yes and no. its impossible to stop but we rely on it as a crutch entirely too much and it takes the originality out of the game simply because not EVERYONE has the brain to make the decks that end up being meta.
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Do you know the game magazines? If you know, they have single games' entire walkthroughs about how you finish the game. The netdecking I mentioned is truly that. You can finish a game by reading a walkthrough and learn everything about game from those magazines but trtuh is that you would not finish that game. You just followed the magazine and it finished the game. You're right about me that I saw a netdeck. Because I must know everything about what I don't like, mustn't I ? I had to see some because all of the community were speaking about it and I've just wondered what they are and what I saw was pitifulness. There was a guide about how you "drive" your deck. It is just nonsense. If you don't know how you play a deck, just stop playing and go try some other games please.
Also, yep I've created some guides also, because I wanted to show other people that there are different good cards, some other options etc.
You pity those who follow guides in attempts to learn something, yet you make guides yourself in order to share some of your own knowledge. What a double standard!
You are taking the easy way out and this is the humanity's general problem nowadays.
Also netdecking's problem is also all web's problem. If you can't handle something in real life, you get some help, ok but this help does not transforms you. For example, If you can't repeair sink, there is two options; either trying to learn repairing it yourself or call a repairman. What netdecking is trying to be a repairman in this example. If you can't build a deck yourself, Why are you still playing this game ? If you can't catch a single fish, why are you still fishing ?
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Edit: I wanted to add this because it would harsh me if i did not add it. You might be like painting but painting the Mona Lisa does not make you Leonardo Da Vinci and it does not prove that you are a good artist because it is already created by Leonardo, So people feels they are great players while hitting legend with a net-deck but they are only reflections of the person who created that deck. Also they are puppets. They don't have their own decisions. They mimic their role model. Just doing what community does like a sheep in a sheep herd. They don't know what it feels when their own deck is succesful. It is a tragedy.
A real world analogy to net decking is how we go to school to learn instead of just going at it trial and failure style. If you want to reinvent the wheel, go for it. You might learn something most people don't. Critizising everyone who are using the tried and true seems petty though. Not everyone has to be an inventor. Not everyone tries to be Leonardo Da Vinci either, but trying to replicate a masterpiece could give you insights that are not as apparent on the surface. Not to 'be' Leonardo, but to learn!
You are taking the easy way out and this is the humanity's general problem nowadays.
Yeah, blame your problems on everyone else. It's humanity's fault that you don't find your enjoyment.
Here's another one of 'humanitiy's general problems nowadays': Complaining about anything and everything.
Now this is just my point of view. People can have a variety of valid reasons to net deck. If you don't have to, good for you. I don't understand why you have to critizise everyone who does though.
There is only one answer for that because netdecking is killing the variety of decks and forces me to play against always same decks. It brings monotonous moments to the game. Seeing always same crap bores me. You can't stand against this.
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The only reason that i'm disapproving netdecking is monotony, otherwise I'm not interested in the wins which a newbie player achieved with a net-deck. What annoys me is Someone's enjoyement stops my enjoyement but my enjoyment does not bother anyone. So there is some kind of injustice i guess.
Nobody's forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to compete on the ladder, you have the option of playing with whatever unique deck you want against a likeminded friend. You claim you play for fun; then those measly 10 gold per 3 victories or a star on the e-peen meter cannot be that important that you have to stick to ladder.
"What annoys me is Someone's enjoyement stops my enjoyement but my enjoyment does not bother anyone. So there is some kind of injustice i guess." How would it be any more just for your opponents to have to cater to your fun by playing your special snowflakestone?
The only one that can help you with achieving your fun is yourself. Take some responsibility! If you see too many of the same decks, you probably played too much Hearthstone. Try another game, or make some friends and play some friendly matches. Do something constructive about it, instead of going on the forum shouting at the world to change so you don't have to. It is just not going to happen.
Calm down champion ! Who said that I'm shouting at world to change ? I've just shared my opinions like all people.
I took the responsibility already and I'm trying to enjoy the game as it is.
