My name is Eric. I am 33 years old working adult with lots of experience on MTG previously. I have been playing HS more than a year now. I have over 7000 rank & 1000 Arena wins with 5 golden heroes and Legend card back. So far I have spent $500 (Australian) for this game. I wasn't after golden cards I was just trying collect all available cards in the game. I am a working adult and money is not a issue for me. I had spend almost all the money before Blizzard announced that they would start to rotate cards out from Standard. Since then I haven't spend a cent on this game. I have almost complete collection. You can check my collection if you like http://www.hearthpwn.com/members/formulas666/collection
I think Heartstone is by far the most hostile f2p models that I've ever played. I know you veteran F2P players have been saving up for upcoming Adventures and new card packs. You guys can also disenchant your rotated out cards on1/8 rate to be competitive in Standard to keep on track (painfully). But if you do then the loss in dust terms will be huge. So F2P players will progressively lose their collections while not F2P players will spend more money than now. Unless you play 5-6 hours a day, you have no chance to catch up with this new rotation system.
I would also like to point out that this is a game based on luck, and random factors. Reaching legend has nothing to do with skill. It's just time you need. Time to play thousands of games. And all you get for the hours of (maybe frustrating after some time) your life is a card-back. If my opponent gets the perfect start hand - what you can see in the first two to three turns, i just give up and play another round. I don't care about my rank anymore. Since it's just a random effect that makes you lose (huge win streaks, huge loss streaks) it has nothing to do with skill, so i'm not angry if I lose, its just luck. But also i'm not happy if I win, because I was just the lucky guy then.
Never forget that Blizzard intentionally keeps this game casual. They don't care about the balance or the players as long as they make money. The card you spend money on will rotate out and you need to keep buying new Adventures and Expansions in order to be competitive. Unless you play 5-6 hours a day, you have no chance to catch up with this punishing rotation system. Moreover prizes are not worth of any grinding either. Current rank system is a joke. Unless you use Tier decks you have almost no way of reaching Rank 5.
I reach almost every season Rank 5 without even trying. I don't care about the Rank or winning/losing I just want to enjoy the game. I like to try funny decks, different decks, unusual decks. I use cards no-one even tried before. This game is good cause I can play casually anytime and anywhere on any platform (iPad, mobile phone, laptop etc.) These days I exclusively play Arena, this is the only part of the game still keeps me going. And I will be playing as long as i'm happy with it.So my advice for newbies; You can watch Hafu, Kripp & Merps to learn Arena and focus on Arena or just play casual whenever you can. DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY ON THIS GAME. This game is not worth it.
You don't need to play 5-6 hours a day to have a competitive collection. Just play for 30 minutes, re-roll 40g quests, and you will easily make enough gold to get 75 packs on expansion release day and full adventure as It is released.
You don't have to dust rotated cards, you just had to be smart in what you craft, and not expect to be able to play every gimmick fotm deck that comes around.
Heck, I usually just log on during the first half of the month to create a deck of 1 drops of whatever quest I have and just do the quests. Never had an issue with my collection.
You want real advice, Newbies?
Do your research, figure out which deck sounds the most fun, watch some streamers, and craft a deck you want to play. I would avoid Reno decks, because (priest especially) they're very Legendary focused; Reno Priest needs Reno Jackson, Kazakus, Nexus-Champion Saraad, Beardo, and Confessor Paletress. That's alot of dust.
Everyone has right to spend (or waste) his/her money the way they chose. Being F2P means being stingy with crafting, logging daily to complete or reroll quests and playing fewer decks.
Spending money is a bad idea if someone thinks it sets you for more than 3-6 months.
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I have been playing HS more than a year now. I have over 7000 rank & 1000 Arena wins with 5 golden heroes and Legend card back.
All the best guys
ERIC
I have been playing since beta. I have roughly 3000 ranked wins and 2500 arena wins and 2 golden heroes. Still missing some legendarys, but I have all the important (and most of the non-inportant ones) cards. I spent a bit less than £100 on the game so far.
I look at it another way...instead of wasting my money on a beer and drinks friday-saturday nights i buy an adventure or maybe a few packs (mostly when they release a new expansion, i prebuy the 50 pack).
Those money spent will give me more then a few crazy hours a Friday or Saturday night, atleast for me this makes sence being married with children. (a teenager without a GF might have other priorities).
I played MTG before and i can tell you that is a far worse game when it comes to staying competetive moneywize.
