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Always Hunters. Always Huffers.
Money isn't really the issue.
The problem is that CCGs require both cards, and skill.
As an arena player, coming back to play after a long while this week, at rank 23 -- TWENTYTHREE -- I encountered three quest rogues in 5 games.
Before rank 20.
Playing a randomly put together Dragon Priest.
One of the 5 first players I played had only basic cards.
...crushing him just felt bad.
Returning players with great collections and skill face entirely new players in a competetive PvP game.
...
Imagine if League of Legends pitted max level accounts with maxed rune pages and masteries piloted by challenger players against completely new players in half their games.
...
Solutions that actually work:
Don't force new players to play against -- not players who have paid -- but players who have a thousand times their experience, and collections to match their time played.
Compare to fighting, if you will.
PvP is a fight.
Hearthstone is like a fighting tournament where new fighters with practically zero training randomly are paired up with MMA stars.
Blizzard needs to start treating Hearthstone like a sport:
You need tiers of play.
New players need a safe zone where they don't face several 1000+ hour players in a row.
You pay for access to the content, you cant access to all the content because it emulates a tcg, so you gotta take your time and money to unlock it all. If it would have been a 20$ entrance fee would have been awesome, but, its too late for that.
And talking about the phisicality issue... it doesnt matter, you are having fun, you are using the cards, and they have an impact in your gaming experience, they are real, they exist, maybe not in paper, but, they do exist. And, the argument that one day the servers will go down is ludacris, obvious stuff is obvious. Do you buy 2 or 3 drinks at a bar on a weekend thinking that you will take those drinks forever phisically with you? Do you pay to enter a museum thinking that you will take the whole museum back home? Of course not, you would be stupid if you think that! Me and my gf buy 15 packs per weekend to have fun, as we go out and have some drinks, to have fun. Things aren't for ever, but memories are. When playing this game, and having fun and epic matchs we are building memories to laugh on the future.
It would be unfair if people who didnt pay cash have the same stuff that people that pay has. That's unfair. I would have gone to have even more drinks if that was the case, because i would have all the cards either way.
If you want to play a CCG, play a CCG and follow the logic of a CCG, if not, buy a closed full game like thalisman or D&D. Or even better, play MTG only with friends and print all the card you need! (before moving, we played mtg this way with my friends against us, it was so awesome!, and a full deck was worth something like 5 USD including the deck protectors and high quality printings!)
To everyone saying blizzard needs to create match making favourable for new players please read this link:
http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/191995-if-the-new-player-experience-is-a-problem-give?page=4#c74
Also, for tiers it's already been created the 5 rank lockout. Most top 10% players begin each month ranks 19-16 and can't even be present in r20+.
The point of this post though is for some posters to stop complaining over things that are in game already and maybe to get a little more informed.
i would rather pay to go to the museum. If not, I'll see it on Youtube. Hearthstone works the same way, if you want to experience it, pay for it or grind really slowly for it, if not, watch streamers.
I feel like people have a misconception of the new player experience... What I mean is a lot of people assume every new player is a free to play player which definitely isn't the case. The game is fine and you can use a basic deck to get to rank 20 with time. I remember being hooked when I first started playing hearthstone a few years back and ya it took time but I learned all the new cards I used my own decks that I thought were sooo epic (it definitely wasn't) and I had fun. Not all, infact I'd venture to argue most players don't start Hearthstone or any new game for that matter not spending a single dollar and ask "Okay, where is the legend rank button?" Any console game and most PC games you want are going to cost 60$s it isn't absurd to think that if you want to unlock the full experience you would do the same in most games.
-EDIT-
So I've seen this theme a lot in this thread, and the people objecting to the entirety of Classic being given to new players because they paid isn't something that needs to be looked down on; I think it's reasonable to object to something being made free that you may have spent a lot of money on. Even if some people are completely fine with accepting that kind of change, it's no reason to demonize those who don't feel that way.
Another thing I've seen thrown around is that Hearthstone is now more expensive than Magic? I'm not quite sure that's the case outside of casual gameplay, but I'd love to see what numbers people are basing that off of. Like seriously, if you have a link to what people are referencing I'd love to see it since it's intriguing if true.
Articles I suggest every player reads to improve at the game;
MTG/Hearthstone biases to avoid
Reframing negative Hearthstone experiences to improve at the game
Who's the Beatdown?
New player here....
And okay, I spent a bit of money, but not much at all and I'm currently rank 12 in standard n my first ever season. Based on time left this month v the time I spend playing - I expect to reach around rank 8.
I don't see a problem with the new player experience. As a newer player, one cannot expect to be super competitive against old timers in any game or sport in the world. That's just normal. More upsetting for me is to not have the access or ability to craft cards that were available in the past that others do have in their collections - but that's the design of the game and I can live with that.
Overall, I can call myself a very happy new player 😆
playing wild
~nomad
Just give new new players for 2-3 months a classic pack a day for login/win ( wont take quest slot) and all other players for 1 month so they wont whine. It should be nice boost to new guys.
@freshdues; no, the complaint is very much that purely from a cost perspective Hearthstone is getting more expensive to pay for than Magic and play. It really doesn't have much to do with the secondary market, strictly that packs of 5 cards in Hearthstone are now apparently in line with 15 card packs in Magic for cost. Looking at prices for things like Mythics it also looks like the most expensive playsets are about $60 in Magic which means deckbuilding costs might be lower than they were before, and I was wondering if there was some kind of write-up out there somewhere accurately comparing costs for competitive decks in both games.
People insisting you can't compare HS to Magic are still using justification that I don't think particularly applies, and it's frustrating to say the least to keep repeating this, but you absolutely can and should be comparing the two. They're both the same genre, they both fill similar niches, and for many people one or other has been a complete replacement for their card game of choice. There is definitely a difference in trading/buying/selling, but while the argument you can trade or sell cards in Magic is viable most cards simply are not worth anything at all and prices vary based solely on competitive value. In Hearthstone I might not be able to get real money for anything, but every single card dusts for the same amount no matter how viable the card is. I can also grind every single card in the game for literally no cost to me, something that's much more difficult for the average player to do in Magic. In the end, both of them have pros/cons and compete for my dollars because I want to play card games and those are two of the best on the market.
Magic vs Hearthstone isn't an apples vs oranges conversation, it's a granny smith vs fuji apples conversation. Both different enough that people will generally pick one that they like better, but they're both still being sold to people in the market for apples.
Articles I suggest every player reads to improve at the game;
MTG/Hearthstone biases to avoid
Reframing negative Hearthstone experiences to improve at the game
Who's the Beatdown?
New player who is willing to support the game with money: Probably going to be pretty darned happy
New player who thinks he should never have to pay a dime but should still easily make it to Legend: Not going to be happy, does not count as a customer, Blizzard can safely ignore
New player who doesn't plan to spend money but accepts that this means he will probably lose a lot of games: Probably OK
New player who thinks his win rate should be higher than 50 percent when he hasn't even learned the game: Doesn't understand the world around him, should probably be locked up for his own safety
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
As said before, it's extremely unfair to veteran players. The best solution is doing what you said in your original post and then refunding ALL classic cards owned by players, whilst giving them a full collection as well (which Blizzard would never do).