Yeah I know, its kind of a rhetorical question and I have to decide for myself. But here are my thoughts.
Im playing the game since beta now and i really enjoyed it. Sure it lacked the depth of MTG which i played for years, but for what it had to offer it was a nice strategic game.
But since almost a year I hardly enjoy the game anymore. Often enough it felt dull to always see the same decks and the amount of rng effects just went crazy (its a bit better right now), but the fundamental flaws of the game just show more and more. Like the small starting hand that always will promote lowcurved aggrodecks and the lack of interaction with opponents plays. Also this game seems more and more to please the casual and fun player and not the ones that want a serious competitive game.
Besides those flaws, HS would still be a game Id enjoy from time to time, but what really burns me out it the need to grind daylies all the time to keep up with gold/packs. Its impossible to stop playing completely for a couple of weeks unless you want to spend money on the game or have limited deck choices after the next set release, which probably leads to even less fun, basically makes it unable to ever return.
So im thinking now, I might skip the next expansion completly and save my gold for the time I want to return.
I'm currently on Hearthstone hiatus, playing a bit of Eternal instead, since a) it's a lot more like Magic and b) the rewards are very generous. I'd suggest trying out another game during your break, and then deciding which you'd prefer to play.
Today in my free brawl pack I got Barongeddon, then I had a cup of fresh green tea. As a result of that, I think Priest is OP because my keyboard is not a mechanical one. I hope Blizzard will address this issue.
One of your points is something that I really hate about Hearthstone and other mobile game: you HAVE to do daily quests to earn stuff, is the only way for a F2P. i know the reason behind is that they want you to be active and adicted, playing the game almost every day, but it really sucks that you can't really decide when to earn things. Other games you can take a looong way to get good things, but at least you decide when you are going to do the work.
I dont care about the ladder too much, I just need a break from the horrible grind experience. The game forces me to play it regularly or Ill lose all my investment, So to me the least loss to quit seems now, with some amount of gold saved up for a future return.
Yeah I know, its kind of a rhetorical question and I have to decide for myself. But here are my thoughts.
Im playing the game since beta now and i really enjoyed it. Sure it lacked the depth of MTG which i played for years, but for what it had to offer it was a nice strategic game.
But since almost a year I hardly enjoy the game anymore. Often enough it felt dull to always see the same decks and the amount of rng effects just went crazy (its a bit better right now), but the fundamental flaws of the game just show more and more. Like the small starting hand that always will promote lowcurved aggrodecks and the lack of interaction with opponents plays. Also this game seems more and more to please the casual and fun player and not the ones that want a serious competitive game.
Besides those flaws, HS would still be a game Id enjoy from time to time, but what really burns me out it the need to grind daylies all the time to keep up with gold/packs. Its impossible to stop playing completely for a couple of weeks unless you want to spend money on the game or have limited deck choices after the next set release, which probably leads to even less fun, basically makes it unable to ever return.
So im thinking now, I might skip the next expansion completly and save my gold for the time I want to return.
I find i am going through same, Just keeping up with quest, doesn't allow me to play other games much. I have a near completed collection, and worry about staying near full. But I use to play alot of games that took up alot o my time.....like Total war series. But now I just can't get into it because i feeling like i am going lose a quest lol.
Fdp8: Exactly. Id rather have a day or two in the month to play exessively when I feel like it without the need to log in daily.
Sure I can do the quests every third day (which I do atm), I still need to log in daily to reroll the lowquests and if you save them up you have to play at least an hour every 3rd day.
But I dont want to care about the game and sit it like a pet. I want to decide when to play.
I think my decision is set. Ill grind til the next release and thats it.
I've actually just returned from a hiatus myself, from Gadgetzan to mid-KFT. Got really screwed over by Blizzard on 50 Gadgetzan packs, due to the high frequency tri-class bug, and my account wasn't recompensated.
If things looks stale for you, switch between Standard and Wild... however Highlander Priest is cancer in both formats.
Good idea on saving your gold. Maybe try out the Dungeon Run before you go though?
Oh I would enjoy the game on the weekend or whenever i feel like it. Ive got a good collection and wild is really cool. Its just that the game forced me to play it already a couple of hours on times I didnt enjoy it at all.
