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Jades are like pirate warrior last expansion, they are very powerful. Jade druid have one weakness, that is aggro decks. Jade druid right now is the king of late game but knowing that, why do people still try to play their shitty control decks on ladder only to lose and complain on forums? Murloc Paladin beats Jade druid very well and jades beat control, and control beats murloc paladin. I believe this is pretty well balanced, eventually everyone will start to counter jade with murloc paladin and jade won't be as popular on ladder anymore. I played murloc paladin and went against at least 20 jade druids at rank 10-4, only lost once and that was token druid, so I dont understand why so many people - who know they will que against jades - still use control decks, if you think playing control is fun then go to casual or something. If you want a deck out of the meta then play its counter
edit: Jades are annoying, but imo they are not as bad as undertaker hunter, patron warrior, worgen otk, force of nature savage roar, and pirate warrior. jades r something blizzard wants to try out and if you look at these old broken decks it took them a long time for a nerf, so give jades some time (im not a druid main btw)
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Card Design ChampionNot even murloc Pala counters jade. Jade druid has a positive or neutral winrate against ALL but one deck, which is of the same class (aggro druid).
So yeah, Druid is a huge, huge offender. If the "Jade"-engine is at fault or druids very strong classic cards is another point of discussion.
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-59/?utm_source=main-nav&utm_medium=link
While there is definitely too much jade hate on the forum (I've never played actual standard jade Druid, just variants like dragon hadronox jade, so don't try to jump on me as jade fan), their complaints aren't completely misplaced. The meta is broken. 40+% of decks are Druid, and pretty much only token or jade. Those decks have very high win rates against almost all other decks. Murloc Paladin is competitive and as usual pirate warrior is taking advantage of Jade and everyone trying to go control with all the new control cards. Until Druid changes (not Jade idol, but the new taunts and ultimate infestation, or some of their core cards to compensate for the nonsense they are now capable of) everybody has every right to complain about the current situation. They might misplace their complaints, but their complaints are valid nonetheless.
Just to add a detail into this discussion.
Blizzard, who took 2 months to declare Pirates a 'problem' has declared that Druid is too strong, and is already 'monitoring' them. Note that at that point 'monitoring' means that they know they will need to nerf something, but not sure which card and how yet. In the past it gets followed up with an actual nerf. Note it's NOT normal to declare this 2 weeks into an expansion. The fastest they've gone is 4 weeks out and that's with an issue they started 'monitoring' before said expansion (miracle before and after naxx).
So yeah, whether you believe it's an issue or not, expect a change soon.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
Quest mage is also really good against jade. The meta hasn't really settled yet. If there really is a problem it will be fixed. When people start to settle into strong decks we will see what kind of decks remains at the top.
Pirates vs jades, jippie good times! :)
Why can't complain about a deck that is on ladder 50% of time and my option otherwise is casual(funny thing is they are in casual too lol) and is deck that crushes control and coinflip matchup agaisn't argo now that something i should think about sometime
Edit:Like seriously Jades are problem and i have not won matchup using control agaisnt they are like tempo decks but are control decks at the same time with seemingly infinte resources only deck i won agaisnt't is either miracle or High roll rogue decks and then even im getting damn lucky to win
"Why do people play their shitty control decks?"
Really? Dont you understand that people want a diverse meta and therefore complains when a godlike archetype choke it?
This type of logic is annoying as hell.
If we were to accept this, then a deck with a winrate of 99% versus everything, except one deck that had a 5% edge... then it would be okay, because we should all play that 5% deck.
No dude, druid is way too strong and it is killing the game. Stop making excuses.
btw I'm not complaining about jades. I'm complaining about the endless 1/5 taunts... usually you have to deal 80+ dmg to jade druids with all those shitty taunts from spells, DK, armor craps, etc. thats just way to much with all the cards and jades and ramp.
Tldr; a blizzard apologist who doesn't see the issue with Jade Druid beating all but the most deprived of face decks.
LEAVE JADE DRUID ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE! ALL HE DOES IS DRAW AND PLAY BIG MINIONS, HE WILL GET NERFED IF YOU ALL KEEP COMPLAINING, SO LEAVE HIM ALONE!
This thread is ridiculous. "Here is anecdotal evidence of jades being balanced. Here is my opinion on the worst decks ever, as you can see, it is only the 6th worst deck imo. So stop complaining." Like wtf?
I will say this. The outcry for jade druid nerfs and being op was overblown and uncalled for prior to this expansion. However, now that it has been buffed and druid is making up like 40% of my matches, it's time to go. Not just jades, but the aggro variant too. They both need the nerf bat, and druid needs to be bottom tier for next expansion while Blizzard works on a healthier archetype for the class. Just like they did with warlock.
Really? Can't complain? When was the last time you see a jade druid draw badly? He have so many redundance for ramping and draw the deck never fails in start, mid and endgame pressure, not once, played vs jade druid more than 100 times after KFT and never, not a fucking single time, see the deck do nothing from turn 3 and the rest of the game, don't matter how long is.
If we can't complain about it then can't complain about anything because all other opressive meta decks a least have bad draws, undertaker don't come in first hand, pirates draw Patches and no wepons, paladin secret draw a lot of secrets and no MC, etc...
Okay here's my 2 cents on Druid.
Firstly, you don't know what to Mulligan against, and that SEVERELY impacts your ability to fight the opponents deck. If you guess wrong, you're often hosed right then and there. So that is an unfair advantage that Druid has vs the rest of the classes (most others do not have multiple, polar opposite, oppressive archetypes).
Secondly, Druid is master of the "choose 1," which is a HUGE situational advantage vs your opponent. You can do what you need to do, based on the flavor of your hand and what you are up against.
Thirdly, the amount of card draw is insane. Back to my earlier point about having options, and being able to choose based on the situation. It is not a quantifiable figure, but it is worth something.
Fourthly, our "counter card," skulking Geist, isn't even that great unless you're playing a heavy control deck. The oppressiveness of jade Druid's infinite power is of course what a lot of people complain about. But it is VERY rare that a game even goes that long. People splash Geist into their decks and expect to steamroll Jade Druid.
Even with the rest of the decks popping up to counter jade Druid, its honestly just like midrange shaman - even your "counters" are basically a coin flip, and that's not how a counter should work. It should be 55-60% favored. Not an auto win, not a coin flip, but an ADVANTAGE.
TL;DR Nerf Druid pls