I reached legend this month with a homebrew mage deck, facing the usual ladder issue. From rank 17 to legend, not once did I encounter a deck that wasnt taken directly from the meta snapshots of Tempostorm/Vicious Syndicate, from an active streamer or from the frontpage of this site. Not one single time. Amazing. We are talking more than a hundred games here, not a single original deck. Didnt even experience variations or innovation, at least not from what was played/drawn.
So, upon reaching legend I decided to try out a netdeck as an experiment. More than half of my opponents were playing tempo rogue or some off-shoot of it, (Zoo lock etc), so that was my pick. Totally copied from this site, i used the rogue saronite list which I had encountered most often.
27 games later, I simply couldnt stomach it anymore. My end result was 22 wins and 5 losses. 4 losses in the mirror, 1 loss to a Raza priest. Thats a 81% winrate right there. Thats on legend rank, without any practice beforehand, other than the knowledge I picked up during my climb. I dont even play rogue that often, so I wouldnt consider myself a great rogue player or anything.
The issue was, it was SO easy. It was practically a joke. I never lost a game where I had Keleseth on my starting hand, or if I was able to curve out. I see a lot of players around the forums defending these kind of decks, making comparisons to more broken decks like the old undertaker hunter etc. Cmon guys. Is this seriously what you want the game to be? I mean, there was practically no analytical thought process required for playing this, other than thinking about what options your opponents had on the curve, each turn. If they stumbled, you were almost guaranteed a win if you had the curve play.
Mind you, this is not a salt thread. Im not upset, Im merely baffled. Do people really find enjoyment in getting handed practically free wins? and if so, why? Theres no point in going for high legend ranks anyway, unless youre a streamer who has to make a living of the game. I mean, if you want to compete you have to dedicate tons of hours to even be qualified for the tourneys, unless youre a god tier player. And then, how can you even call yourself a competitive player when the deck practically plays itself? Isnt competitive play supposed to be difficult, making tough decisions etc? The thing is, its so much more satisfying reaching rank 5 or higher with an odd deck, or your own creation. Its like eating a restaurant steak compared to a Mcdonalds cheeseburger. But I guess some people would pick the cheeseburger hehe.
In case youre wondering why I went for legend, I didnt really set out to. Theres really no point. I just enjoyed my deck and got to rank 2 on a streak, then for the hell of it finished the climb. But why not challenge yourself? Youll learn stuff, youll become better. In the end that is important if you truly want to shoot for the stars. Just think about it. Meanwhile, Ill be over here brewing my next weird concoction.
That wasnt my point. Its that some decks are practically autoplay, and people still enjoy playing it? Thats what I find fascinating. Doesnt really make for great gameplay, does it? Or am I missing something here?
That wasnt my point. Its that some decks are practically autoplay, and people still enjoy playing it? Thats what I find fascinating. Doesnt really make for great gameplay, does it? Or am I missing something here?
Play literally any physical or digital card game, metas form and "best decks" are inevitable. The easiest way to play competitively is to play a deck that is known good. The higher you go in ranking, the more and more net decks you'll see, and that's just how these types of games work. And yes, people *do* enjoy playing netdecks, I do, and I also enjoy analyzing the meta and watching decks grow and phase in and out and seeing how decks react to other decks entering the meta, it's half the reason I enjoy this game.
Either you are lying or extremely lucky. No one can consistently win that much at legend. You have no point except you are either a liar or you just got extremely lucky which wont happen often.
Let's pretend you are right. Then keep playing hearthstone and within a few months you will be winning all the tournaments and make a decent living just playing a card game.
That wasnt my point. Its that some decks are practically autoplay, and people still enjoy playing it? Thats what I find fascinating. Doesnt really make for great gameplay, does it? Or am I missing something here?