As someone who had to make that choice over many games I can add perhaps a bit into it.
Firstly, and most importantly, I look into whether I am having fun doing what I'm doing. That is, am I actually enjoying the gameplay itself or am I just enjoying obtaining the rewards. Or worse, am I doing it because I feel I need to, that I'll fall behind if I don't or miss out on something interesting later.
I have looked at various games that I've put a lot of time, and money in some cases, into, and realized it was the last item: I'm playing just to keep up or max out. When i feel that I then step back and ask this question: What am I actually working towards?
When I ask that, it triggers something in me. I can see myself at the end of that road, after I picked up what I was after, then looking at what I'm going to be doing afterwards.. typically more of the same just with a new skill or card. It's then that I realize "I'm doing something I don't like in order to keep doing something I don't like."
That basically kills my motivation. As far as "It might get better." Well.. there's games out there that are ALREADY 'better' or more enjoyable. Why wait for something to hopefully become acceptable when you can just go play something acceptable right NOW. "I'll be missing out." ..well I'm missing out on something more enjoyable. You are ALWAYS missing out of something. If the next expansion ends up the BEST THING EVER well.. great for them. It wont' matter if I'm enjoying the game I'm in right now.
That mindset only lasts about 2 days or so, but it's enough. After that you get the urge to go back, realize you are already behind and losing out, and now it's "struggle harder to do what you don't want to do to end up in an even worst state of "doing what you don't want to do."
That's enough to keep me away for a few more days. Eventually I realize that I haven't loaded the game for weeks and, after a month or so I uninstall it.
It's been what got me out of most games like Gwent and Dandy Dungeon, and games that I've put money into like Grand Chase and Clash Royal. In the end, holding a big collection that helps you do something you don't enjoy so you can do more of what you don't enjoy is just not something you should be holding.
Interestingly, I tried the same thing with hearthstone during Un'Goro. I realized that I wasn't enjoying what I was doing, so I asked the question. And realized the problem wasn't not enjoying the game but what I was doing IN the game. So I stopped worrying about ranking up and stopped being stubborn about Standard and went to Wild where I enjoyed myself. Now I'm back doing dailies but because I WANT to do it. I enjoy playing my decks, making new ones, and can't wait to get into hearing everyone going hype/salty over the new set followed by carefully deciding which decsk I'll want to dedicate myself into.
I also stopped focusing on getting the meta cards so instead of Rogue quest I picked up the Paladin quest, and I grabbed the Rogue and Hunter DKs. Good choices for what I was after.
So yes, do NOT accept what you don't enjoy. Ask yourself the hard question and be ready to sacrifice. Sometimes this means ending the game you are playing. Sometimes it means changing HOW you play the game. But you need to do SOMETHING other than what you do now.
And note, if you do decide you don't want to continue but can't stop yourself.. that's the meaning behind an addiction. I'm serious on this one: get help. Once you know can't make the choice, you know it REALLY needs to stop.
iandakar, that’s possibly the best thing I’ve read on here.
HS is part of my regular “review of how I spend my time” cycle, not just playing but watching streamers, etc.
It’s pretty close to getting cut, the feeling of being on a treadmill plus increased costs are getting to me. But I do still enjoy playing off meta decks (especially Wild) so until that fades I’m still in.
I stopped playing Hearthstone competitively basically from Gwent closed beta, not because I started playing Gwent all the time, but because I realized how it's possible to make card game better, like open public leaderboard without excuses about 'technology is not there' and so on (too long to write everything and it's off-topic).
Nowadays I play Tavern Brawl once per week and may be some Wild games from time to time with rare not-nerfed-into-oblivion decks. I'm not going to play this game seriously ever again and think it will remain casual RNG-based clown fiesta forever.