I play the game like op casually and reaching 5 (for the golden epic!!) every season, splitting my online time between this and LoL it would be to timeconsuming to try and grind for legend (i did a few times but gotstuck at rank 3 ish).
What i enjoy with the game is the visual experience (which is also why i liked MTG), my ultimate goal is to have a fully gold deck sometime. (without spending my life´s savings in packs :) ), but i don´t mind spending a few Euro once in a while to keep my collection up to date and able to build enjoyable decks.
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Those of us who did spend money on the game pre-any talks of rotating cards out ... have been well and truly screwed by Blizz. That is just plain fact. I would never have spent a cent had I known that was in their plans. I'm playing since Beta. They don't give a toss about loyal players, nor the quality or consistency of the game overall, considering their constant push of crappy, non interactive aggro decks.
So, I agree. In fact I would advise brand new players to just forget this game and play some fun app games instead.
He has great success in online poker and I showed him HS some months ago until he agreed to test it.
He started playing and he could understand the mechanics and gameplay very fast but his problem was his cardpool.
He just wanted to play different decks asap and money is not the problem so he asked me what to do.
In the end he bought : 50 classic packs , 50 TGT packs, 50 WotoG packs, LOE and BRM adventures (Karazhan and MsoG were not released)
splashed about 200 € and had a decent card pool + enough dust to craft some missing cards.
He never regrets it and hits rank 5 in his 3rd months (what has nothing to do with pay2win, he just understands the game mechanics very fast
and it is proofed that poker players same as chess players or MTG do have an advantage when starting HS).
So I wonder: what is wrong in splashing cash in HS after starting the game and loving the game if you do have the money anyway just to be able to play several decks ?
I don't get this elitism with the F2P model. If people don't spent money on this game, it will cease to exist.
Think of the countless hours spent playing it compared to other games and the cost is pretty manageable. It's like because something is labeled as F2P the thought of actually spending money on and supporting the game becomes insulting to a lot of players.
I've spent a lot of money on Hearthstone and I don't regret any of it. The game provides hours of entertainment, more so than a new $60 game that I might play for a few hours before I get bored of it (What's the average length of a lot of new releases, maybe 10 hours). It sounds like you don't really enjoy the game anymore, OP. That's fine, but you clearly did at one point and have more than earned that $500 back by the hours you've played. You shouldn't encourage new players to not support something just because you became bored of it.
f2p first rule craft meta deck, never craft because feel the card is cool and regret later. Daily quest and light play can get 20-25 pack per month. Around 30 min. Just concede when meet slow player. Slow deck or hopeless match up. Just concede when u draw bad instead of roping to make opponent pissed off . You waste own time only.
pay for pack is waste of money. because blizzard always plan to rotate. now they consider rotate classic card. really money eater company
Never care the win and loses. I agree with op this games 90% is totally luck. If you bad luck, tier 100 deck also can best you. Example: i play 30 murloc deck for quest. trash tier hopeless deck. i beat reno lock when they draw really bad. board clear in bottom of deck.
It is not a discussion about F2P vs P2W, it is not a discussion about expensive vs cheap model.
I think his point was: After spending the money he thinks it was not worth it. And this is the advice he giving.
I can relate, because I am currently thinking the same thing. I started this game looking for a competitive game, but was sadly disappointed. I do not want to start a discussion of Skill vs. RNG, but I think we can agree that skill makes a difference in not more than 50 percent of the time. Which is why I am disappointed, and decided not to spend any more money on this game. As I did not yet decide if I want to continue playing or give it up completely, I still play a lot to collect enough gold, to avoid having to spend further money.
The money is yours, use it the way you want. Not like anyone in here, but you, had to work for it. To spend or not to spend, thats entirely up to you. (no offense to the topic creator btw)
That said, Im sad they are going to rotate some of the classic cards. Im a new player and just when I was about to get the few ones I'm missing... :\
Sorry, I don't get the f2p entitlement thing around this game. I spend a little and don't mind subsidizing those who can't afford to, but f2p players are in the end free riders. If everyone adopted this strategy, the game would literally not exist.
As others in the thread have suggested, compared to MtG and many other phone games, the cost is miniscule to have access to basically everything this game offers.
7000 wins in 1 year might also be the reason OP is not that interested anymore. As pointed above, it represents something close to 3k hours, which is one third of a year (!)
Try and do something between two games, you'd get bored of anything at this rate.
