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The game is free to play, not free to have everything. Blizzard is a company and companies exist to make money. They love to have the F2P players, but those players don't keep them in business at the end of the day. You can reasonably play Hearthstone without spending a dime and still have a decent collection and be able to build a variety of decks. If you are expecting you should have more than that without spending any money you're delusional and overly entitled.

The problem is the reward structure for Constructed is under-rewarding and a complete mess. If you're a good Arena player you can be F2P easily like myself...I've gotten thousands of packs from Arena, plus all the gold and card rewards on top. It's only hard being f2p if your a bad player.

 I completely agree that the reward structure for Constructed is lacking. Unless you're a streamer or trying to break out as a pro there is little incentive to spend all the time grinding ranks just to get what amounts to a tiny bit of extra dust.

stop playing arena now. you get MSG pack is useless. 70% auto turn to dust. and if you already have the card=100% dust.

save 1st. play when new expansion released. 

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The game is free to play, not free to have everything. Blizzard is a company and companies exist to make money. They love to have the F2P players, but those players don't keep them in business at the end of the day. You can reasonably play Hearthstone without spending a dime and still have a decent collection and be able to build a variety of decks. If you are expecting you should have more than that without spending any money you're delusional and overly entitled.

The problem is the reward structure for Constructed is under-rewarding and a complete mess. If you're a good Arena player you can be F2P easily like myself...I've gotten thousands of packs from Arena, plus all the gold and card rewards on top. It's only hard being f2p if your a bad player.

 I completely agree that the reward structure for Constructed is lacking. Unless you're a streamer or trying to break out as a pro there is little incentive to spend all the time grinding ranks just to get what amounts to a tiny bit of extra dust.

 There's not supposed to be much of an external reward. Climbing the ladder is for people who are intrinsically motivated to compete and achieve. If that's not you, you're probably better off in casual or just playing with friends.

This is a GAME. You're supposed to play it because it's FUN, not because someone hands you a cookie every time you win.

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 I enjoy the game and play plenty in ranked and casual (when I'm testing out ideas or just building goofy decks). One of the gripes I have is that you can't work your way towards golden heroes by playing anything except Ranked. So if you want to collect all the cool stuff in the game you have to go grind the ladder at some point. The tiny 5-15 dust they give you is just a laughable amount of dust to even bother giving. They should just replace that with another gold common or maybe a pack. It wouldn't cost them much to swap that out to help the F2P players, which is what the topic of this thread is about. I don't believe F2P players should easily get everything, but it couldn't hurt to use that as another way to support them.

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There's this one thing, that really annoys me when we talk f2p/p2w in Hearthstone, and that is the fact, that people for some reason expect to play a fullpowered game, without investing anything in it.

You are more than welcome to complain about p2w games, such as Street Fighter x Tekken, where you - besides having payed the price of a full game - could pay further for gameplay enhancements, that would give you an unfair advantage in PvP, because that is a obvious example of the gamedevelopers who speculate in how to disrupt the fair play in a multiplayer setting, in order to make profit.

In Hearthstone, you haven't payed for more than you are willing to, but still have full access to the game. Even further, the game actually gives you rewards so you can save money. The payoff is time, but you aren't forced, and you can in theory still get all the legendarys you need in one pack, and superior epics and rares in the next. 

But you chose the option to play the slow route, instead of investing in the game - exactly like you do with any other game, paying for it. And because people pay for it, Blizzard continues to develop on it, and that is the main reason only. 

Actually we'll get 7 of them ... day 8- 14 IMO are in case that more time will be needed to launch new expansion :)

arena is really gambling. And you just waste the gold to get MSG pack. Amd very hard for us to learn arena due to limited gold. 1 bad run = waiting 2-3 day for next run. Even you grind up 100 gold+ quest . You also can 1 run per day. Basically you earn nothing at the end ig you unlucky.

to become better , you need to grind arena. Pro arena streamer have grind mote than 1k games to become good arena player. Impossible to f2p player to learn.