With a new expansion dropping in mid December, you could always take a mini-break for a month or so until it arrives. Then you won't miss the new expansion, but it will also feel fairly fresh and new for you when you come back.
first i want to say im not addicted ;) i can/could/will stop because i really came to the point where i despise grinding dailies any longer. i dont want to play stupid rogue decks for hours to reach 50 cards played or stupid murloc or whatever decks. I just want to play a class and a deck i enjoy and when I am in the mood to play
that said i will continue to do them until the next set arrives. first, because thats a good point to stop playing, second should i comeback i didnt miss any gold i would have had on release date. i also think theyll give us another week of doubled gold quest. so psychologically i wont miss any gold for kobolds, but the expansion after. should i find back to the game i can probably just buy the next preorder, although i really dont want to spend another dime on the game since its waaay to costly (50€ for a fragment of the new set) and they would have gotten me to the point where they want me (spend money instead of grinding)
i will at least try to to do the weekly brawl and get rank 20 to keep somewhat up2date, but only if i enjoy it.
that said i will continue to do them until the next set arrives. first, because thats a good point to stop playing, second should i comeback i didnt miss any gold i would have had on release date. i also think theyll give us another week of doubled gold quest. so psychologically i wont miss any gold for kobolds, but the expansion after. should i find back to the game i can probably just buy the next preorder, although i really dont want to spend another dime on the game since its waaay to costly (50€ for a fragment of the new set) and they would have gotten me to the point where they want me (spend money instead of grinding)
i will at least try to to do the weekly brawl and get rank 20 to keep somewhat up2date, but only if i enjoy it.
This is what got me to stop trying to rank up. getting those epics every month was nice but honestly, pushing my life to get in the games to get to rank 5 will turn the game from a fun experience to a chore that never ends (since there will always be a 'next month'). Thus I just play end let myself sit at rank 15. I honestly don't even know IF I could ever hit legend since I've never had the desire to try and I'm not spike enough to enjoy doing a challenge just to prove I can.
OTOH The dailies I actually find enjoyable out of the box since it provides an excuse to try out different things. I rack up 3 of them then try to make a deck that satisfies all three. A favorite was when I had Paladin Domination, 100 Murlocs, and pirates (pre-MSG). The result was an aggro-weapon based buff deck that I HAD make viable enouogh to win. Actually pulled it off. The result is a sort of puzzle with a reward system.
Really I'd play the #()$#)( out of a mode that presented random challenges like "Make a (rogue) deck with (half the deck) being (elemental) and win (5) games with it." #)(%#() I'm half tempted to figure out how to create a system like that right now where I can press a button and get some broken deck idea.
see.. .when I think of "why do I play hearthstone" I get stuff like this. Only other card game I get that feeling on is the pokemon TCG (which I just found out is online so yes I've already caught myself playing both :P).
Thus I put it to you. If you ask the question you SHOULD get back something that suddenly makes you WANT to play it RIGHT NOW. If you don't then you might need to find something that brings that feeling.
I started playing little before TGT and stopped right after Cthun was launched.
I took a long break until recently, when I started again in the last month of Ungoro, and played very actively through KFT.
Tbh, the grind kills me. I just get tilted so easily in ranked it's awful experience for me. I play around 15-20 games and already I feel 40% worse than before I started to play. When I notice that, I shut the game down.
Last couple of days I was trying out some new decks, doing only quests etc. But still the game doesen't offer anything for me besides ranked and casual, since I'm f2p. Arena is my favourite mode, but it's locked behind a paywall, so I can play 1-2 arenas over 3 days, which is almost nothing. So I'm also considering quiting as well.
It seems to me that Blizzard doesen't care so much about the user experience as they care about the money. The way they print cards is awful. Bunch of highrolls, op cards, disgusting cards that make you wanna stop playing (like Ultimate infestation, spreading plague, keleseth, raza anduin combo, jades etc) - I feel that game was much more playable in TGT than now.
You can do what I'm going to do. Quit as soon as the expansion drops, and after a month or so check the meta and see if you like the current state of the game. If you don't... well wait until the next expansion.
This thread describes EXACTLY where I am at with HS at the moment: I love the game, but I hate the grind to "stay current" and play decks that I don't want to play to do so. I'd much rather ENJOY the play time in the game, rather than feel like I'm constantly working towards an impossible goal. Also, I've been an MtG player for about 15 years or so, and I've already transitioned to Modern so I don't have to spend so much on Standard all the time. The equivalent of staying current on each expansion in HS for Standard, or just let the meta settle and craft what's playable in Wild.
