DK Razakus Priest = Draw Raza by turn 5 and win. Dont and lose most times but still super powerful. Broken deck
Rogue (prince) = Draw prince in mulligan and have a 80% chance to win. Draw shadowstep+prince and auto win. Without prince still good but only 50% win chance. Broken deck
Evolve Shaman = Draw Thrall, Deathseer and Bloodlust early and control board and auto win. Broken deck
Jade Druid = Draw Ultimate Infestation early and have good ramp and auto win. After nerf still tier 1 and still...Broken deck
Special metion Exodia Mage = Draw Archmage Antonidas and combo before dead and auto win. Not top tier but ...Broken deck
If your not playing a Broken deck this meta your losing alot. Fight cancer with cancer or lose.
Every deck is a highroll deck with 1 card needed at the right time to win or lose. ONE CARD.
Highlander priest: There are games where I got Raza on curve but Anduinn was in the bottom 5 cards and I couldn't do shit, I'm not saying is not broken but people cry a lot about it.
Tempo rogue: There have been games that my opponent get prince and shadowstep on turn 2 and I still win
Jade Druid: Busted, you need a good hand/ start and they need a slow jade start to have a chance as a slow deck
Evolve Shaman: Did you see Pavel's last game yesterday? LOL and those type of games are actually not that weird, where you have Bloodlust or thrall and you never draw any useful minions
Exodia mage: Busted as well, either generate extra ice blocks or freeze you 5 turns in a row with the generated freezes.
Also, I would like to point out something very funny you wrote about Exodia Mage that kind of makes me wonder what game you have been playing...
Draw Combo before dead and auto win... That is literally how you win every single game of Hearthstone... Draw your win condition before your opponent kills you and you auto win, that is how it always works. In the Exodia Mage deck, that win condition happens to be the Exodia Combo, in other decks it is their own win condition. That is how 99% of games work. You draw cards and play them to beat your opponent before he kills you, or he kills you. One of the two players will win. The only expection is when games end in a Draw, which is really rare.
My point was Every deck has 1 card that makes it broken. Draw that card and you will win most times reguardless of action or skill. Its all highroll/coin flip. Not saying you win 100% of the time but its close.
Not even close to 100%. In fact, I would almost never keep double shadowstep with Keleseth. You have no cards after that. I watched one of my favorite streamers double shadowstep and lost still. Yes, your percentages go up if these things happen. But play the games out. That’s what being good at this game is all about, is finding ways to improve your % to win. If you’d like every game to be a coin flip, feel free to Skype me and flip a coin over and over. I’ll leave it running in the background and give you props for how epic your coin-flipping skillz are!
Or just tech mind breaker or dirty rat if you’re really having trouble in certain matchups.
I like the meta, blizz managed to nerf jade Druid without tilting everything back towards aggro; thank god for the departure of pirate warrior and the decline of aggro druid. Even hunter had to adapt to control with the use of their DK. The only top tier aggro deck is rogue but I think I can live with that.
This gives people the freedom to experiment with crazy cool new things like big priest and mill warrior. Handlock is back and it's been a while...
I love playing control and it's finally a thing! never before and (probably) never again will exodia mage be viable on ladder. I don't care if my opponent plays ridiculous things when that is exactly what I play.
DK Razakus Priest = Draw Raza by turn 5 and win. Dont and lose most times but still super powerful. Broken deck
What do you mean broken deck? Barely the bottom of tier 2 (50.01% wr by VS in the meta), literally every deck in the meta has at least around ~50% vs it except Evo Shaman, and many utterly obliterate it like Jade Druid. Inconsistent slow, and lately pretty weak deck, let alone broken.
Also you named 5 decks as broken, if that is true then we have the most diverse meta maybe that we ever had, since usually only one or two decks are "broken".
Where out getting your numbers? VS? lol yea that Makes sense.
DK Razakus Priest = Draw Raza by turn 5 and win. Dont and lose most times but still super powerful. Broken deck
Rogue (prince) = Draw prince in mulligan and have a 80% chance to win. Draw shadowstep+prince and auto win. Without prince still good but only 50% win chance. Broken deck
Evolve Shaman = Draw Thrall, Deathseer and Bloodlust early and control board and auto win. Broken deck
Jade Druid = Draw Ultimate Infestation early and have good ramp and auto win. After nerf still tier 1 and still...Broken deck
Special metion Exodia Mage = Draw Archmage Antonidas and combo before dead and auto win. Not top tier but ...Broken deck
If your not playing a Broken deck this meta your losing alot. Fight cancer with cancer or lose.
Every deck is a highroll deck with 1 card needed at the right time to win or lose. ONE CARD.
What a great meta we have.
The issue does not lie in broken decks, the 'issue' is the game itself, and with that being the case, is it really an issue?
Hearthstone is a game of chance at it's core, not skill. Bad luck will lose to good luck. You can put together virtually any deck with decent synergy, and you will win if you draw your cards right, and your opponent doesn't. The second aspect is the 50% rule ... also a part of the game. If both players have good luck on the draw, you have a 50% chance of winning or losing, and the game will be close, probably coming down to a misplay, or who went first (both players will be at or near lethal on final turn).
