I actually am astounded at how much the few little nerfs/tweaks helped revive this meta. It was crap before, I think most of us can agree with that. Most decks were unplayable.
Im seeing quest warrior, dead man's hand warrior, tempo rogue (both elemental and pirates), control mage, secret mage, big priest, raza priest, control warlock, a zoo warlock (only once, but still!), Aggro paladin, buffadin, jade Druid, big/ramp Druid, evolve shaman, midrange hunter!!! Every class has at least one, most of them two, viable archetypes. I'm REALLY enjoying the meta. Great job on the nerfs, blitz! And no, I'm not being sarcastic!
what are your thoughts?
Yep, it is so diverse when you are on rank 22... Even zoolock !!!
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It's okay I guess but priest it's starting to become a real problem. If you're playing a midrange deck against highlander or big priest it's kind of dull, just play the board, it's all the same for priest class, whatever you do they gonna find a way to stall you and just rip you apart drawing and playing cheap crap or by reviving the same overpowered minion over and over in a way that almost feels like they are cheating. Also, if you are playing any control deck you still gonna have a bad time cause of Velen. Seems like priest class always pulls out a oppressive deck somehow.
It's kinda of the same feeling I got the last month of Un'Goro, just the same dull decks with the same plays most of the time, but KFT it's in earlier stage, so for me priest it's a matter of concern. I'm in the point where I just concede if I face priest, even if it's a ranked match.
It's a good thing that half of you are happy and half of you are pissed off. None of you will all be happy at the same time because you all want different things. I'm happy that OP is enjoying the meta. OP is able to cope with the diverse array of classes/archetypes AND OP's able to enjoy the game after the nerfs went live. That's what you call a success story.
Too many of you want to rank up. Your appreciation for the game in its current state is almost nonexistent because you're a competitor. I feel bad for any of you that look at Hearthstone as specifically a game for ranking up, only caring about numbers and progress. If you're trying to force success and you aren't happy or successful, it means you're playing the game wrong. Try looking at the game as an actual game for once and not a place where you lay out your desires and expect things to work out exactly as you want them to. You might find yourself pleased with the game for once.
Zoolock is good enough to rank to legend... Just saying. It's always been a consistent deck since day 1 of HS. It's just not FotM in recent expansions.
It's a good thing that half of you are happy and half of you are pissed off. None of you will all be happy at the same time because you all want different things. I'm happy that OP is enjoying the meta. OP is able to cope with the diverse array of classes/archetypes AND OP's able to enjoy the game after the nerfs went live. That's what you call a success story.
Too many of you want to rank up. Your appreciation for the game in its current state is almost nonexistent because you're a competitor. I feel bad for any of you that look at Hearthstone as specifically a game for ranking up, only caring about numbers and progress. If you're trying to force success and you aren't happy or successful, it means you're playing the game wrong. Try looking at the game as an actual game for once and not a place where you lay out your desires and expect things to work out exactly as you want them to. You might find yourself pleased with the game for once.
I don't play HS for ranks. I do legend runs only when I find a deck and meta that's fun enough for me to play 100+ games with
Right now, the meta isn't fun and it's not because I can't get wins. Winning is easy. I don't need to win, I just need my wins and losses to be meaningful and impactable by my decision making. Winning as Big Priest by playing Barnes on curve is not meaningful. Winning as Razakus priest because the opponent is not playing aggro and I have Raza and DK on curve is not meaningful. I didn't choose to draw important cards on curve but I was rewarded for it anyways
Honestly, if there are any people happy with the meta right now, it's exactly the "competitors", as you put it. If you just want to reach legend fast and without using your brain, now is the best time to do it. These are people who will take totally undeserved RNG wins and be content with it
I don't appreciate your condescending simplification of me and everyone else like me who don't share your opinion
I agree there're decks which are "easier". I recently watched a video of Kibler, getting legend with Reno mage during MSoG. You can see "the skill level" of aggro shamans who flooded the ladder back then... it's almost disgusting that a deck could be so forgiving and auto pilot to victory.
I have just accepted there will always be players that just like to play the easiest top cancers and who want to get legend while being in WC and in school breaks on mobile. I just want different experience from the game even if that costs me high ranks.
for all of you "bored" or "agitated", remember, this is NOTHING like the MSG or Karazhan metas... you should be glad that this is at least halfway decent...
You mean when you could just save up gold and get guaranteed playable cards, and basic cards were playable as well?
Yeah, I like it better now too, where you need to drop insane amounts on randomized boosters just to play the game.
As soon as Magic's new game is online, I might switch to that, as it is probably cheaper to play.
The meta is indeed balanced even though rogues are slightly more popular atm , its nowhere close to undertaker hunters / patrons / midrange shamans / jade druids.
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Sorry, but I think the game is in the worst state I've ever seen. The mere existence of decks like Big Priest, wild Naga Giants, Prince 2/2 and to a lesser extent Razakus Priest are reducing games into coinflips to see if you can draw key cards on curve.
At least with secret paladin, pirate warrior and mid/aggro shaman, you can react to their early minions to reduce the damage. Good luck setting up for Barnes into two Y'shaarj on 4 or 3 with the coin.
Oh cmon guys... Healthy meta is where you can win with literally any class and archetype versus any class or archetype and it all depends on your skill, predictions, draws, resource management etc...
