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Has anyone had coaching sessions before? Did it do anything for you?
I've hit a wall in terms of my play, and wonder if being coached would help.
I was coached by our lord and savior Reynad about 4-5 months ago (back when he still offered coaching), and I quickly noticed a massive jump in my skill level. I'm not certain if other players can teach as well as/better than him, but I personally think it's worth a shot if you plan to take Hearthstone seriously.
Lost access to my internet for over a year - glad to be back :3
I would seek a lot of opinions on which players are good coaches. Being a good player does not necessarily translate into good coaching. Before forking over $50/hr (which is what most players seem to charge, give or take $10/hr), you don't want to throw that money away on somebody who is just going to play your games for you for an hour.
I've heard that Admirable is a great coach, but he's also the most expensive at $125/hr. http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/08/20/hearthstone-help-what-i-learned-from-playing-with-a-professional-coach/
Poetic.
I've never been coached (or coached anyone else), but I would say to at least seek other forms of help before taking that kind of a jump since it is very expensive.
You could either watch streams of skilled players who explain their moves. Kolento, Reynad, and Trump usually do a good job as well as some other arena players like Kripp. I used to watch Kripp a lot in the earlier days of hearthstone, and I would say that he has helped my arena runs (I don't know how much, but I did learn some stuff).
And/or you could seek out help here. I wouldn't mind giving my feedback on some arena drafts or decks or anything.
I think coaching is a great way to grow your skills. Gathering information from all available sources is always a good path, but having a coach personally break down your decisions could possibly have the most immediate impact on your growth. Not dissimilar from taking music lessons rather than learning from books, etc.
THB, this is 100% an awful idea. You need to look at it like, "what am I buying?" As far as I know there aren't any big money tournaments or anything for Hearthstone and there are plenty of people who reach legendary so you definitely aren't buying money or fame. If you are looking to get better at the game, then spend that money that you would be paying a coach on packs. You will get some nice cards and begin winning much more. Furthermore it is especially important to be aware that wins in hearthstone rely 100% on luck at times. This is not Starcraft...this is not League of Legends. You should not pay for things that aren't even guaranteed to make you better. As others have mentioned, if you just watch streams or something of the sort, you can reach the highest level in this game. Heck, even if you don't do any of that stuff, you can netdeck and just play a bunch and you will get to legend. Again, why would you pay a premium for something that is literally attainable for everyone. I can't believe there are players making money off coaching for this game. It truly is mind-blowing to me.
I have doubts that you would gain much more insight from coaching, that you couldn't just get from watching high skilled players.
Depends on how you yourself learn the best I suppose, I for one think it would be a waste for me personally.
What is this wall? Coaching sounds terrible from my perspective. If you want some insight on moves feel free to skype me oMartycakes i am on after 5pm CST. Good luck. Also, I will not charge you and I have over 10 years of ccg and tcg experience. Legend 3 seasons. So theres that. Take it easy.
Wumbo Jenkins
No: unless you are participating in a LOT of tournaments for potential cash prizes. And , well, you probably shouldn't be if you require coaching. Why would anyone fork out $50 p.h to learn a few tips, for a game that is free to play!? madness.
Brings pay2win to whole new levels.
Seeking help is always a good idea, but paying for it is totally nonsense. I mean no offense to those who already paid (or currently paying) for those, I just don't think it's an economically logical decision - though I cannot deny the fact that it MAY make you a better HS player.
"A sword doesn't need a fine lineage, it just needs to be sharp."
I personally wouldn't pay for coaching, but I do realize I've hit a wall of sorts since I've hit Rank 5 in each season since I started playing a few seasons ago but never gotten further than that. I'm planning to start watching some of the better players stream, which I've never done, but I think I must be still not playing as well as I can since I keep getting stuck at Rank 5.
That said, people pay for all sorts of virtual services. It's a value of time trade, usually. And maybe for the right person with a lot of disposable income but not the time to spend days and days of free time learning a game they want to be good at, coaching is the right call, even with a price tag.
I dont see the point on paying for something its suppose to be funy to do by yourself (and free). But if money isnt a issue for you and u want to learn to play better that badly, go for it. I spend my money on licor, ciggars and other expensive consumables and some friends say i'm crazy for that.
Yeah I confirmed this. It worked wonder for me (when I was training in other card games tho, not hearthstone, because we don't have spectator mode). We were constanstly having a third person to look at the game from a complete fresh point of view, for the sake of pointing out moves that even the 2-in-game players didn't recognize.
Pilleri covered most of it on the first page, but I just want to add:
It really helps the situation for both the coach and you if you come in with some questions. If you are informed and know what you want to learn (be it a deck, matchup, situation, whatever) it is much easier to get to the point where the coach is imparting useful information and you will learn much faster.