Sorry, but that's the game. Its not chess. It's not going to be "best player wins" every time. And is that a bad thing? I don't think so.
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I haven't seen a single Jade Druid for quite a while in Ranked. Been playing Prince Paladin and N'zoth Warrior probably not top meta decks but they're very fun to play.
Top meta decks are braindead and require you to highroll.Well welcome to hs my friend.This is the case since patron was nerfed.Blizzard think their playerbase are drolling idiots and make their game acccordingly.If you don't like it play something else.The game will never change for the better.So accept it for what it is or move on.
Btw the replies that try to defend the braindead decks are so cute XD
-''i hab to thunk dat i mast nut shadustup keleseth on 2 uf i hab edwin so i cun muk an edwin 100/100 and plau keleseth on 3!Imma genious!''
-''jude druid requires skull bucase i nud to rump and plu UI but i hab to knuw when to use nurish for draw if i hab not Ui!I cun bu a pro!
-''Raza priest neds skulls bucase i hab to thunk how muny times i cun ping da face!Aruthmutics is su hurd!''
The meta is great at the moment, it's varied and so many archetypes are viable. People just still aren't happy, you basically just described what happens in a very small % of games.
Some people are just incredibly salty and cry no matter what. We just had a tournament where all classes were represented and the winner took down Jade Druid and Kazakus Priest as part of his strategy. Things are very balanced at the moment.
If you cry about Razakus priest then you are playing the matchup wrong, likewise with Jade Druid. Priest doesn't draw the combo pieces every single time in the early game, and even if they do, it's slow so you can beat them up! Jade Druid is strong but only really as an anti control deck. Keleseth Rogue is very strong of course, but Prince is slightly over-rated and it's not an insta win. The shadowstep thing happens very rarely, and even then most people lose only cause they just concede. Your opponent can draw all spells in that time.
Exodia mage isn't great, but it stops control decks from getting too greedy and it keeps the meta varied with aggro, mid range and control. Which is GOOD for the game, people would quit if every game was a 50 minute control game.
Good decks are ALLOWED. If good decks didn't exist they'd simply be replaced. If all Tier 1 and 2 decks were nerfed now so they became Tier 7, what do you think would happen? The Tier 3 and 4 would take their place and you'd post more posts moaning and crying.
Sometimes yes, you draw the nuts, you win, but what separates the good from the great is the games you win when you DON'T just highroll the nuts. Some of these comments are just point blank wrong and shows how people lack any sort of knowledge about the game. I think it just goes to show, we had a tournament where all of the players who played the best and who won games even from really bad positions. The tournament last weekend was probably the best tournament ever in terms of skill, fun, , entertainment, randomness and talent. And hey, that's Hearthstone! Just maybe one day we'll live in a world where people can just be happy and not moan and cry all the time.
The issue does not lie in broken decks, the 'issue' is the game itself, and with that being the case, is it really an issue?
Hearthstone is a game of chance at it's core, not skill. Bad luck will lose to good luck. You can put together virtually any deck with decent synergy, and you will win if you draw your cards right, and your opponent doesn't. The second aspect is the 50% rule ... also a part of the game. If both players have good luck on the draw, you have a 50% chance of winning or losing, and the game will be close, probably coming down to a misplay, or who went first (both players will be at or near lethal on final turn).
Sorry, but that's the game. Its not chess. It's not going to be "best player wins" every time. And is that a bad thing? I don't think so.
Hearthstone in a nutshell! People don't know the game they play
DK Razakus Priest = Draw Raza by turn 5 and win. Dont and lose most times but still super powerful. Broken deck
Rogue (prince) = Draw prince in mulligan and have a 80% chance to win. Draw shadowstep+prince and auto win. Without prince still good but only 50% win chance. Broken deck
Evolve Shaman = Draw Thrall, Deathseer and Bloodlust early and control board and auto win. Broken deck
Jade Druid = Draw Ultimate Infestation early and have good ramp and auto win. After nerf still tier 1 and still...Broken deck
Special metion
Exodia Mage = Draw Archmage Antonidas and combo before dead and auto win. Not top tier but ...Broken deck
If your not playing a Broken deck this meta your losing alot. Fight cancer with cancer or lose.
Every deck is a highroll deck with 1 card needed at the right time to win or lose. ONE CARD.
What a great meta we have.
You salty?
Highlander priest: There are games where I got Raza on curve but Anduinn was in the bottom 5 cards and I couldn't do shit, I'm not saying is not broken but people cry a lot about it.
Tempo rogue: There have been games that my opponent get prince and shadowstep on turn 2 and I still win
Jade Druid: Busted, you need a good hand/ start and they need a slow jade start to have a chance as a slow deck
Evolve Shaman: Did you see Pavel's last game yesterday? LOL and those type of games are actually not that weird, where you have Bloodlust or thrall and you never draw any useful minions
Exodia mage: Busted as well, either generate extra ice blocks or freeze you 5 turns in a row with the generated freezes.
