it's not too of the meta good.
Razakus and Tempo Rogue seem like the best 2 decks by a wide margin, especially if they tech slightly to counter Warlock.
I dusted almost my entire collection to make cubelock.
If they nerf it im quitting.
No worries, the winrate is dropping already, like with all the other new decks except aggro paladin. It turned out silence is pretty important!
I expected more than one observatio with a threadname like that, OP...
I honestly feel Controlock in general is a very powerful archetype rn but people are still experimenting a lot with the new cards, in a month or so they'll drop all the useless/not optimal cards (probably even the cubes honestly) and it will sit high on tier 1 for the rest of the expansion.
Cubelock without Carnivorous Cubes? Whatever you’re smoking, id like a hit please....
You proabably already smoked something buddy, if you actually read what I said, you would realize I used CONTROLOCK and not CUBELOCK, if you have any knowledge of hearthstone, you would realize that at its core, cubelock is just a variation of a control warlock so the whole point of my comment was to say that the control warlock archetype overall, both cube and classic control, is very powerful on the meta rn and then I continued by saying that while cubelock is powerful rn it may not be the most solid of lists and that the class might move towards a more classic control type of warlock, and drop the cubes, if you are slightly intelligent, then you will obviously understand that the feck would not be called cubelock anymore but just CONTROLOCK, but that doesn't mean the cube variant is not a control deck. You know, reading is a wonderful thing, you should try it buddy.
I dusted almost my entire collection to make cubelock.
If they nerf it im quitting.
No worries, the winrate is dropping already, like with all the other new decks except aggro paladin. It turned out silence is pretty important!
I expected more than one observatio with a threadname like that, OP...
I honestly feel Controlock in general is a very powerful archetype rn but people are still experimenting a lot with the new cards, in a month or so they'll drop all the useless/not optimal cards (probably even the cubes honestly) and it will sit high on tier 1 for the rest of the expansion.
Cubelock without Carnivorous Cubes? Whatever you’re smoking, id like a hit please....
You proabably already smoked something buddy, if you actually read what I said, you would realize I used CONTROLOCK and not CUBELOCK, if you have any knowledge of hearthstone, you would realize that at its core, cubelock is just a variation of a control warlock so the whole point of my comment was to say that the control warlock archetype overall, both cube and classic control, is very powerful on the meta rn and then I continued by saying that while cubelock is powerful rn it may not be the most solid of lists and that the class might move towards a more classic control type of warlock, and drop the cubes, if you are slightly intelligent, then you will obviously understand that the feck would not be called cubelock anymore but just CONTROLOCK, but that doesn't mean the cube variant is not a control deck. You know, reading is a wonderful thing, you should try it buddy.
But controlock is not good compared to cubelock, cube made warlock really good.
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Just fill your deck with one drops, that is creative deck design, right?
I think aggro pally is the best deck right now by a good margin it just has everything it could use. Tech in a silence and cubelock is pretty screwed since they rely on deathrattles and taunts to save them. Most other decks need crazy blow out starts (Mana Wyrm into The CoinKabal Lackey into Explosive Runes) and/or perfect curves and top decks to keep up with it. Corridor Creeper has won me so many games by playing it on turn 3-4 with little tempo loss. I think its the big bad wolf of this meta like tempo rogue was but even more so since it can blow you out quicker and pretty much goes through its entire deck every match beyond turn 7. (So happy as a Paladin main to be seeing pally be good every expansion)
Last season i dusted prince keleseth because i never thought it would be a viable card only to craft it again next month because it was an MVP, i told myself i wouldnt do it again next expansion. This time round i opened skull of the manari and waited about 3 days to dust it because theres no way a deck would crop up with that trash weapon. It's only gone and happened again, NEXT expansion im keeping all of my legendaries
I like cubelock and Voidlock style decks for Warlock. Not a fan of discard version of zoo. I like the old zoo where your not throwing away cards. Anyways. TIRED of seeing spell hunter and Tempo Mage. THOSE two decks make up at least 39% of the meta for me over the last week of games I've tracked on my phone (games I play at work during lunch and breaks so don't have deck tracker).
Meta is garbage. Just play priest and you get free wins 60% of the time. Doesnt matter if its Raza, dragon or big priest. It has never been easier reaching legend than now, when things are so broken.
Ive kinda been diggin it except for cubelock. Playing against cubelock is just pure ResidentSleeper. Other thoughts?
Cubelock is awesome my friend, God bless the warlock class! :)
I honeslty think the meta is like 90% as it's gonna be for the next 4 months now, people started to try to win again instead of just trying all the new stuff and hope it was good enough, that's the reason you're starting to see a lot more Tempo Rogues and Raza cycle Priests again, I feel like the tiers are gonna be something very similar to the following (keep in mind that this are not in any particular order, which means that the first deck from tier 1 is not technically better than the last one) :
-Tier 1: Controlock (Cube or classic control), Highlander priest, Tempo Rogue, Tempo secret Mage, Aggro Paladin and Big Priest.