For me, watching Twitch is just like getting coaching. If you watch the right streamers. Players like Reynad, Realz, Trump, Otter usually take their time and explain why they are making the plays they do. They regularly take almost max time limit every turn while they talk about the possible results of the play. sometimes while watching, I will try and guess what my play would be and see how my thought process differs from theirs. When it is different, I make sure to make a mental note on that particular scenario.
You can also catch some streamers on Twitch while they are actively coaching another player and broadcasting it. Try this out and see if it helps your game. If it doesn't then you might want to try the personal coaching.
Twitch can help you understand a lot of things but it cannot replace direct feedback on your play. Understanding options and why one is the "best". You could watch 24 hours of twitch and never see some difficult situation come up. As someone who received coaching in poker a long time ago, I can tell you it definitely opened my eyes to some things I had never considered, despite watching lots of pre-recorded poker play videos (the equivalent of streaming at the time). I was actually surprised how cheap coaching is, considering how much effort goes into it. Not sure what the quality is but given how well some people communicate on their streams I imagine their coaching is pretty solid. $50 is really cheap for any working professional that has plenty of money but not a lot of time and a desire to get really good. People spend money to get all kinds of lessons (at much higher hourly rate), I don't see why hearthstone should be any different.
Personally I'm considering it. Learning a new skill takes practice, but it also takes practicing correctly. If you do the same thing wrong over and over you're only going to know how to do the incorrect thing. Having someone help point out alternate plays, or why the play you chose might not be the best could be incredible helpful.
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Card Design ChampionNo need to waste money on a coach. There are many free tutorials available and you can watch many videos and streams and learn by observing. Free lesson that will forver make you a better player in just about any game: Just inform yourself and become a better player by thinking. It really boils down to wisdom, like almost any other game. "Wisdom is key". Now to transfer that to hearthstone, just think about the following while you play:
-At which point in the game are we? What are his options on the next round(s)?
-What type of deck does my opponent play? => Which cards does he has left? => Which cards can I expect to face. => Do I have options against that available? => Should I play my option XX now, or keep it? => What cards do I have left and which options do those cards bring? (e.g. can I use my silence now or should I keep it? Will I draw into another one?)
-Consider it the other way around as well: What are his options against my cards? (e.g. Is it safe to play a Ragnaros while he has 5 cards in hand and 2 minions on the board? How many and which removals did he use? => Which cards does he has left?...)
-What does his play pattern tell me? (e.g. he pings your creature to from 4/3 to 4/2, while he could have killed a 2/1 => expect a Blizzard next tround => don't play minions with 3 or less health). Why does he trade that way? Question his every play and think about his options.
-Keep your and his mana curve in mind and set up your field. e.g. Rather play a Harvest Golem while you have Iron Dwarf in hand, than playing Iron Dwarf directly on turn 4.
-With his options in mind: What cards are key for this match up? What do I need to start with? => Mill accordingly. Other questions are do I go for face or board control? => What are his options next turn...
etc etc etc you can do that endlessly.
In the end, knowledge alone determines your judgement, your plays and therefore success (and draw luck obviously and for some cards also the random factor). "Experience" is nothing but an accumulation of "wisdom". Pro players (in just about every game) just have superior knowledge AND know how to use it effectively. Some games also have a physical component, like aiming in shooters, but that doesn't apply here. In hearthstone wisdom equals skill. You can easily become a top notch player, just by heeding the concept of "knowledge" and how to use it appropriately.
To showcase that, I can recommend to watch the "Fight Night" Hearthstone tournament series on youtube. Kripp casted them and tells you exactly what he would do or why the player did that and that.
To echo what some earlier posters said, coaching someone from being a Rank 15 player to a Rank 5 player is mostly useless, due to all of the free resources available. Coaching to take you from bottom of legend to top of legend is a more reasonable use of your money, if that's the sort of thing you value.
The real answer is...
How much do you want to improve and how important is money to you.
Its like people
that are self taught instrumentalists vs people that have had lessons.
that learned do snowboard from trial and error and people who enrolled in expensive ass lessons.
that learn diet/lifting on their own vs people that used personal nutritionists/trainers.
Someone that is short on cash will tell you hell no. someone that is rocking inheritance money may say hell yes.
Someone that is short on time will say yup. someone that has hours of free time to research game theory will say nope
Someone that cares a ton about the game and their improvement will say "lets do it". Someone that is casual with other priorities [other games, other hobbies, other obligations] will say "fuck no"
Noone is going to be able to give you an answer unless they personally know you.
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Of course paid coaching by a proper person [not a good player but someone that is a good coach, there is a difference] will help you out. Nobody can debate that. The only question is can you find the right coach and how much are you willing to spend.
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If you think about hearthstone as a hobby. How many people get golf/skiiing/wakeboarding/voice/instrument/language lessons? people get good with and without coaching. it just depends on your personal evaluation of what matters to you + how much money can you spare. Some people can afford 200/hr lessons from a pro some people cant; some people care enough to spend 200/hr for lessons, others could care less and learn it themselves.
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