Also I suggest you to check my later comments. We are saying the same thing. There is an ambiguity. Some of us mentioning netdecking different from others. What I call netdecking is only copying and using the guide like how to do a model airplane. I'm criticising it. You got it netdecking like "checking decks on web and trying to learn how to build a deck" which is different from mine. So people here discussing different situations and they think they are discussing same thing. It brings fights and shouts like you do.
to get the double standard, it is not a double standard at all. My guides are not like as you know. I'm just showing different things which exists in game already. I'm not forcing people like "legend play %85 winrate" it is different.
to get blaming my problems on everyone else, I have no problems. People has. It is more like an observation instead of complaining. I'm only complaining about deck diversity here and I've sorted them already.
- Netdecking forced by blizzard's lack of engineering about cards which is truly not lack of engineering but strategy of earning money - People's taking the easy way out (like fastfoods) (it is an observation not a complain, they are free to choose what they want, the reason above is more important than this)
You got all of my sentences like complains but I'm repeating; They are observations!
I called it "problems of nowadays" yes and it is not a complain! Look around! Same hairstyles, same hobbies, same speeches etc. There are nothing unique, genuine, original. Everyone is same. Everyone likes same things hate same things. I'm playing a lot of games, every online game has same problem; everyone is doing same thing like real world. Players even use term of games like "gg, wp" unknowingly just because it is using by community. It sounds like normal to do same things like "if everyone does, it is correct thing" but it isn't. People are automatized. Doing something unknowingly. Just realise that.
I really don't understand why people can't understand before I give an account of stuff which I wrote. ( and This is a complain! )
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players. ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
For a large majority of the playerbase, Hearthstone was their first card game ever. This is, in my opinion, completely normal because playing physical card games is a hobby which requires a solid amount of money (depending on the game and the format) and not everyone is keen on spending money on cards. The amount of f2p players backs up this claim. They refuse to spend money on a digital card game, let alone a physical one. As a former professional card game player and someone who has played almost every card game ever on a competitive level, I feel more than qualified to tell you that this is completely normal. People want to compete and to win so they are using the most optimized decks in the game. It is not ”you are a noob who can only win with a netdeck” but it is more of a ”I play to win, I play to compete on a higher level, why in the world would I cripple myself with a non optimized deck?”. It is common sense, I’m sure that you can see it. Luckily, there are budget competitive decks, there always are, so now even f2p players can build a deck with which they can compete.
It is clear that those of you who are complaining about netdecking have never played a card game in a competitive environment in their lives, otherwise you would have known that this is something that is normal and has been around forever and ever.
I love how other people need to tell me what is fun for me.
By the way, in art school we studied the classics, recreated them to learn from them. Someone mentioned the Mona Lisa. Let's see who was influenced by Di Venci: Rubens and Correggio to name a few. They studied his work and copied from it to find their own style. Di Vinci studied under Verrocchio.
Yep I mentioned that. I know those, I've just tried to point a different thing. Why is people pretending like they did not understand !?
There is nothing wrong to learn from a master, it is wrong to just copy and most people doing that. people who learns from netdecking is lesser in community as many as netdecking complainers like me.
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Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players. ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
I think the real problem is casual mode is essentially the same as ranked mode. If there was a place where people with more creative (i.e. bad) decks could be isolated and only play against other bad decks, there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints. At the moment though it's just used as practice grounds for people getting used to their ranked mode deck.
Unfortunately there's no way to stop it without a drastic change that would probably anger more people than it makes happy. It's not as simple as just banning a handful of cards from casual decks. I guess they could try and get the point across by making two unranked modes: practice and casual with an explanation of which each is for, but there's no way to force people to join the right one and the practice one would probably largely be ignored in favor of trolling+stomping on noobs in their safe space.
Well using casual for practicing deckbuilding non-meta decks is fine. But what you are asking is to be specificaly matched with non-meta decks, and that's impossible.
Well it's not impossible actually. Let's say they invented a "non-meta" game mode. They could easily make an algorithm that prevents decks with more than say 90% similarity to meta decks (which the people at blizzard ofcourse have stats on) to be able to participate in that game mode.