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arena is really gambling. And you just waste the gold to get MSG pack. Amd very hard for us to learn arena due to limited gold. 1 bad run = waiting 2-3 day for next run. Even you grind up 100 gold+ quest . You also can 1 run per day. Basically you earn nothing at the end ig you unlucky.

to become better , you need to grind arena. Pro arena streamer have grind mote than 1k games to become good arena player. Impossible to f2p player to learn.

I gotta have to say if you are willing to disenchant all wild cards, you are very much able to survive as a free 2 play player. But what's the idea of disenchanting all your hardly grinded cards?!?

I don't care, it doesn't matter. Already stopped playing Hearthstone for good, because what Blizz is doing here is a huge joke. Playing yugioh now and that's way better than anything else. Even the AI's you're playing are way better than whatever. Like the adventure bosses could have been pirate warriors and shamans and THAT would be a challenge to beat those guys

If you are smart and lucky with your daily quests and only play ladder you can make around 5K gold every month. Relax people you'll still be able to get the new cards.

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if you want to save gold stop playing the arena, it's that easy.

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I gotta have to say if you are willing to disenchant all wild cards, you are very much able to survive as a free 2 play player. But what's the idea of disenchanting all your hardly grinded cards?!?

I don't care, it doesn't matter. Already stopped playing Hearthstone for good, because what Blizz is doing here is a huge joke. Playing yugioh now and that's way better than anything else. Even the AI's you're playing are way better than whatever. Like the adventure bosses could have been pirate warriors and shamans and THAT would be a challenge to beat those guys

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In the end: YES it is a ripoff-year. No Adventure, removals of evergreen cards, standard... it all shows that blizzard want to make quick cash with hearthstone. Maybe the revenue weren't as good as expected with Meme Streets of Gadgetzan, so they need to find ways for profit maximizing. This and the LAZYNESS of blizzard to create meaningful and good cards and stick with aggro aggro and aggro (and always giving aggro tools to go faster and faster while control giving absolutely nothing except lategame minions that NOBODY can play) and especially the unwillingness to change cards before the game gets permanently damaged shows that all what the hearthstone-team care is money.

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In the end: YES it is a ripoff-year. No Adventure, removals of evergreen cards, standard... it all shows that blizzard want to make quick cash with hearthstone. Maybe the revenue weren't as good as expected with Meme Streets of Gadgetzan, so they need to find ways for profit maximizing. This and the LAZYNESS of blizzard to create meaningful and good cards and stick with aggro aggro and aggro (and always giving aggro tools to go faster and faster while control giving absolutely nothing except lategame minions that NOBODY can play) and especially the unwillingness to change cards before the game gets permanently damaged shows that all what the hearthstone-team care is money.

 You realize that your accusations contradict themselves? If Team 5's goal was to require the average payer to pay as much as possible to be competitive, they would make Reno or other very expensive decks the flavor of the month, because they require players to acquire more valuable cards. In the same vein, often changing cards would require players to have a larger collection, as more cards would go in and out of flavor.

So please, the next time you come up with conspiracy theories, make at least sure that they are internally consistent. 

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I gotta have to say if you are willing to disenchant all wild cards, you are very much able to survive as a free 2 play player. But what's the idea of disenchanting all your hardly grinded cards?!?

I don't care, it doesn't matter. Already stopped playing Hearthstone for good, because what Blizz is doing here is a huge joke. Playing yugioh now and that's way better than anything else. Even the AI's you're playing are way better than whatever. Like the adventure bosses could have been pirate warriors and shamans and THAT would be a challenge to beat those guys

You're trolling right?! You stopped playing Hearthstone cause Blizzard is a joke and you went to Konami?! If that's true you've made my day dude...  Seriously, Blizzard sucks at balancing their game,but even if they take ages to do the most obvious things I still think the developers actually care a little bit about their players (I mean I just can't believe Ben Brode wants just to make more money and doesn't care about people having fun)... Konami on the other hand hasn't released a banlist in 8 months (and there's no word on it being released anytime soon) the meta is more fucked up than ever with a single Deck making 70% of it and that we all know isn't going to be hit cause its set just came out and they need to make money out of it.... Also,only God knows what will happen when that new mechanic gets here... C'mon you've got to be kidding, Yugioh is the king of powercreep,awful card design and it's owned by the greediest company ever.... I just can't believe you really think it's better than Hearthstone....  