Play literally any physical or digital card game, metas form and "best decks" are inevitable. The easiest way to play competitively is to play a deck that is known good. The higher you go in ranking, the more and more net decks you'll see, and that's just how these types of games work. And yes, people *do* enjoy playing netdecks, I do, and I also enjoy analyzing the meta and watching decks grow and phase in and out and seeing how decks react to other decks entering the meta, it's half the reason I enjoy this game.
Oh, this is actually not a critique of netdecking per say. I too netdeck from time to time, but then its odd stuff where people have tried building around a "bad" legendary like Putricide or something. Usually happens if I pull said legendary from a pack or something.
Yeah meta decks are good. That's kind of why they are meta decks.
Why do people enjoy winning? Probably because it is the point of the game.
I enjoy making homebrew decks too (just finished playing with my wild quest hunter), but I don't get why some people treat aggro vs control or homebrew vs netdeck as some great battle of morality.
Play whatever ramp card you have. Summon larger and larger men. Ultimate balance. "hmm, well played"
Raza priest - "Hmm let me take a look at one of the 7 different answers I have to your minion. Potion of madness.. no no maybe shadow wor.. no that's not right oh well let me see what else I have in the deck -> Shadow Visions"
Or the recently deceased pirate warrior which I'm sure I don't need to remind you about.
Are these fun to play? Not in my opinion. But they win a lot, and people prefer winning over fun.
And if anyone thinks the statement I wrote in bold letters is wrong, do you remember the ladder before the innervate and spreading plague nerfs?
And yet, amidst all the bragging, I can see what you mean.
I use two decks, of known archetype. Evolve Shaman is pretty much every netdeck. I do have some personal picks aside from netdecks, but that's that. And I use a C'thun deck, that does have netdeck as well, although mine is pretty different in card composition.
In GvG, I used my Demonlock, in a time I didn't check decks in the internet. The deck was pretty much my own, quite different from the demonlocks I found later in the ladder. I'm more of an average player, so I was shocked when I climbed to rank 9 in a single afternoon. It was a time I spent money on packs and could craft my own decks before the meta stabilized, and I never repeated that practice. It taught me a lesson.
Rogue decks are fun and efficient. Not the Rogue class decks, I mean rogue decks, in the sense they are not netdecks. Fun because deckbuilding can be very rewarding. Efficient because players have answers to meta decks, but not your homebrew, one in a million deck. And yeah, winning matches with your own deck is one of the best experiences in Hearthstone.
Either you are lying or extremely lucky. No one can consistently win that much at legend. You have no point except you are either a liar or you just got extremely lucky which wont happen often.
Let's pretend you are right. Then keep playing hearthstone and within a few months you will be winning all the tournaments and make a decent living just playing a card game.
Well, theres no point in lying really. The games I had were at the low legend ranks at the time, started out at 3.7k. At another time, its true I might draw/mulligan worse starting hands, but I seriously doubt my winrate would have been negative with this deck anyway. And I have no ambition of tourneys. Like I said theres no point in going for it. To get there would take an insane amount of time, if I was even good enough. And for what else? for fame? Sorry, that boat has already sailed. The biggest streamers have already taken their piece of the pie, not much room for new people. Not that being famous interests me anyway, ill leave that to the established players.
This is how I feel. I don't climb that much each season, I barely do enough to get to Rank 20, because the autoplay of Highlander Priest and Keleseth Rogue aren't worth wasting my time on. I know that it can be difficult to achieve a healthy, balanced, and diverse meta, but when things get out of hand, it shouldn't be extremely difficult to do something about to make it a little better at the very least.
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Play whatever ramp card you have. Summon larger and larger men. Ultimate balance. "hmm, well played"
Raza priest - "Hmm let me take a look at one of the 7 different answers I have to your minion. Potion of madness.. no no maybe shadow wor.. no that's not right oh well let me see what else I have in the deck -> Shadow Visions"
Or the recently deceased pirate warrior which I'm sure I don't need to remind you about.
Are these fun to play? Not in my opinion. But they win a lot, and people prefer winning over fun.