Not even close to 100%. In fact, I would almost never keep double shadowstep with Keleseth. You have no cards after that. I watched one of my favorite streamers double shadowstep and lost still. Yes, your percentages go up if these things happen. But play the games out. That’s what being good at this game is all about, is finding ways to improve your % to win. If you’d like every game to be a coin flip, feel free to Skype me and flip a coin over and over. I’ll leave it running in the background and give you props for how epic your coin-flipping skillz are!
Or just tech mind breaker or dirty rat if you’re really having trouble in certain matchups.
I like the meta, blizz managed to nerf jade Druid without tilting everything back towards aggro; thank god for the departure of pirate warrior and the decline of aggro druid. Even hunter had to adapt to control with the use of their DK. The only top tier aggro deck is rogue but I think I can live with that.
This gives people the freedom to experiment with crazy cool new things like big priest and mill warrior. Handlock is back and it's been a while...
I love playing control and it's finally a thing! never before and (probably) never again will exodia mage be viable on ladder. I don't care if my opponent plays ridiculous things when that is exactly what I play.
You can't have five broken decks. Also, most people in this thread need to catch up on the best deck in the meta, which is not priest or rogue.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/ - useful link
"broken" is different than "very strong"
Anyway, I think many of us would appreciate it if you voiced your concerns in the salt thread rather than creating brand new threads.
Please try to keep the discussion constructive, or else it belongs in the salt thread
Rogue Deckbuilder. Midrange/Combo player.
Hearthstone is a game of chance at it's core, not skill. Bad luck will lose to good luck. You can put together virtually any deck with decent synergy, and you will win if you draw your cards right, and your opponent doesn't. The second aspect is the 50% rule ... also a part of the game. If both players have good luck on the draw, you have a 50% chance of winning or losing, and the game will be close, probably coming down to a misplay, or who went first (both players will be at or near lethal on final turn).
Sorry, but that's the game. Its not chess. It's not going to be "best player wins" every time. And is that a bad thing? I don't think so.
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I wanna write her, name in the sky
I wanna free fall, out into nothin'
Gonna leave this, world for awhile
I haven't seen a single Jade Druid for quite a while in Ranked. Been playing Prince Paladin and N'zoth Warrior probably not top meta decks but they're very fun to play.
Top meta decks are braindead and require you to highroll.Well welcome to hs my friend.This is the case since patron was nerfed.Blizzard think their playerbase are drolling idiots and make their game acccordingly.If you don't like it play something else.The game will never change for the better.So accept it for what it is or move on.
Btw the replies that try to defend the braindead decks are so cute XD
-''i hab to thunk dat i mast nut shadustup keleseth on 2 uf i hab edwin so i cun muk an edwin 100/100 and plau keleseth on 3!Imma genious!''
-''jude druid requires skull bucase i nud to rump and plu UI but i hab to knuw when to use nurish for draw if i hab not Ui!I cun bu a pro!
-''Raza priest neds skulls bucase i hab to thunk how muny times i cun ping da face!Aruthmutics is su hurd!''
The meta is great at the moment, it's varied and so many archetypes are viable. People just still aren't happy, you basically just described what happens in a very small % of games.
Some people are just incredibly salty and cry no matter what. We just had a tournament where all classes were represented and the winner took down Jade Druid and Kazakus Priest as part of his strategy. Things are very balanced at the moment.
If you cry about Razakus priest then you are playing the matchup wrong, likewise with Jade Druid. Priest doesn't draw the combo pieces every single time in the early game, and even if they do, it's slow so you can beat them up! Jade Druid is strong but only really as an anti control deck. Keleseth Rogue is very strong of course, but Prince is slightly over-rated and it's not an insta win. The shadowstep thing happens very rarely, and even then most people lose only cause they just concede. Your opponent can draw all spells in that time.
Exodia mage isn't great, but it stops control decks from getting too greedy and it keeps the meta varied with aggro, mid range and control. Which is GOOD for the game, people would quit if every game was a 50 minute control game.
Good decks are ALLOWED. If good decks didn't exist they'd simply be replaced. If all Tier 1 and 2 decks were nerfed now so they became Tier 7, what do you think would happen? The Tier 3 and 4 would take their place and you'd post more posts moaning and crying.
Sometimes yes, you draw the nuts, you win, but what separates the good from the great is the games you win when you DON'T just highroll the nuts. Some of these comments are just point blank wrong and shows how people lack any sort of knowledge about the game. I think it just goes to show, we had a tournament where all of the players who played the best and who won games even from really bad positions. The tournament last weekend was probably the best tournament ever in terms of skill, fun, , entertainment, randomness and talent. And hey, that's Hearthstone! Just maybe one day we'll live in a world where people can just be happy and not moan and cry all the time.
Stay awhile and listen!
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OP forgot Big Priest? Play Barnes on Turn 4, or Turn 3 with the coin, and auto win.