Well it's not impossible actually. Let's say they invented a "non-meta" game mode. They could easily make an algorithm that prevents decks with more than say 90% similarity to meta decks (which the people at blizzard ofcourse have stats on) to be able to participate in that game mode.
Now before You start with how wrong i am, i would like to make my argument and explain to you what netdecking in Cards like hearthstone and other Cards do to either player bases or the meta itself and how it makes Points of view very bias
Let me define what netdecking is before we start. Netdecking is the act of if someone sees a deck on reddit or a deck they see that wins a tournament will copy and paste it card for card based off of what they saw. Now the main motives of doing this is sometimes humans see something that gets good results for someone and they feel like they would want to have that same success, other wise known as "the bandwagon effect". The other motive is probably the fact that some people will admit they dont have the brains to make their own deck ideas and they just feel like they want to make something that will give them a good experience, kinda like the first point i made.
Now, why is netdecking a problem? The problem i see with netdecking nowadays is that players who play what is viewed as "the best deck" often have their points of views in a way where its bias towards the current tier 1 or 2 decks. This brings me to the point of where people tend to have a more jaded point of view when it comes to seeing new ideas or ways to play differently on other decks.
The other thing that gets effected by netdecking is card reviews. right now we are in a time where we will be getting over 100 cards in the meta starting in a few weeks, granted not all the cards will be good enough to be good and thats to be expected. however the problem is the players who play nothing but netdecks or meta decks have their points of view skewed in one direction of if it doesnt counter deck XYZ or build upon Deck XYZ, then its not worth trying. There has been so many sets where ive see this happen its to the point where you can tell where the lack of creative thought is happening because changes are that player only plays decks that they think is an established point of view.
I know this will not be a popular point of View to have considering im sure most of you will say there is nothing wrong with what i mentioned, and to that i would argue that you are either part of the base i was mentioning or you just dont know it. Is there something wrong with trying something based off how cool it looks to play? No, in fact i think it helps to learn what works and what doesnt. there have been a few decklists ive seen that i tried and found were interesting. The point i am making is there is a form of Tribalism in gaming where its weird to try things out for the fact of having fun.
maybe im wrong? maybe its just something to accept and its just the fact i need to "jump on the bandwagon" let me know your thoughts. one last thing, if youre gonna Comment with " people tend to netdeck cause they want to play whats good" 1, thats subjective, 2. you just proved my point.
The problem with this post overall is that you are effectively attempting to squeeze everyone who does thing "X" into box "Y", and "if you don't agree with me, you're just proving you are in box Y". Which doesn't work. You are trying to stifle any discussion contrary to your own points by segregating detractors into narrow margins of your own design. It simply doesn't work that way (and is the sort of style of argument yuo see in social-politics these days with certain negative words thrown around without regard, etc).
People who like to netdeck do not just fall into one of your two categories. You missed out (not exclusively): - People who see a deck that looks fun online and want to try it out - People who want to find a good counter to a current oppressive meta deck - People who love meme decks and will try them even with a 20% winrate - People who want to improve their own deck but are looking for ideas of cards they've not considered. - People who just want a quick way to reach legend - People who want a good deck that will help them complete a quest in the quickest time possible - People who simply like to bathe in the salty tears of netdeck haters
The list goeth on....
The point being that there are likely just as many different reasons that some people dislike netdeckers - be it good or bad reasons (selfishness, poor losers, diversity to the meta, more fun for them, etc) - which is why this whole issue is (and always will be) incredibly complex and more than just a set of binary options.
I agree with Scorpyon about this. Yet again, the main reason I believe in the reason for this is because of the person's financial status. I mean, look at Kripp. He's been playing Hearthstone for more than a year, maybe even longer. Look how far he has gone with streaming the game. He's earned money off of this game. Not all of us are like him financially. Yes, you can spend hundreds of dollars, pounds, etc on this game, but even if you do that, like what happened to me, your not gonna get all the cards in the expansion. Even if you do buy packs, you might be entitled AND/OR forced to netdeck, which I don't have a problem with. The problem I have is that even with most to all of the cards in the expansion, people still netdeck. Yet again, they make a few changes and post on reddit their deck, which then spreads around the community.