I've started playing Eternal approximately a week and a half ago, and I'm already climbing ladder with a tier 2 control deck with Legendaries. The rewards are SO generous, especially in the very beginning. Completing the campaign and a couple of Gauntlets (free) will net you somewhere around 20k dust minimum for crafting, which the top tier decks average between 20-50k so you're well upon your way. Daily pack rewards for a single win. They give you FREE decks every few days, and you get to keep all the cards. Imagine if in HS you got to keep all the cards from your Arena run. Well, in Eternal, they have 2 modes, one where you play AI and one against other players, and in both you get to keep the cards you draft. It's really been amazing so far, and it's VERY similar to MtG as far as gameplay, which is extremely important to me. Plenty of things to do "in response" and timing and order is very important, like the stack. Less turn phases than MtG, so it's a bit more simplified, which probably is good for a computerized game. I highly recommend at least trying it for a bit, because they reward you generously and you can build a real meta deck quickly.
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I find i am going through same, Just keeping up with quest, doesn't allow me to play other games much. I have a near completed collection, and worry about staying near full. But I use to play alot of games that took up alot o my time.....like Total war series. But now I just can't get into it because i feeling like i am going lose a quest lol.
I wish my biggest problem with Total War was losing a Quest in HS haha, those games are WAY too addictive... Just one more turn... (Five hours go by)... Just one more....
It was a good thing that Rome II came out in the bad optimization state that it did, or I would probably had been sucked in... I played so many hours of Rome 1...
I also played and still play hundreds or thousands of hours playing Rome total war 1. Might be the only game that might pull me out of this cycle. When you have a near full collection, ability to make or play any deck you want, that is what is hard to let go. People wish they have what you worked hard to achieve.... How , can you walk...lol.
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Yeah I know, its kind of a rhetorical question and I have to decide for myself. But here are my thoughts.
Im playing the game since beta now and i really enjoyed it. Sure it lacked the depth of MTG which i played for years, but for what it had to offer it was a nice strategic game.
But since almost a year I hardly enjoy the game anymore. Often enough it felt dull to always see the same decks and the amount of rng effects just went crazy (its a bit better right now), but the fundamental flaws of the game just show more and more. Like the small starting hand that always will promote lowcurved aggrodecks and the lack of interaction with opponents plays. Also this game seems more and more to please the casual and fun player and not the ones that want a serious competitive game.
Besides those flaws, HS would still be a game Id enjoy from time to time, but what really burns me out it the need to grind daylies all the time to keep up with gold/packs. Its impossible to stop playing completely for a couple of weeks unless you want to spend money on the game or have limited deck choices after the next set release, which probably leads to even less fun, basically makes it unable to ever return.
So im thinking now, I might skip the next expansion completly and save my gold for the time I want to return.
I'm currently on Hearthstone hiatus, playing a bit of Eternal instead, since a) it's a lot more like Magic and b) the rewards are very generous. I'd suggest trying out another game during your break, and then deciding which you'd prefer to play.
#gNOmeferatu
If it helps the last expansion of the year offers the least amount of time in standard (which means it might have even more broken cards...idk).
something to consider if you are indeed going on a break.
What helped me though was just doing an arena here or there and occasionally popping in to do a daily. Avoid ranked for awhile and it's better.
One of your points is something that I really hate about Hearthstone and other mobile game: you HAVE to do daily quests to earn stuff, is the only way for a F2P. i know the reason behind is that they want you to be active and adicted, playing the game almost every day, but it really sucks that you can't really decide when to earn things. Other games you can take a looong way to get good things, but at least you decide when you are going to do the work.
I dont care about the ladder too much, I just need a break from the horrible grind experience. The game forces me to play it regularly or Ill lose all my investment, So to me the least loss to quit seems now, with some amount of gold saved up for a future return.
you could in theory only open it up every three days to start, do the quests then immediately close it?
Fdp8: Exactly. Id rather have a day or two in the month to play exessively when I feel like it without the need to log in daily.