I was wondering what freebies we might get with the new year.  Sort of how we got C'thun for free last time.  My guess is that they might just give us a Quest, or maybe all of them.  Or maybe give us a quest to earn a Quest.  Something to get the cards into the hands of new players.

Just wild speculation.  But, it would certainly make the set more affordable.

There is a big difference between "free to play" and "free to have a complete and quickly up to date collection"

I did an experiment yesterday and rolled a free to play account as I couldn't remember what the new player experience was like or how long it would take to make any sort of competitive deck.

In short it took a couple of hours

After playing through the into and the MSG quests I was able to make a pretty good attempt at a Jade Druid (also ran a small C'thun package of 2X Beckoner of Evil, 1 X dark arakkoa & C'thun to fill some gaps and because it entertained me) I got from rank 25-18 in short order (to be clear I'm not HS genius and rarely get beyond rank 12-10) so was happy that I could hit rank 15 if I put the time in.

From here on out I'm sure it will be hard going to fill out the missing cards from this or any other Tier 1/2 deck as I only intend to do the daily quest and run arena whenever I hit 150g (I tend to average 3-4 wins so feel like this is a profit) but to suggest FTP is RIP... I think isn't true.

Looking forward to the freebies coming our way at the launch of Un'Goro as they seem pretty good (better than MSG but maybe less than Old Gods still?)

Either way I'm keen to see how it plays out

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I gotta have to say if you are willing to disenchant all wild cards, you are very much able to survive as a free 2 play player. But what's the idea of disenchanting all your hardly grinded cards?!?

I don't care, it doesn't matter. Already stopped playing Hearthstone for good, because what Blizz is doing here is a huge joke. Playing yugioh now and that's way better than anything else. Even the AI's you're playing are way better than whatever. Like the adventure bosses could have been pirate warriors and shamans and THAT would be a challenge to beat those guys

You're trolling right?! You stopped playing Hearthstone cause Blizzard is a joke and you went to Konami?! If that's true you've made my day dude...  Seriously, Blizzard sucks at balancing their game,but even if they take ages to do the most obvious things I still think the developers actually care a little bit about their players (I mean I just can't believe Ben Brode wants just to make more money and doesn't care about people having fun)... Konami on the other hand hasn't released a banlist in 8 months (and there's no word on it being released anytime soon) the meta is more fucked up than ever with a single Deck making 70% of it and that we all know isn't going to be hit cause its set just came out and they need to make money out of it.... Also,only God knows what will happen when that new mechanic gets here... C'mon you've got to be kidding, Yugioh is the king of powercreep,awful card design and it's owned by the greediest company ever.... I just can't believe you really think it's better than Hearthstone....  

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I gotta have to say if you are willing to disenchant all wild cards, you are very much able to survive as a free 2 play player. But what's the idea of disenchanting all your hardly grinded cards?!?

I don't care, it doesn't matter. Already stopped playing Hearthstone for good, because what Blizz is doing here is a huge joke. Playing yugioh now and that's way better than anything else. Even the AI's you're playing are way better than whatever. Like the adventure bosses could have been pirate warriors and shamans and THAT would be a challenge to beat those guys

You're trolling right?! You stopped playing Hearthstone cause Blizzard is a joke and you went to Konami?! If that's true you've made my day dude...  Seriously, Blizzard sucks at balancing their game,but even if they take ages to do the most obvious things I still think the developers actually care a little bit about their players (I mean I just can't believe Ben Brode wants just to make more money and doesn't care about people having fun)... Konami on the other hand hasn't released a banlist in 8 months (and there's no word on it being released anytime soon) the meta is more fucked up than ever with a single Deck making 70% of it and that we all know isn't going to be hit cause its set just came out and they need to make money out of it.... Also,only God knows what will happen when that new mechanic gets here... C'mon you've got to be kidding, Yugioh is the king of powercreep,awful card design and it's owned by the greediest company ever.... I just can't believe you really think it's better than Hearthstone....  

 Yugioh Pro is a free app where all players have all the cards at any given time and as far as i know Konami does have people working in that app, that's how they avoid the Yugiohpro team programming and releasing cards  as soon as theya re revealed and before they are released in Japan,