Netdecking isn't that much of an issue for me as it helps the community grow, as people said. But the abuse of it is far too high statistically, no matter how you are financially. Power to the netdeckers if they think it's fun to use netdecked decklists, but I feel like if they want to get better at the game, they need to use imagination, a tool you learned at a very early age.
Well it's not impossible actually. Let's say they invented a "non-meta" game mode. They could easily make an algorithm that prevents decks with more than say 90% similarity to meta decks (which the people at blizzard ofcourse have stats on) to be able to participate in that game mode.
So it is basically a trash deck mode?
I guess you could say that. But at least it's a game mode where you get to see if you can creata a trash deck that's better/worse than other trash decks. No one would force you to play that game mode if you instead would like to play ranked.
Well it's not impossible actually. Let's say they invented a "non-meta" game mode. They could easily make an algorithm that prevents decks with more than say 90% similarity to meta decks (which the people at blizzard ofcourse have stats on) to be able to participate in that game mode.
So it is basically a trash deck mode?
I guess you could say that. But at least it's a game mode where you get to see if you can creata a trash deck that's better/worse than other trash decks. No one would force you to play that game mode if you instead would like to play ranked.
Simply wouldn't work. How would you stop people playing a deck that is already in the meta, that they have swapped out a few cards to make it playable? It's inherently abusable and extremely insecure as a system - and Blizzard would have to devote huge amounts of Dev manpower into a system that is obsolete at every turn.
Alot of players can't have fun if they're not winning - which is a shame. you don't have to net deck to have a fun with this game
sure looking at other decks is worthwhile but I can't stand those players who emulate every card verbatim with the only goal of climbing, those players are typically having less fun
Well it's not impossible actually. Let's say they invented a "non-meta" game mode. They could easily make an algorithm that prevents decks with more than say 90% similarity to meta decks (which the people at blizzard ofcourse have stats on) to be able to participate in that game mode.
So it is basically a trash deck mode?
I guess you could say that. But at least it's a game mode where you get to see if you can creata a trash deck that's better/worse than other trash decks. No one would force you to play that game mode if you instead would like to play ranked.
Simply wouldn't work. How would you stop people playing a deck that is already in the meta, that they have swapped out a few cards to make it playable? It's inherently abusable and extremely insecure as a system - and Blizzard would have to devote huge amounts of Dev manpower into a system that is obsolete at every turn.
Well considering this format would lack the goal of climbing ranks, why would you play almost exactly the same deck? But sure you might be right.
Claiming any credit for anything you've achieved while netdecking does.
I don't agree with this. Just because you netdeck doesn't mean you know how to play the deck you copied. Some decks take skill, so if you can achieve legend with a deck that is almost impossible to navigate, you deserve credit.
Do you know the game magazines? If you know, they have single games' entire walkthroughs about how you finish the game. The netdecking I mentioned is truly that. You can finish a game by reading a walkthrough and learn everything about game from those magazines but trtuh is that you would not finish that game. You just followed the magazine and it finished the game. You're right about me that I saw a netdeck. Because I must know everything about what I don't like, mustn't I ? I had to see some because all of the community were speaking about it and I've just wondered what they are and what I saw was pitifulness. There was a guide about how you "drive" your deck. It is just nonsense. If you don't know how you play a deck, just stop playing and go try some other games please.
Also, yep I've created some guides also, because I wanted to show other people that there are different good cards, some other options etc.
You pity those who follow guides in attempts to learn something, yet you make guides yourself in order to share some of your own knowledge. What a double standard!
You are taking the easy way out and this is the humanity's general problem nowadays.
Also netdecking's problem is also all web's problem. If you can't handle something in real life, you get some help, ok but this help does not transforms you. For example, If you can't repeair sink, there is two options; either trying to learn repairing it yourself or call a repairman. What netdecking is trying to be a repairman in this example. If you can't build a deck yourself, Why are you still playing this game ? If you can't catch a single fish, why are you still fishing ?
