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Many good points in the above post. We finally thought we were about to get over the hump that was pirate warrior, and now we have the same thing all over again (and ironically more pirate warriors). When the majority of games aren't even getting close turn 10, there is a problem.

I disagree, Pirate Warrior was a much healthier deck for the game than Quest Rogue is. You should be calling QR the new and even more retarded Jade Druid.

 Quest rogue is so beatable and they rarely finish the quest in 3 turns so that you still have a reasonable chance to win. I beat them as a priest 80% of the time. Pirates were broken but now I have a versatile match against them.

I beat Quest Cavern rogue 90% of the time WITH Pirate Warrior.  So no Pirate Warrior is STILL Pirate Warrior! lol

@Kneebiter; I haven't had any problems having games get to 10 playing Taunt Warrior, and I expect as that list gets refined we'll see things slow down a lot more. Handlock looks like it's back to stay, Silence Priest is amusingly supposed to be pretty good. In games where both decks are fast I don't see a problem with the game not being extended until turn 10, because both people are opting for an aggressive strategy as it is.

People are completely overreacting to an underdeveloped meta, like how they did in Old Gods. Remember how C'Thun Druid and N'Zoth Paladin were going to eat everyone's lunch?

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I disagree, Pirate Warrior was a much healthier deck for the game than Quest Rogue is. You should be calling QR the new and even more retarded Jade Druid.

In what way is Pirate Warrior more healthier than QR? You would just play super buffed pirates + high damage weapons and smorc yourself to victory. The thing is that if you play QR, if you don't draw bounces you will lose because you have nothing to play, and the thing about finishing your quest by turn 3 is only if you get a minion and Shadowstep 2x and then play brewmaster (which barely ever happeneds). In normal cases I finish the quest by turn 4-5 and play it in turn 5-6 but compared to Pirate Warrior I would be dead during those turns.

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Title says it all. Seems like the quest is getting done by turn 4 or 5 with several 5/5's with charge the following turn. Patches on steroids is pretty common.

Anyone having consistent luck against this rogue deck? If so, *sincere* pointers would be welcome.

 Board clears. 

I made a midrange Quest Rogue before hearing about what a menace they were with charge minions (I prefer fire elementals to boars and pirates because I am civilized). They're really not that bad. Just keep the board clear and they have nothing. 

It's worth noting that I lose to pirate Warrior (and Taunt quest warrior) constantly, too, if you want to play that scum. 

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I disagree, Pirate Warrior was a much healthier deck for the game than Quest Rogue is. You should be calling QR the new and even more retarded Jade Druid.

In what way is Pirate Warrior more healthier than QR? You would just play super buffed pirates + high damage weapons and smorc yourself to victory. The thing is that if you play QR, if you don't draw bounces you will lose because you have nothing to play, and the thing about finishing your quest by turn 3 is only if you get a minion and Shadowstep 2x and then play brewmaster (which barely ever happeneds). In normal cases I finish the quest by turn 4-5 and play it in turn 5-6 but compared to Pirate Warrior I would be dead during those turns.

 In the sense that aggro decks have been a part of the meta since card games were first invented. Obviously when they are as powerful as PW became after MSOG(I actually liked playing the deck before then, when it was actually balanced but still good) it becomes a problem, but the archetype itself is a perfectly valid choice of a deck, as it has easy counters that don't involve building a deck that is literally teched to beat it(again, assuming they don't become too powerful).

QR is just a deck that has no business existing. You either kill them before turn 5(you know, thereby further encouraging people to run the hyper aggro decks you all despise so much) or you just lose the game. Period. It doesn't take any sort of user input to function, it is purely based around how well you draw from turn one.

So yes, I do maintain that PW was a far more healthy deck to the game, at least in the comparative sense.

If we look before Un'goro was released then Pirate Warrior was just like QR is now since there were very few decks that could deal with it. Now when we do have cards like Golakka Crawler and Gluttonous Ooze I would say that PW is pretty balanced since you could just tech you deck in order to deal with it, however that doesn't change the fact that Pirate Warrior did require you to play decks like Dragon Priest to deal with their obnoxious early game and if we compare that to how QR is now then they aren't that different. 

The thing though about Pirate Warrior is that if you deck isn't teched against it then the archetype is just as it was back during MSoG.

So in a way I still don't think PW is healthier than QR but more the same.

Its not fun at all.  roque quest should be at least 5 times play one card.

Funny how ppl always complain about FOTM but never about the fact that warrior has been a tier 1 class pretty much since the beta ended...

C'mon I just played 15 games 9 pirate warrior,4 taunt warrior,1 priest,1 warlock....FFS it's so boring...

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warrior has ben a tier 1 class pretty much since the beta ended...

I haven't played the expansion yet, but isn't quest rogue countered by taunt warrior, early board control, and quest priest if they can pop off Lyra before they die?

The worst time for warrior was secret pala meta and even then it was ok

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The worst time for warrior was secret pala meta and even then it was ok

My suspicion is that quest rogue will either have some significant changes, or it will end up falling to tier 2/3.  It gets beaten really consistently by aggressive decks, and it is actually entirely possible to beat it a reasonable percentage of the time with a control deck built correctly.  I think it is good, and I hope it stays good, because it is actually an extremely different and interesting to play archetype.  But I doubt it will be the top meta deck.

Most popular lists are to greedy and just go all in on the quest with useless cards like stonedusk boar and such. Since the beginning I've been playing rogue quest like another win condition and it's impressive the winrate.

All I see is people complaining about Rogue when its countered so easily rofl.

I literally didn't lose a single game to Quest Rogue with my Aggro Mage list from 15 to 5.

Use the meta to your advantage instead of complaining about it.

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My suspicion is that quest rogue will either have some significant changes, or it will end up falling to tier 2/3.  It gets beaten really consistently by aggressive decks, and it is actually entirely possible to beat it a reasonable percentage of the time with a control deck built correctly.  I think it is good, and I hope it stays good, because it is actually an extremely different and interesting to play archetype.  But I doubt it will be the top meta deck.

Every Rogue I play gets 2 Shadowsteps and the Panda in their early hands.  It's ridiculous.  This whole thing is ridiculous.  Definitely needs to be adjusted.  I couldn't believe it was only 4 required.  Should be 5.  By the way, I crafted it and joined the party so I'm not just salty from the standpoint of not being able to use it.