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You get about 55g/day just doing dailies without rerollling.  that's 20k/year. Subtract 3500 for adventure,  and that's enough for 165 packs a year,  just from doing the minimum number of games to compete daily quests without re-rolling. 

80 packs per expansion and the adventure (plus another ~40 classic/year from tavern brawl)  is adequate to play the game up to legend.

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A other complain I have about this, other than my obsessive compulsive need to collect all the cards, is that It makes it so hard for new players to join the game.

I'm trying to convince a few friends to join the game. But knowing how many expansions they are launching, I know they won't stay, they will feel intimidated and will never see a way to catch up. When I started, it was'nt so bad, only classic and GvG were out. It was possible to make decks ignoring most GvG cards (with few exceptions), but now, try making a deck with only classic cards and see where that gets ya...

 Not sure if you even think before you comment these things

I was gonna type a lot but got lazy, just think about the amount of cards you need to play standard and the amount of card you need to play wild

It takes less than 2 months to have a base preparation for an expansion.  I say 'less' because in the past it took 2 months doing dailies + 1 '10gold quest' back when having to do 40 gold quests was more common. Now that the average has gone up ..hmmm

taking Poodris' statement of 55g/day and assuming 10 gold quest triggering, that's 65 gold a day or 455 gold a week.

For expansions, you'll want between 3000-6000 gold (60 packs being the maximum as you should be focusing on arena+dust for legendaries after that).  

Thus for a base foothold in an expansion, you'll need 6.5 weeks of pure gold grinding, assuming you play purlly casual and stop playing after you complete your daily and triggering one 10g pop.  For optimum, 13 weeks.

So as long as you can start saving 1 1/2 months before the next expansion, you'll be fine.  If you work your quests properly to minimize 50gold quests, do NOT miss a quest (as in don't let it get past 3 quests in queue).

So assuming an April expansion (which is the earliest any content has ever been (BRM was april, Old Gods in May) then if you START saving at mid February then you'll be doing fine.  

If you want the maximum BEST position you can be, at 60 packs on release, you can start saving next month, in January.  

So yeah, you can spend all of your gold right now (preferrably in arena) then start saving sometime between January and Mid February and you'll be opening 30-60 packs come next expansion.  

Also note that you'll also have the next rotation kicking in so you could, if you are still desperate, dust some BRM/TGT/LOE cards that aren't quite critical for more dust.  

Bottom line, F2Pers who are already in a semi ok spot in their collections should have no problems keeping up with the new system.  Just remember to start saving at the right time.  But if you ar ea F2Per, you should be used to that.  Beats spending 4-6 hours a day grinding just to keep up like in most games though.

Certainly tougher than before, and drop rates for legendaries are so low.   Still a FTP should be able to collect all the commons, most if not all rares, a handful of epics, and maybe a few legendaries each expansion.   So able to keep up, but maybe very limited in what they can build.  

I'm FTP and I don't feel like I'm running behind. I feel like I'm finally catching up. Started playing last year around this time and recently crafted Thalnos, bought 30+ packs with gold of MSOG and am enjoying myself in arena now, which incidentally earns me gold & MSOG packs (averaging ±6 wins). I've got a variety of viable decks I can play on ladder, reached legend for the first time in October (The grind is real, never again lol...) and I'm also liking the new cards. Can't play with all of them yet, which is why I watch streamers :) All in all, enjoying HS a lot.

If you want to be a collector, pay up.

To climb the ladder you need 3 good decks tops. You can get those by doing dailies easily. Two expansions a year is not that much, and iandakardid the math for you to proove it.

I think most complains show up at the release, when paying players have access to all cards right of the bat. After a month or so the salt washes out.

HS is still playable as F2P. OP's problem is he is not able to dedicate the time required to keep up in this mode.

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Sounds to me like it's time to adjust your priorities then. If you don't have the time to get enough gold to keep up and don't want to hand over real money, then don't. Consider not playing the game anymore if it causes problems for you. I know, that's a shitty thing to say, but such is the reality of free-to-play games. People with enough time don't have to pay anything to keep up, and people with enough money likely don't have enough time to save up gold instead anyways. That's how they get you in the end.