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Edit: I wanted to add this because it would harsh me if i did not add it. You might be like painting but painting the Mona Lisa does not make you Leonardo Da Vinci and it does not prove that you are a good artist because it is already created by Leonardo, So people feels they are great players while hitting legend with a net-deck but they are only reflections of the person who created that deck. Also they are puppets. They don't have their own decisions. They mimic their role model. Just doing what community does like a sheep in a sheep herd. They don't know what it feels when their own deck is succesful. It is a tragedy.
A real world analogy to net decking is how we go to school to learn instead of just going at it trial and failure style. If you want to reinvent the wheel, go for it. You might learn something most people don't. Critizising everyone who are using the tried and true seems petty though. Not everyone has to be an inventor. Not everyone tries to be Leonardo Da Vinci either, but trying to replicate a masterpiece could give you insights that are not as apparent on the surface. Not to 'be' Leonardo, but to learn!
You are taking the easy way out and this is the humanity's general problem nowadays.
Yeah, blame your problems on everyone else. It's humanity's fault that you don't find your enjoyment.
Here's another one of 'humanitiy's general problems nowadays': Complaining about anything and everything.
Now this is just my point of view. People can have a variety of valid reasons to net deck. If you don't have to, good for you. I don't understand why you have to critizise everyone who does though.
There is only one answer for that because netdecking is killing the variety of decks and forces me to play against always same decks. It brings monotonous moments to the game. Seeing always same crap bores me. You can't stand against this.
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The only reason that i'm disapproving netdecking is monotony, otherwise I'm not interested in the wins which a newbie player achieved with a net-deck. What annoys me is Someone's enjoyement stops my enjoyement but my enjoyment does not bother anyone. So there is some kind of injustice i guess.
Nobody's forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to compete on the ladder, you have the option of playing with whatever unique deck you want against a likeminded friend. You claim you play for fun; then those measly 10 gold per 3 victories or a star on the e-peen meter cannot be that important that you have to stick to ladder.
"What annoys me is Someone's enjoyement stops my enjoyement but my enjoyment does not bother anyone. So there is some kind of injustice i guess." How would it be any more just for your opponents to have to cater to your fun by playing your special snowflakestone?
The only one that can help you with achieving your fun is yourself. Take some responsibility! If you see too many of the same decks, you probably played too much Hearthstone. Try another game, or make some friends and play some friendly matches. Do something constructive about it, instead of going on the forum shouting at the world to change so you don't have to. It is just not going to happen.
Calm down champion ! Who said that I'm shouting at world to change ? I've just shared my opinions like all people.
I took the responsibility already and I'm trying to enjoy the game as it is.
Also I suggest you to check my later comments. We are saying the same thing. There is an ambiguity. Some of us mentioning netdecking different from others. What I call netdecking is only copying and using the guide like how to do a model airplane. I'm criticising it. You got it netdecking like "checking decks on web and trying to learn how to build a deck" which is different from mine. So people here discussing different situations and they think they are discussing same thing. It brings fights and shouts like you do.
to get the double standard, it is not a double standard at all. My guides are not like as you know. I'm just showing different things which exists in game already. I'm not forcing people like "legend play %85 winrate" it is different.
to get blaming my problems on everyone else, I have no problems. People has. It is more like an observation instead of complaining. I'm only complaining about deck diversity here and I've sorted them already.
- Netdecking forced by blizzard's lack of engineering about cards which is truly not lack of engineering but strategy of earning money - People's taking the easy way out (like fastfoods) (it is an observation not a complain, they are free to choose what they want, the reason above is more important than this)
You got all of my sentences like complains but I'm repeating; They are observations!
I called it "problems of nowadays" yes and it is not a complain! Look around! Same hairstyles, same hobbies, same speeches etc. There are nothing unique, genuine, original. Everyone is same. Everyone likes same things hate same things. I'm playing a lot of games, every online game has same problem; everyone is doing same thing like real world. Players even use term of games like "gg, wp" unknowingly just because it is using by community. It sounds like normal to do same things like "if everyone does, it is correct thing" but it isn't. People are automatized. Doing something unknowingly. Just realise that.