Sure I can do the quests every third day (which I do atm), I still need to log in daily to reroll the lowquests and if you save them up you have to play at least an hour every 3rd day.
But I dont want to care about the game and sit it like a pet. I want to decide when to play.
I think my decision is set. Ill grind til the next release and thats it.
I've actually just returned from a hiatus myself, from Gadgetzan to mid-KFT. Got really screwed over by Blizzard on 50 Gadgetzan packs, due to the high frequency tri-class bug, and my account wasn't recompensated.
If things looks stale for you, switch between Standard and Wild... however Highlander Priest is cancer in both formats.
Good idea on saving your gold. Maybe try out the Dungeon Run before you go though?
Oh I would enjoy the game on the weekend or whenever i feel like it. Ive got a good collection and wild is really cool. Its just that the game forced me to play it already a couple of hours on times I didnt enjoy it at all.
As someone who had to make that choice over many games I can add perhaps a bit into it.
Firstly, and most importantly, I look into whether I am having fun doing what I'm doing. That is, am I actually enjoying the gameplay itself or am I just enjoying obtaining the rewards. Or worse, am I doing it because I feel I need to, that I'll fall behind if I don't or miss out on something interesting later.
I have looked at various games that I've put a lot of time, and money in some cases, into, and realized it was the last item: I'm playing just to keep up or max out. When i feel that I then step back and ask this question: What am I actually working towards?
When I ask that, it triggers something in me. I can see myself at the end of that road, after I picked up what I was after, then looking at what I'm going to be doing afterwards.. typically more of the same just with a new skill or card. It's then that I realize "I'm doing something I don't like in order to keep doing something I don't like."
That basically kills my motivation. As far as "It might get better." Well.. there's games out there that are ALREADY 'better' or more enjoyable. Why wait for something to hopefully become acceptable when you can just go play something acceptable right NOW. "I'll be missing out." ..well I'm missing out on something more enjoyable. You are ALWAYS missing out of something. If the next expansion ends up the BEST THING EVER well.. great for them. It wont' matter if I'm enjoying the game I'm in right now.
That mindset only lasts about 2 days or so, but it's enough. After that you get the urge to go back, realize you are already behind and losing out, and now it's "struggle harder to do what you don't want to do to end up in an even worst state of "doing what you don't want to do."
That's enough to keep me away for a few more days. Eventually I realize that I haven't loaded the game for weeks and, after a month or so I uninstall it.
It's been what got me out of most games like Gwent and Dandy Dungeon, and games that I've put money into like Grand Chase and Clash Royal. In the end, holding a big collection that helps you do something you don't enjoy so you can do more of what you don't enjoy is just not something you should be holding.
Interestingly, I tried the same thing with hearthstone during Un'Goro. I realized that I wasn't enjoying what I was doing, so I asked the question. And realized the problem wasn't not enjoying the game but what I was doing IN the game. So I stopped worrying about ranking up and stopped being stubborn about Standard and went to Wild where I enjoyed myself. Now I'm back doing dailies but because I WANT to do it. I enjoy playing my decks, making new ones, and can't wait to get into hearing everyone going hype/salty over the new set followed by carefully deciding which decsk I'll want to dedicate myself into.
I also stopped focusing on getting the meta cards so instead of Rogue quest I picked up the Paladin quest, and I grabbed the Rogue and Hunter DKs. Good choices for what I was after.
So yes, do NOT accept what you don't enjoy. Ask yourself the hard question and be ready to sacrifice. Sometimes this means ending the game you are playing. Sometimes it means changing HOW you play the game. But you need to do SOMETHING other than what you do now.
And note, if you do decide you don't want to continue but can't stop yourself.. that's the meaning behind an addiction. I'm serious on this one: get help. Once you know can't make the choice, you know it REALLY needs to stop.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
iandakar, that’s possibly the best thing I’ve read on here.
HS is part of my regular “review of how I spend my time” cycle, not just playing but watching streamers, etc.
It’s pretty close to getting cut, the feeling of being on a treadmill plus increased costs are getting to me. But I do still enjoy playing off meta decks (especially Wild) so until that fades I’m still in.