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My name is Eric. I am 33 years old working adult with lots of experience on MTG previously. I have been playing HS more than a year now. I have over 7000 rank & 1000 Arena wins with 5 golden heroes and Legend card back. So far I have spent $500 (Australian) for this game. I wasn't after golden cards I was just trying collect all available cards in the game. I am a working adult and money is not a issue for me. I had spend almost all the money before Blizzard announced that they would start to rotate cards out from Standard. Since then I haven't spend a cent on this game. I have almost complete collection. You can check my collection if you like http://www.hearthpwn.com/members/formulas666/collection
I think Heartstone is by far the most hostile f2p models that I've ever played. I know you veteran F2P players have been saving up for upcoming Adventures and new card packs. You guys can also disenchant your rotated out cards on1/8 rate to be competitive in Standard to keep on track (painfully). But if you do then the loss in dust terms will be huge. So F2P players will progressively lose their collections while not F2P players will spend more money than now. Unless you play 5-6 hours a day, you have no chance to catch up with this new rotation system.
I would also like to point out that this is a game based on luck, and random factors. Reaching legend has nothing to do with skill. It's just time you need. Time to play thousands of games. And all you get for the hours of (maybe frustrating after some time) your life is a card-back. If my opponent gets the perfect start hand - what you can see in the first two to three turns, i just give up and play another round. I don't care about my rank anymore. Since it's just a random effect that makes you lose (huge win streaks, huge loss streaks) it has nothing to do with skill, so i'm not angry if I lose, its just luck. But also i'm not happy if I win, because I was just the lucky guy then.
Never forget that Blizzard intentionally keeps this game casual. They don't care about the balance or the players as long as they make money. The card you spend money on will rotate out and you need to keep buying new Adventures and Expansions in order to be competitive. Unless you play 5-6 hours a day, you have no chance to catch up with this punishing rotation system. Moreover prizes are not worth of any grinding either. Current rank system is a joke. Unless you use Tier decks you have almost no way of reaching Rank 5.
I reach almost every season Rank 5 without even trying. I don't care about the Rank or winning/losing I just want to enjoy the game. I like to try funny decks, different decks, unusual decks. I use cards no-one even tried before. This game is good cause I can play casually anytime and anywhere on any platform (iPad, mobile phone, laptop etc.) These days I exclusively play Arena, this is the only part of the game still keeps me going. And I will be playing as long as i'm happy with it.So my advice for newbies; You can watch Hafu, Kripp & Merps to learn Arena and focus on Arena or just play casual whenever you can. DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY ON THIS GAME. This game is not worth it.
All the best guys
ERIC
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You don't need to play 5-6 hours a day to have a competitive collection. Just play for 30 minutes, re-roll 40g quests, and you will easily make enough gold to get 75 packs on expansion release day and full adventure as It is released.
You don't have to dust rotated cards, you just had to be smart in what you craft, and not expect to be able to play every gimmick fotm deck that comes around.
Of course I don't, why the hell would I spend real money on this game?
Heck, I usually just log on during the first half of the month to create a deck of 1 drops of whatever quest I have and just do the quests. Never had an issue with my collection.
You want real advice, Newbies?
Do your research, figure out which deck sounds the most fun, watch some streamers, and craft a deck you want to play. I would avoid Reno decks, because (priest especially) they're very Legendary focused; Reno Priest needs Reno Jackson, Kazakus, Nexus-Champion Saraad, Beardo, and Confessor Paletress. That's alot of dust.
Definitely don't spend a penny on this game.
Only when they'll start losing money will they ever consider listening.
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Everyone has right to spend (or waste) his/her money the way they chose. Being F2P means being stingy with crafting, logging daily to complete or reroll quests and playing fewer decks.
Spending money is a bad idea if someone thinks it sets you for more than 3-6 months.
Playing Hearthstone in German solely for Garrosh sounds. Sieg oder Tod!
I look at it another way...instead of wasting my money on a beer and drinks friday-saturday nights i buy an adventure or maybe a few packs (mostly when they release a new expansion, i prebuy the 50 pack).
Those money spent will give me more then a few crazy hours a Friday or Saturday night, atleast for me this makes sence being married with children. (a teenager without a GF might have other priorities).
I played MTG before and i can tell you that is a far worse game when it comes to staying competetive moneywize.
I play the game like op casually and reaching 5 (for the golden epic!!) every season, splitting my online time between this and LoL it would be to timeconsuming to try and grind for legend (i did a few times but gotstuck at rank 3 ish).
What i enjoy with the game is the visual experience (which is also why i liked MTG), my ultimate goal is to have a fully gold deck sometime. (without spending my life´s savings in packs :) ), but i don´t mind spending a few Euro once in a while to keep my collection up to date and able to build enjoyable decks.