I really don't understand why people can't understand before I give an account of stuff which I wrote. ( and This is a complain! )
Firstly, we're not going to fully understand each other. That is a given. I do try my best though, and I am assuming you do as well. We're limited to using language to try to get our points across after all.
I see I misunderstood some of what you said, for that I apologize. It was just how I read you.
Still, you keep talking about how people are usually going for the easy way, which is true. I believe it might hold for the "I hate net decking" crowd as well. There are options for this crowd, but it is not on the ladder. One could make homebrew groups, and play friendly games together. It does not have to be limited to only real life friends. Just on this site, there seem to be an abundance of likeminded individuals who wants a more chill game where you can play whatever.
Problem is, like you said, most people want to go for the easy way. If you are one of those who don't always go for the easy way, you could take advantage of that. Do the hard thing and create a community. Make it easy to play homebrew decks for those who don't have the time and commitment to make the infrastructure. Just take a look at the tournament scene. They make their own tools and play the way they want, regardless of what happens on the ladder. Not everyone wants this extra work. Some people do it though, and it paves the way for others to play in a certain way that they enjoy.
If you're a strong believer in non-netdecking, actually do something about it. If you don't want this extra work, I guess you also want it easy.
If you're just an observer though, then this is not directed at you; but instead at anyone else who might be reading this who wants to play in a different world; without the ladder and the net decking that inevitably comes with it.
You know what's worse than netdecking? These threads. We literally have another thread just like this, several pages long, on this page. Your opinion on netdecking is not so original that we need yet another topic on it.
People want to play the best decks, that's all there is to it, if you don't like netdecking play a non-competitive game.
You know what's worse than netdecking? These threads. We literally have another thread just like this, several pages long, on this page. Your opinion on netdecking is not so original that we need yet another topic on it.
People want to play the best decks, that's all there is to it, if you don't like netdecking play a non-competitive game.
No its not. You are allowed to play any game any way you like. If you like net decking go for it. if you want to only play experimental decks go for it. As long as you have fun playing the game thats all that matters.
Added I think you NEED to net deck the best decks in order to understand how they work. You cant just home brew and hope to beat the most optomised decks in the game. Get to know your enemy by playing a 100 games with that deck. Use that experience to make a homebrew to beat it.
Net decks are also extremely attractive choices because you have literally thousands of players playing those decks and tweaking and figuring out new things with them every day.
I don't get it. People that net deck make it easier for the really creative deck builders to play test. How else is a creative deck builder going to validate his/her designs than by playing against the acknowledged best decks out there and against people that don't know what he/she is trying to accomplish with the new design? It's awfully nice of so many people to line up with just those decks for you to play test against.
OP, you are 100% right. Reynad should be the only person in the entire WORLD allowed to play Zoo, the rest are just stupid sheep lacking any skills in deck creating. And don't even get me started on playing decks my friends made, copying any idea is an absolute heresy.
And how dare the reviewers consider decks 70% of players are using?! How biased. I'll rather play Grinder Mage without Skulking Gheist against all the Jade Druids because I'm smart and don't copy decks.
Also, you're not allowed to play ANY jade cards in druid because eventually after enough experimentation you'll end up with the most popular list. And you don't want that.
Yeah, fuck the people that copied the idea of wheel when it was first discovered. Honestly, fuck people for using other people's ideas at all.
A better question is why do people think netdecking deserves criticism in the first place?
All these comments about building a healthy community with a bunch of varying deck types are silly. There are four deck types: Aggro, control, midrange, and combo. Everything is basically one of, or a merge of, those four types. Given that, along with the fact that card game design companies, like Blizzard, inherently create some cards to be better than others, there will always be a limitation on deck design.