To answer your actual question: I had 300 gold when MSG launched because I only just finished saving up for Karazhan, so together with the packs from the quests, I opened a total of 9 (NINE!) packs on launch, and I'm doing just fine on ladder. It all depends on how much you can compensate for the lack of cards with your own ability. So, no, the game is not getting too expensive to me, because it's still easier than in any other card game to build budget decks, no matter how many expansions they release.

(Also, I would really not recommend trying to collect 100% of the cards as a F2P player, that's just insanity.)

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Can you explain to me exactly how Hearthstone got more expensive? The thing that's happening now already happened last year. WoTOG, LoE, and then ONiK. Now we're reseting. 

It is not a problem if people know how to organize their priorities.

I've collected enough gold for 60 packs, opened them, used dust gained to craft whatever is good in this expansion and now I'm saving for the next one. There is no logic in buying packs when there isn't anything that you need. Once people get that and learn how and when to start saving their gold this won't be a problem anymore :)

Neither have expansions gotten bigger, nor faster, so no, you're wrong, even if you claim that you need all the cards, which is not true.

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Neither have expansions gotten bigger, nor faster, so no, you're wrong, even if you claim that you need all the cards, which is not true.

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Neither have expansions gotten bigger, nor faster, so no, you're wrong, even if you claim that you need all the cards, which is not true.

 lol do you actually think or read before commenting ? read the post and get your shit right

meanwhile, a small magic set has around 200 cards, a big magic set has around 300 cards and each set is released every 4-5 months. And both digital/physical all you can use to buy those is real money.

HS remains as one of the cheapest CCG/TCG in the market.

Here lies the real problem for the new players. Classic cards are the backbone of many decks, and probably always will be.

Even though we have a steady influx of classic packs with Tavern Brawl, it might still be worth to buy them. You can't realistically count on opening a good legendary, but there's plenty of good epics, crafting which would cost you arm and leg. After you have all commons and rares, classic packs have better cards then expansions IMHO.

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Neither have expansions gotten bigger, nor faster, so no, you're wrong, even if you claim that you need all the cards, which is not true.

 lol do you actually think or read before commenting ? read the post and get your shit right

 Yes i have? Everything you said is wrong. Every year will have 2 expansions and 1 adventure, so it's obvious there will always be 2 expansions in a row, then an adventure, then 2 expansions and so on. Nothing of this is new.

I agree with most things you wrote but not with the last sentence. When you're not especially lucky, you need at least 60 packs and some 3-4k dust to craft missing crucial cards.

For me after 60 packs it's 6 epics (Lunar Visions, Mana Geode, Sleep with the Fishes, Brass Knuckles, Fel Orc Soulfiend and Fight Promoter) and one leg (Mayor Noggenfogger). Not too useful for most of the currently developing decks, now I'll have to decide which path to go and which leg(s) to craft, will have to use incoming gold for more MSoG packs and have only one classic pack per week from the TB to fill up my sketchy classic collection...

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I agree with most things you wrote but not with the last sentence. When you're not especially lucky, you need at least 60 packs and some 3-4k dust to craft missing crucial cards.

For me after 60 packs it's 6 epics (Lunar Visions, Mana Geode, Sleep with the Fishes, Brass Knuckles, Fel Orc Soulfiend and Fight Promoter) and one leg (Mayor Noggenfogger). Not too useful for most of the currently developing decks, now I'll have to decide which path to go and which leg(s) to craft, will have to use incoming gold for more MSoG packs and have only one classic pack per week from the TB to fill up my sketchy classic collection...

Thanks for the extensive advice :) I just updated my collection via Innkeeper and it says

• Common: 94/98
• Rare: 54/72
• Epic: 8/54
• Legendary: 1/20

So you're (almost) right regarding the Commons and Rares ;) And I will heed your advice and wait for more information which Leg(s) to craft - gonna be a Christmas present then ^^

In terms of an expansion, it will be interesting to see how they address it since a LOT of cards in high use now will be cycling out.

I am talking about Brann, Reno, and the Dragons as an example.

Where exactly was it said that next addon will be a full blown expansion? Can't seem to find the info anywhere.