-Tier 2: Zoolock, Aggro Druid, Satellite Priest, Big Druid, Jade Druid, Pirate Warrior, Murloc Paladin.
-Tier 3: Mid-range/Face Hunter, Evolve Shaman, Spellhunter, Quest Mage, Big Warrior, Control Mage, Non big spell Dragon Priest.
-Tier 4: Control Paladin, Miracle Rogue and then the rest of memes that people try with all the new weapons that are just worse than exiting archetypes.
*EDIT: while I'm saying that the meta is 90-95% settled already that means the archetypes themselves, there will obviously be a lot or refining and optimization left to do but the archetypes are pretty much settled and you can already see a wide variety of core cards that won't go anywhere.
Cubelock is an awesome and cool deck undeniably, but it is also kinda boring to play against. Sweet deck though!
I dusted almost my entire collection to make cubelock.
If they nerf it im quitting.
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I'm a little concerned about Big Priest. I actually don't think people are playing the best version of that yet. The removal package can do with a lot of tinkering. When the meta settles, the removal package will settle...and that is worrisome to me.
Other than that, it appears (for now) that we have a triangle meta shaping up. Priest beats warlock. Warlock beats tempo/aggro. Tempo aggro beats Priest. Obviously ,it's not so simplified, but it's in that ballpark.
There's probably space for Druid and Mage here in the top ranks.
Warrior and Hunter are below that.
Shaman is in a really ugly spot.
i am unsure abot satellite priest....it is a relatively new deck and there is still a lot of refining to do, but the first results are outstanding. So we might even see it go for t1 or fall flat....but priest with 3 decks in t1 meta would be crazy...so there might be hope for every class that struggles and has a real f'ed up basic/classic kit
I like the meta for one reason and one reason alone:
MILL ROGUE IS BACK BABY!!!
Seriously, my favourite deck is like tier 3 for the first time ever in standard. And who does not enjoy whupping cubelock by healing all the damage they do each turn with a 15 damage lifesteal weapon, while they take fatigue damage each turn. Either way, I think this meta is a little better than the last because I am seeing a wide variety of speeds of decks, with aggro, tempo, a little midrange, and various control and combo decks of a few sorts. I feel like this meta is more diverse than every deck being tempo or razakus. I know that is slightly inaccurate, but that is how it felt. And as I mentioned, mill rogue is not completely terrible, and that is a remarkable and beautiful experience for me.
Just fill your deck with one drops, that is creative deck design, right?
Cubelock isn't actually that good. You'll get the combo before Razakus kills you 1 out of 10 times at best and silence/sap/vanish/weapon removal ends it. I mean, yes, it's a good deck.. but it's not too of the meta good.
Razakus and Tempo Rogue seem like the best 2 decks by a wide margin, especially if they tech slightly to counter Warlock.
Way to go on really shaking up the meta, Blizz.
Just fill your deck with one drops, that is creative deck design, right?
I think aggro pally is the best deck right now by a good margin it just has everything it could use. Tech in a silence and cubelock is pretty screwed since they rely on deathrattles and taunts to save them. Most other decks need crazy blow out starts (Mana Wyrm into The Coin Kabal Lackey into Explosive Runes) and/or perfect curves and top decks to keep up with it. Corridor Creeper has won me so many games by playing it on turn 3-4 with little tempo loss. I think its the big bad wolf of this meta like tempo rogue was but even more so since it can blow you out quicker and pretty much goes through its entire deck every match beyond turn 7. (So happy as a Paladin main to be seeing pally be good every expansion)
Last season i dusted prince keleseth because i never thought it would be a viable card only to craft it again next month because it was an MVP, i told myself i wouldnt do it again next expansion. This time round i opened skull of the manari and waited about 3 days to dust it because theres no way a deck would crop up with that trash weapon. It's only gone and happened again, NEXT expansion im keeping all of my legendaries
I like cubelock and Voidlock style decks for Warlock. Not a fan of discard version of zoo. I like the old zoo where your not throwing away cards. Anyways. TIRED of seeing spell hunter and Tempo Mage. THOSE two decks make up at least 39% of the meta for me over the last week of games I've tracked on my phone (games I play at work during lunch and breaks so don't have deck tracker).
dusted my collection to make aggro pally..fastest rank 5 of my life.
i had zoo warlock and a buget tempo rogue.
at first i thought this was a huge mistake but after seeing how well does the paladin do im ok with it
Meta is garbage. Just play priest and you get free wins 60% of the time. Doesnt matter if its Raza, dragon or big priest. It has never been easier reaching legend than now, when things are so broken.