Here's an example: A few months back I decided to homebrew a Warlock deck based around heavy removal and demon buffing (and if you say it's already been done, well, my point exactly) - I made it, played it, it did ok, but nothing great. Over the next few days I start to see similar decks pop up, and I go online and see it's the latest thing for Warlocks that people are trying. The optimal decks were better than what I put together with my limited card pool, but the gist of the deck was the same. Now, did I netdeck? No. Was my idea already out there, and in a better fashion? Yes.
The point is, whatever you homebrew, odds are it's been done, and probably done better, by people who are really good at deck building. If it's not out there, then the odds are it's a terrible idea. If your homebrew gets roflstomped by a netdeck, then odds are your homebrew just isn't very good. Face facts.
As a father of two who works full time and enjoys doing things other than HS, I simply don't have the time (or patience) to sit around and homebrew for hours to try to come up with something that might win a few games and allow me to complete my quests. I netdeck (often needing to sub out some cards) and happily do so. I am grateful to the community that helps develop decks that I can try and that saves me time.
Netdecking happens for many reasons. To call it bad, cancerous, etc. is just silly, and a sign of immaturity. To think that this glorious community would instantly happen if people stopped netdecking is just idiotic and wishful dreaming.
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yes and no. its impossible to stop but we rely on it as a crutch entirely too much and it takes the originality out of the game simply because not EVERYONE has the brain to make the decks that end up being meta.
Check out my decks & feel free to make suggestions!
I took the responsibility already and I'm trying to enjoy the game as it is.
Also I suggest you to check my later comments. We are saying the same thing. There is an ambiguity. Some of us mentioning netdecking different from others. What I call netdecking is only copying and using the guide like how to do a model airplane. I'm criticising it. You got it netdecking like "checking decks on web and trying to learn how to build a deck" which is different from mine. So people here discussing different situations and they think they are discussing same thing. It brings fights and shouts like you do.
to get the double standard, it is not a double standard at all. My guides are not like as you know. I'm just showing different things which exists in game already. I'm not forcing people like "legend play %85 winrate" it is different.
to get blaming my problems on everyone else, I have no problems. People has. It is more like an observation instead of complaining. I'm only complaining about deck diversity here and I've sorted them already.
- Netdecking forced by blizzard's lack of engineering about cards which is truly not lack of engineering but strategy of earning money
- People's taking the easy way out (like fastfoods) (it is an observation not a complain, they are free to choose what they want, the reason above is more important than this)
You got all of my sentences like complains but I'm repeating; They are observations!
I called it "problems of nowadays" yes and it is not a complain! Look around! Same hairstyles, same hobbies, same speeches etc. There are nothing unique, genuine, original. Everyone is same. Everyone likes same things hate same things. I'm playing a lot of games, every online game has same problem; everyone is doing same thing like real world. Players even use term of games like "gg, wp" unknowingly just because it is using by community. It sounds like normal to do same things like "if everyone does, it is correct thing" but it isn't. People are automatized. Doing something unknowingly. Just realise that.
I really don't understand why people can't understand before I give an account of stuff which I wrote. ( and This is a complain! )
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Imma just quote this article: https://hearthstoneplayers.com/mulligan-phase-f2p-problem/
For a large majority of the playerbase, Hearthstone was their first card game ever. This is, in my opinion, completely normal because playing physical card games is a hobby which requires a solid amount of money (depending on the game and the format) and not everyone is keen on spending money on cards. The amount of f2p players backs up this claim. They refuse to spend money on a digital card game, let alone a physical one. As a former professional card game player and someone who has played almost every card game ever on a competitive level, I feel more than qualified to tell you that this is completely normal. People want to compete and to win so they are using the most optimized decks in the game. It is not ”you are a noob who can only win with a netdeck” but it is more of a ”I play to win, I play to compete on a higher level, why in the world would I cripple myself with a non optimized deck?”. It is common sense, I’m sure that you can see it. Luckily, there are budget competitive decks, there always are, so now even f2p players can build a deck with which they can compete.
It is clear that those of you who are complaining about netdecking have never played a card game in a competitive environment in their lives, otherwise you would have known that this is something that is normal and has been around forever and ever.