I stopped playing Hearthstone competitively basically from Gwent closed beta, not because I started playing Gwent all the time, but because I realized how it's possible to make card game better, like open public leaderboard without excuses about 'technology is not there' and so on (too long to write everything and it's off-topic).
Nowadays I play Tavern Brawl once per week and may be some Wild games from time to time with rare not-nerfed-into-oblivion decks. I'm not going to play this game seriously ever again and think it will remain casual RNG-based clown fiesta forever.
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With a new expansion dropping in mid December, you could always take a mini-break for a month or so until it arrives.
Then you won't miss the new expansion, but it will also feel fairly fresh and new for you when you come back.
first i want to say im not addicted ;) i can/could/will stop because i really came to the point where i despise grinding dailies any longer. i dont want to play stupid rogue decks for hours to reach 50 cards played or stupid murloc or whatever decks. I just want to play a class and a deck i enjoy and when I am in the mood to play
that said i will continue to do them until the next set arrives. first, because thats a good point to stop playing, second should i comeback i didnt miss any gold i would have had on release date. i also think theyll give us another week of doubled gold quest. so psychologically i wont miss any gold for kobolds, but the expansion after. should i find back to the game i can probably just buy the next preorder, although i really dont want to spend another dime on the game since its waaay to costly (50€ for a fragment of the new set) and they would have gotten me to the point where they want me (spend money instead of grinding)
i will at least try to to do the weekly brawl and get rank 20 to keep somewhat up2date, but only if i enjoy it.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
I started playing little before TGT and stopped right after Cthun was launched.
I took a long break until recently, when I started again in the last month of Ungoro, and played very actively through KFT.
Tbh, the grind kills me. I just get tilted so easily in ranked it's awful experience for me. I play around 15-20 games and already I feel 40% worse than before I started to play. When I notice that, I shut the game down.
Last couple of days I was trying out some new decks, doing only quests etc. But still the game doesen't offer anything for me besides ranked and casual, since I'm f2p. Arena is my favourite mode, but it's locked behind a paywall, so I can play 1-2 arenas over 3 days, which is almost nothing. So I'm also considering quiting as well.
It seems to me that Blizzard doesen't care so much about the user experience as they care about the money. The way they print cards is awful. Bunch of highrolls, op cards, disgusting cards that make you wanna stop playing (like Ultimate infestation, spreading plague, keleseth, raza anduin combo, jades etc) - I feel that game was much more playable in TGT than now.
You can do what I'm going to do. Quit as soon as the expansion drops, and after a month or so check the meta and see if you like the current state of the game. If you don't... well wait until the next expansion.
Fuck cubelock
This thread describes EXACTLY where I am at with HS at the moment: I love the game, but I hate the grind to "stay current" and play decks that I don't want to play to do so. I'd much rather ENJOY the play time in the game, rather than feel like I'm constantly working towards an impossible goal. Also, I've been an MtG player for about 15 years or so, and I've already transitioned to Modern so I don't have to spend so much on Standard all the time. The equivalent of staying current on each expansion in HS for Standard, or just let the meta settle and craft what's playable in Wild.
I've started playing Eternal approximately a week and a half ago, and I'm already climbing ladder with a tier 2 control deck with Legendaries. The rewards are SO generous, especially in the very beginning. Completing the campaign and a couple of Gauntlets (free) will net you somewhere around 20k dust minimum for crafting, which the top tier decks average between 20-50k so you're well upon your way. Daily pack rewards for a single win. They give you FREE decks every few days, and you get to keep all the cards. Imagine if in HS you got to keep all the cards from your Arena run. Well, in Eternal, they have 2 modes, one where you play AI and one against other players, and in both you get to keep the cards you draft. It's really been amazing so far, and it's VERY similar to MtG as far as gameplay, which is extremely important to me. Plenty of things to do "in response" and timing and order is very important, like the stack. Less turn phases than MtG, so it's a bit more simplified, which probably is good for a computerized game. I highly recommend at least trying it for a bit, because they reward you generously and you can build a real meta deck quickly.
Nature is the Day.
Man is the Sun.
Woman is the Moon.
The Stone is the Sky.
The Art is the Way.