Strive for constant improvement and achieve your full potential.
Those of us who did spend money on the game pre-any talks of rotating cards out ... have been well and truly screwed by Blizz. That is just plain fact. I would never have spent a cent had I known that was in their plans. I'm playing since Beta. They don't give a toss about loyal players, nor the quality or consistency of the game overall, considering their constant push of crappy, non interactive aggro decks.
So, I agree. In fact I would advise brand new players to just forget this game and play some fun app games instead.
well here is a story of ony of my best friends:
He has great success in online poker and I showed him HS some months ago until he agreed to test it.
He started playing and he could understand the mechanics and gameplay very fast but his problem was his cardpool.
He just wanted to play different decks asap and money is not the problem so he asked me what to do.
In the end he bought : 50 classic packs , 50 TGT packs, 50 WotoG packs, LOE and BRM adventures (Karazhan and MsoG were not released)
splashed about 200 € and had a decent card pool + enough dust to craft some missing cards.
He never regrets it and hits rank 5 in his 3rd months (what has nothing to do with pay2win, he just understands the game mechanics very fast
and it is proofed that poker players same as chess players or MTG do have an advantage when starting HS).
So I wonder: what is wrong in splashing cash in HS after starting the game and loving the game if you do have the money anyway just to be able to play several decks ?
Heard of wild?
I don't get this elitism with the F2P model. If people don't spent money on this game, it will cease to exist.
Think of the countless hours spent playing it compared to other games and the cost is pretty manageable. It's like because something is labeled as F2P the thought of actually spending money on and supporting the game becomes insulting to a lot of players.
I've spent a lot of money on Hearthstone and I don't regret any of it. The game provides hours of entertainment, more so than a new $60 game that I might play for a few hours before I get bored of it (What's the average length of a lot of new releases, maybe 10 hours). It sounds like you don't really enjoy the game anymore, OP. That's fine, but you clearly did at one point and have more than earned that $500 back by the hours you've played. You shouldn't encourage new players to not support something just because you became bored of it.
f2p first rule craft meta deck, never craft because feel the card is cool and regret later. Daily quest and light play can get 20-25 pack per month. Around 30 min. Just concede when meet slow player. Slow deck or hopeless match up. Just concede when u draw bad instead of roping to make opponent pissed off . You waste own time only.
pay for pack is waste of money. because blizzard always plan to rotate. now they consider rotate classic card. really money eater company
Never care the win and loses. I agree with op this games 90% is totally luck. If you bad luck, tier 100 deck also can best you. Example: i play 30 murloc deck for quest. trash tier hopeless deck. i beat reno lock when they draw really bad. board clear in bottom of deck.
I think many miss the point of the OP.
It is not a discussion about F2P vs P2W, it is not a discussion about expensive vs cheap model.
I think his point was: After spending the money he thinks it was not worth it. And this is the advice he giving.
I can relate, because I am currently thinking the same thing. I started this game looking for a competitive game, but was sadly disappointed. I do not want to start a discussion of Skill vs. RNG, but I think we can agree that skill makes a difference in not more than 50 percent of the time. Which is why I am disappointed, and decided not to spend any more money on this game. As I did not yet decide if I want to continue playing or give it up completely, I still play a lot to collect enough gold, to avoid having to spend further money.
Actually I play this in early oct and dont know anything about this game, and i just buy welcome card pack
In the end oct i reach rank 13, my target just rank 15
In nov i reach rank 5, im so surprise
I always look for good deck and low budget, mostly is aggro deck but win is fun for newbie like me
my advice, find low budget deck but fit in this meta
The money is yours, use it the way you want. Not like anyone in here, but you, had to work for it. To spend or not to spend, thats entirely up to you. (no offense to the topic creator btw)
That said, Im sad they are going to rotate some of the classic cards. Im a new player and just when I was about to get the few ones I'm missing... :\
Sorry, I don't get the f2p entitlement thing around this game. I spend a little and don't mind subsidizing those who can't afford to, but f2p players are in the end free riders. If everyone adopted this strategy, the game would literally not exist.
As others in the thread have suggested, compared to MtG and many other phone games, the cost is miniscule to have access to basically everything this game offers.
7000 wins in 1 year might also be the reason OP is not that interested anymore. As pointed above, it represents something close to 3k hours, which is one third of a year (!)
Try and do something between two games, you'd get bored of anything at this rate.
I used to be a control player like you, then I took a quick shot to the knee.
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