But now we have "rock-paper-scissors" and it is not healthy when you 99% know outcome of a match on mulligan phase and only way to win in a bad matchup is to be extremely good on draws while you opponent is extremely unlucky. Archetypes diversity means nothing, it would be much better to have only two playable decks, but with equal chances to win versus each other and in mirrors...
Oh cmon guys... Healthy meta is where you can win with literally any class and archetype versus any class or archetype and it all depends on your skill, predictions, draws, resource management etc...
But now we have "rock-paper-scissors" and it is not healthy when you 99% know outcome of a match on mulligan phase and only way to win in a bad matchup is to be extremely good on draws while you opponent is extremely unlucky. Archetypes diversity means nothing, it would be much better to have only two playable decks, but with equal chances to win versus each other and in mirrors...
NFW. Healthy meta is of ability to a) build anti-meta decks (!) & b) play it w/positive winrate. So current's really nice, even when it settles in few weeks, diversity is the key.
Not to seem baseless: EU 14-2 ranks climb in 4 days switching between modified razakus & midhunt (1 card changed in both decks days 2 & 4 to fit meta changes). HS's right about it, I mean. One can't netdeck yesterday's to play tomorrow, true skill is to face meta changes with own.
for all of you "bored" or "agitated", remember, this is NOTHING like the MSG or Karazhan metas... you should be glad that this is at least halfway decent...
TRUST ME. KARAZHAN META WAS FAR BETTER THAN MSG. MSG WAS A PURE SHITSHOW AND THE DEVS WERE TOO SLOW IN FIXING IT, CAUSING SOME OF THE COMMUNITY TO LEAVE DURING IT. MSG WAS THE WORST EXPANSION IN HEARTHSTONE AND KARAZHAN CANNOT EVEN COMPETE WITH IT.>
is absolutely unhealthy. The game must be rock-paper-scissors clash, leaving reducing bad matchup looserate & increasing opposite to deckbuilding & playing skills. Imo :)
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It's okay I guess but priest it's starting to become a real problem. If you're playing a midrange deck against highlander or big priest it's kind of dull, just play the board, it's all the same for priest class, whatever you do they gonna find a way to stall you and just rip you apart drawing and playing cheap crap or by reviving the same overpowered minion over and over in a way that almost feels like they are cheating. Also, if you are playing any control deck you still gonna have a bad time cause of Velen. Seems like priest class always pulls out a oppressive deck somehow.
It's kinda of the same feeling I got the last month of Un'Goro, just the same dull decks with the same plays most of the time, but KFT it's in earlier stage, so for me priest it's a matter of concern. I'm in the point where I just concede if I face priest, even if it's a ranked match.
It's a good thing that half of you are happy and half of you are pissed off. None of you will all be happy at the same time because you all want different things. I'm happy that OP is enjoying the meta. OP is able to cope with the diverse array of classes/archetypes AND OP's able to enjoy the game after the nerfs went live. That's what you call a success story.
Too many of you want to rank up. Your appreciation for the game in its current state is almost nonexistent because you're a competitor. I feel bad for any of you that look at Hearthstone as specifically a game for ranking up, only caring about numbers and progress. If you're trying to force success and you aren't happy or successful, it means you're playing the game wrong. Try looking at the game as an actual game for once and not a place where you lay out your desires and expect things to work out exactly as you want them to. You might find yourself pleased with the game for once.
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Zoolock is good enough to rank to legend... Just saying. It's always been a consistent deck since day 1 of HS. It's just not FotM in recent expansions.
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I agree there're decks which are "easier". I recently watched a video of Kibler, getting legend with Reno mage during MSoG. You can see "the skill level" of aggro shamans who flooded the ladder back then... it's almost disgusting that a deck could be so forgiving and auto pilot to victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apvhN-8s1pU
I have just accepted there will always be players that just like to play the easiest top cancers and who want to get legend while being in WC and in school breaks on mobile. I just want different experience from the game even if that costs me high ranks.
The meta is indeed balanced even though rogues are slightly more popular atm , its nowhere close to undertaker hunters / patrons / midrange shamans / jade druids.
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Yes. Also enjoying the new meta, but cautious right now as it is less than a week so the meta might still get dominated by a single class.
But for now loving it.
It sure is! Except for:
Fuck cubelock
Conclusion: People will never be happy with the meta. No matter how it turns out.
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Oh cmon guys... Healthy meta is where you can win with literally any class and archetype versus any class or archetype and it all depends on your skill, predictions, draws, resource management etc...
But now we have "rock-paper-scissors" and it is not healthy when you 99% know outcome of a match on mulligan phase and only way to win in a bad matchup is to be extremely good on draws while you opponent is extremely unlucky. Archetypes diversity means nothing, it would be much better to have only two playable decks, but with equal chances to win versus each other and in mirrors...
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Don't care what anybody else says .
I hate this meta .
Every single game is a coin flip . The person who draws the nuts wins and there's nothing the other can do to stop him .
At least with old jade druid you had a chance vs almost any deck . Now it's not longer possible .
A meta with a deck having
is absolutely unhealthy. The game must be rock-paper-scissors clash, leaving reducing bad matchup looserate & increasing opposite to deckbuilding & playing skills. Imo :)
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