And if anyone thinks the statement I wrote in bold letters is wrong, do you remember the ladder before the innervate and spreading plague nerfs?
I think the "winning over fun" part is what I dont understand. I mean, by that logic wouldnt those players be miserable when they lose, meaning much of their play experience would be stressful rather than enjoyable? I dont think I would play such a game myself hehe :)
And yet, amidst all the bragging, I can see what you mean.
I use two decks, of known archetype. Evolve Shaman is pretty much every netdeck. I do have some personal picks aside from netdecks, but that's that. And I use a C'thun deck, that does have netdeck as well, although mine is pretty different in card composition.
In GvG, I used my Demonlock, in a time I didn't check decks in the internet. The deck was pretty much my own, quite different from the demonlocks I found later in the ladder. I'm more of an average player, so I was shocked when I climbed to rank 9 in a single afternoon. It was a time I spent money on packs and could craft my own decks before the meta stabilized, and I never repeated that practice. It taught me a lesson.
Rogue decks are fun and efficient. Not the Rogue class decks, I mean rogue decks, in the sense they are not netdecks. Fun because deckbuilding can be very rewarding. Efficient because players have answers to meta decks, but not your homebrew, one in a million deck. And yeah, winning matches with your own deck is one of the best experiences in Hearthstone.
Sorry, really didnt mean to brag. I did have a good run this season, so hard to make me come across differently when typing it out, (english is not my native language). Trust me, Im not better than the average player I face, and would undoubtedly get demolished at higher legend ranks I guess. The point was merely that it litteraly took no effort to pilot the rogue deck, my homebrew was a different story entirely. That was a proces of ranking/deranking a lot before finally getting above the rank 5 mark.
Mate this is exact same i think when i am lplaying wild. i find no interest playing all those brainless decks neither find them interesting.
I guess ppl just want to get ego buff or something for hitting legend with decks that are literally brainless. its like getting drivers license and letting someone else drive your car for you.
Maybe the wild format is for me then. Ill consider it for next season :)
I reached legend this month with a homebrew mage deck, facing the usual ladder issue. From rank 17 to legend, not once did I encounter a deck that wasnt taken directly from the meta snapshots of Tempostorm/Vicious Syndicate, from an active streamer or from the frontpage of this site. Not one single time. Amazing. We are talking more than a hundred games here, not a single original deck. Didnt even experience variations or innovation, at least not from what was played/drawn.
So, upon reaching legend I decided to try out a netdeck as an experiment. More than half of my opponents were playing tempo rogue or some off-shoot of it, (Zoo lock etc), so that was my pick. Totally copied from this site, i used the rogue saronite list which I had encountered most often.
27 games later, I simply couldnt stomach it anymore. My end result was 22 wins and 5 losses. 4 losses in the mirror, 1 loss to a Raza priest. Thats a 81% winrate right there. Thats on legend rank, without any practice beforehand, other than the knowledge I picked up during my climb. I dont even play rogue that often, so I wouldnt consider myself a great rogue player or anything.
The issue was, it was SO easy. It was practically a joke. I never lost a game where I had Keleseth on my starting hand, or if I was able to curve out. I see a lot of players around the forums defending these kind of decks, making comparisons to more broken decks like the old undertaker hunter etc. Cmon guys. Is this seriously what you want the game to be? I mean, there was practically no analytical thought process required for playing this, other than thinking about what options your opponents had on the curve, each turn. If they stumbled, you were almost guaranteed a win if you had the curve play.
Mind you, this is not a salt thread. Im not upset, Im merely baffled. Do people really find enjoyment in getting handed practically free wins? and if so, why? Theres no point in going for high legend ranks anyway, unless youre a streamer who has to make a living of the game. I mean, if you want to compete you have to dedicate tons of hours to even be qualified for the tourneys, unless youre a god tier player. And then, how can you even call yourself a competitive player when the deck practically plays itself? Isnt competitive play supposed to be difficult, making tough decisions etc? The thing is, its so much more satisfying reaching rank 5 or higher with an odd deck, or your own creation. Its like eating a restaurant steak compared to a Mcdonalds cheeseburger. But I guess some people would pick the cheeseburger hehe.