There is nothing wrong to learn from a master, it is wrong to just copy and most people doing that. people who learns from netdecking is lesser in community as many as netdecking complainers like me.
Memedeck-seeker. Always tries to build new decks. Hates tournements, streamers, netdecks and poor-o players.
ah, but a tournement mode could be great !!!
Well it's not impossible actually. Let's say they invented a "non-meta" game mode. They could easily make an algorithm that prevents decks with more than say 90% similarity to meta decks (which the people at blizzard ofcourse have stats on) to be able to participate in that game mode.
How would you stop people playing a deck that is already in the meta, that they have swapped out a few cards to make it playable?
It's inherently abusable and extremely insecure as a system - and Blizzard would have to devote huge amounts of Dev manpower into a system that is obsolete at every turn.
Alot of players can't have fun if they're not winning - which is a shame. you don't have to net deck to have a fun with this game
sure looking at other decks is worthwhile but I can't stand those players who emulate every card verbatim with the only goal of climbing, those players are typically having less fun
No its not. You are allowed to play any game any way you like. If you like net decking go for it. if you want to only play experimental decks go for it. As long as you have fun playing the game thats all that matters.
Added I think you NEED to net deck the best decks in order to understand how they work. You cant just home brew and hope to beat the most optomised decks in the game. Get to know your enemy by playing a 100 games with that deck. Use that experience to make a homebrew to beat it.
Net decks are also extremely attractive choices because you have literally thousands of players playing those decks and tweaking and figuring out new things with them every day.
I don't get it. People that net deck make it easier for the really creative deck builders to play test. How else is a creative deck builder going to validate his/her designs than by playing against the acknowledged best decks out there and against people that don't know what he/she is trying to accomplish with the new design? It's awfully nice of so many people to line up with just those decks for you to play test against.
It's lemons, guys.
OP, you are 100% right. Reynad should be the only person in the entire WORLD allowed to play Zoo, the rest are just stupid sheep lacking any skills in deck creating. And don't even get me started on playing decks my friends made, copying any idea is an absolute heresy.
And how dare the reviewers consider decks 70% of players are using?! How biased. I'll rather play Grinder Mage without Skulking Gheist against all the Jade Druids because I'm smart and don't copy decks.
Also, you're not allowed to play ANY jade cards in druid because eventually after enough experimentation you'll end up with the most popular list. And you don't want that.
Yeah, fuck the people that copied the idea of wheel when it was first discovered. Honestly, fuck people for using other people's ideas at all.
A better question is why do people think netdecking deserves criticism in the first place?
All these comments about building a healthy community with a bunch of varying deck types are silly. There are four deck types: Aggro, control, midrange, and combo. Everything is basically one of, or a merge of, those four types. Given that, along with the fact that card game design companies, like Blizzard, inherently create some cards to be better than others, there will always be a limitation on deck design.
Here's an example: A few months back I decided to homebrew a Warlock deck based around heavy removal and demon buffing (and if you say it's already been done, well, my point exactly) - I made it, played it, it did ok, but nothing great. Over the next few days I start to see similar decks pop up, and I go online and see it's the latest thing for Warlocks that people are trying. The optimal decks were better than what I put together with my limited card pool, but the gist of the deck was the same. Now, did I netdeck? No. Was my idea already out there, and in a better fashion? Yes.
The point is, whatever you homebrew, odds are it's been done, and probably done better, by people who are really good at deck building. If it's not out there, then the odds are it's a terrible idea. If your homebrew gets roflstomped by a netdeck, then odds are your homebrew just isn't very good. Face facts.
As a father of two who works full time and enjoys doing things other than HS, I simply don't have the time (or patience) to sit around and homebrew for hours to try to come up with something that might win a few games and allow me to complete my quests. I netdeck (often needing to sub out some cards) and happily do so. I am grateful to the community that helps develop decks that I can try and that saves me time.
Netdecking happens for many reasons. To call it bad, cancerous, etc. is just silly, and a sign of immaturity. To think that this glorious community would instantly happen if people stopped netdecking is just idiotic and wishful dreaming.