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 Average player could not get Legend regardless how many hours will he play or what deck he will use.

 And yet, based off of some of the comments on this thread there certainly seem to be a fair amount of average players who are apparently hitting legend.
Go figure. ^_^

 Just define "average" or "bad" player.

I mean, if you play a Pirate Warrior on the ladder how on earth can you even play BAD?! It is almost impossible! The deck plays itself.

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 Average player could not get Legend regardless how many hours will he play or what deck he will use.

 And yet, based off of some of the comments on this thread there certainly seem to be a fair amount of average players who are apparently hitting legend.
Go figure. ^_^

 Just define "average" or "bad" player.

I mean, if you play a Pirate Warrior on the ladder how on earth can you even play BAD?! It is almost impossible! The deck plays itself.

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 Average player could not get Legend regardless how many hours will he play or what deck he will use.

 And yet, based off of some of the comments on this thread there certainly seem to be a fair amount of average players who are apparently hitting legend.
Go figure. ^_^

 Just define "average" or "bad" player.

I mean, if you play a Pirate Warrior on the ladder how on earth can you even play BAD?! It is almost impossible! The deck plays itself.

 It's apparently not that hard to play pirate warrior badly, I see a shitload of bad plays while laddering. It's usually lack of understanding about how to play different matchups that's the problem. Aggro vs aggro being pretty much an all-out board control game seems to be especially hard to grasp. 

Yesterday I had a pirate warrior trade into my azure drake (while playing miracle) with his 7/3 arcanite reaper. I was at 23 health, he just shy of 30 and drake was the only minion on board. No burn was used whatsoever on his part up to this point. You'd think a monkey would understand to go face in this situation, but apparently not. This was at rank 3.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/184339-the-difference-between-skill-floor-and-skill-gap

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I think it's time and skill, people's egos would like to believe that only it's a time-issue, whereas not everyone could achieve an over 50% winrate against the top 2% of players (when you're past rank 5), of course time plays a role in the end. I think skills matters a lot, I'm a rank 5 player and I'm still making a decent amount of mistakes, not playing focused etc. and my opponents are doing the same, though the higher you play the less free wins you get, there are differences between rank 15-10-5 and I assume legend. Some of you are thinking that they play near perfect/perfect, maybe you're just blind to the mistakes you make, just like the noobs you crush at rank 20/16, they probably think they play well. It's just more pleasant to blame a low rank due to a lack of time rather than a lack of skill.

Time + skill + luck :D

That kind of depends on how you look at it. If you have 51-55% winrate on your way to legend, then yes, I would say that it was greatly because of time that you eventually got legend. But there are quite a few players that have a winrate well above that. I, for instance, had a 67% winrate to legend last season. I'm guessing that it took me a bit less than 150 games. With an average of 6 minutes per game, that's 15 hours of gameplay in a month. Was it really 75% time that took me to legend? I think most people can spare 15 hours in a month.

I think it's mostly time but between rank 15 player one that fight all month to get there and a Legend player the difference is not only time but huge skill wall as well. I have friends who play the game since beta and the best that they ever reach is rank 10. On the other hand I play from 1 year and finally hit legend in December however I hit rank 5 every month since May 2016. Time is a huge factor if you can reach rank 5. But if you can't then you are lacking skill as well. What a player able to reach legend do that normal players don't. They track there games, they know what they are facing each game, they know there deck inside out, they know what outs they have and what is there game plan. Legend players know why there win rate is going down, they know when to switch decks, they know there opponent deck and know around what cards to play. Legend players know what mulligan mean and mulligan for there best opening for example dropping Tunnel Trog on turn 1 against RenoLock is great play but is disaster play against warrior or rogue. Legend players know that. Legend players trade optimally for example with rogue on turn 2 they attack STB not Patch the pirate. Overall there is a lot of skill but time is also a factor it took me 277 games to reach legend last month and will probably took me more this month as my winrate is 2% lower. 

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That kind of depends on how you look at it. If you have 51-55% winrate on your way to legend, then yes, I would say that it was greatly because of time that you eventually got legend. But there are quite a few players that have a winrate well above that. I, for instance, had a 67% winrate to legend last season. I'm guessing that it took me a bit less than 150 games. With an average of 6 minutes per game, that's 15 hours of gameplay in a month. Was it really 75% time that took me to legend? I think most people can spare 15 hours in a month.

 What if you dont play cancer decks? Destined to not hitting legend?

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That kind of depends on how you look at it. If you have 51-55% winrate on your way to legend, then yes, I would say that it was greatly because of time that you eventually got legend. But there are quite a few players that have a winrate well above that. I, for instance, had a 67% winrate to legend last season. I'm guessing that it took me a bit less than 150 games. With an average of 6 minutes per game, that's 15 hours of gameplay in a month. Was it really 75% time that took me to legend? I think most people can spare 15 hours in a month.

 What if you dont play cancer decks? Destined to not hitting legend?

 Well what is a "cancer deck" to you? Aggro? Meta decks? I used miracle rogue from 5 to legend. But if you use "fun" decks, it's gonna be pretty damn hard to get to legend nowadays.

 Cancer is Pirate aggro decks. Playing with my jaina was though these days against Pwarrior at every single rank. U get a winstreak and get a PWarrior on ur way, get crushed, close hs. Forget abt ladder, play adventures VoHiYo.

agreed, just like even more so in games like poker.

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80% win rate is around top 10 to 20 legend. top 100 just require 60% winrate

 Where do you see this information?

Time is an issue along with skill and randomness.  I hit rank 5 every month.....I have been legend, so don't have the desire to grind it again.  There are days when I can't lose, because RNG gods are with me and matchups are great. There are days I can't win because RNG gods are against me and matchups are horrible.  

Yesterday was a bad day.  Lost 2 ranks. Today will be better and I'll climb 2 ranks, but then due to time, I'll stop.  So, it's all related, but having skill allows you to beat bad odds and bad matchups occasionally making the time needed less.  I know I'm a very good player, but not a great player.  Part of that is I'm always watching TV while I play, so I make mistakes here and there.  If I focused on the game, I'm sure I could do better, but still most days an hour is all I get and some days none at all.  You do need time.