In case youre wondering why I went for legend, I didnt really set out to. Theres really no point. I just enjoyed my deck and got to rank 2 on a streak, then for the hell of it finished the climb. But why not challenge yourself? Youll learn stuff, youll become better. In the end that is important if you truly want to shoot for the stars. Just think about it. Meanwhile, Ill be over here brewing my next weird concoction.
Tl;dr some decks are stronger than other decks
TL;DR I'm trying to take Hearthstone seriously at a competitive level in 2017.
i mean, some people just like to win, and thats that. so for them, netdecking works, especially when the deck is absurdly strong
Either you are lying or extremely lucky. No one can consistently win that much at legend. You have no point except you are either a liar or you just got extremely lucky which wont happen often.
Let's pretend you are right. Then keep playing hearthstone and within a few months you will be winning all the tournaments and make a decent living just playing a card game.
Appologies. Double post.
Yeah meta decks are good. That's kind of why they are meta decks.
Why do people enjoy winning? Probably because it is the point of the game.
I enjoy making homebrew decks too (just finished playing with my wild quest hunter), but I don't get why some people treat aggro vs control or homebrew vs netdeck as some great battle of morality.
All broken decks appear to be brain-dead.
Tempo rogue as you described above
Play whatever ramp card you have. Summon larger and larger men. Ultimate balance. "hmm, well played"
Raza priest - "Hmm let me take a look at one of the 7 different answers I have to your minion. Potion of madness.. no no maybe shadow wor.. no that's not right oh well let me see what else I have in the deck -> Shadow Visions"
Or the recently deceased pirate warrior which I'm sure I don't need to remind you about.
Are these fun to play? Not in my opinion. But they win a lot, and people prefer winning over fun.
And if anyone thinks the statement I wrote in bold letters is wrong, do you remember the ladder before the innervate and spreading plague nerfs?
That's some bragging there.
And yet, amidst all the bragging, I can see what you mean.
I use two decks, of known archetype. Evolve Shaman is pretty much every netdeck. I do have some personal picks aside from netdecks, but that's that. And I use a C'thun deck, that does have netdeck as well, although mine is pretty different in card composition.
In GvG, I used my Demonlock, in a time I didn't check decks in the internet. The deck was pretty much my own, quite different from the demonlocks I found later in the ladder. I'm more of an average player, so I was shocked when I climbed to rank 9 in a single afternoon. It was a time I spent money on packs and could craft my own decks before the meta stabilized, and I never repeated that practice. It taught me a lesson.
Rogue decks are fun and efficient. Not the Rogue class decks, I mean rogue decks, in the sense they are not netdecks. Fun because deckbuilding can be very rewarding. Efficient because players have answers to meta decks, but not your homebrew, one in a million deck. And yeah, winning matches with your own deck is one of the best experiences in Hearthstone.
This is how I feel. I don't climb that much each season, I barely do enough to get to Rank 20, because the autoplay of Highlander Priest and Keleseth Rogue aren't worth wasting my time on. I know that it can be difficult to achieve a healthy, balanced, and diverse meta, but when things get out of hand, it shouldn't be extremely difficult to do something about to make it a little better at the very least.
If you need a Wild deck that is fun, competitive, high skill, and low RNG, check out my Highlander Malygos Deck!
That's HS for ya. If you want to get rewarded for difficult decisionmaking, HS isn't for you.
Fuck cubelock
Care to share your mage deck?
Well, thats why it is called cancer. Easy wins, easy ranks. Nothing speshial.
But the joy, that you feel, when achieving high ranks with non-meta deck (elemental shaman for example) is why not everyone is playing the same deck.
Be different, play normal, non-cancer decks. Be a real player.