Priest Player posts a Board saying how awful the Meta is. Surely he is going to talk about how stupidly strong and fast the meta is which often wins by Turn 4 or 5 like Pirate Warrior, Buffadin, or even Zoo decks.
Instead, turns out he is quitting because of Jade Golem, a deck that gets ROFL stomped by many of the most popular ladder decks????
I also don't agree with his post that you need to spend insane amounts on the new cards to win. Many of the new legendaries are blah at best and many of the better decks do not even run THAT many new cards (pirate warrior, Zoo, Renolock, etc)
Instead of seeing the ladder as a playground where you can play a variety of decks, why not see it for what it is: people playing the most efficient decks they can find with the singular purpose of being better than the opponent they face. Playing whatever deck you want, that's what casual is for. You will find a variety of decks and the feeling of competition is almost completely gone.
However, you seem to believe that playing on a competitive ladder means that you will not face players who are trying to be pragmatic. This belief is dissonant with what ladder rewards, which is efficiency of play. The problem is your perception of the way things are versus reality. You should choose to see ladder as a competitive experience and choose to funnel your energy and your gameplay into being more efficient than your opponents.
"Efficiency of play", "the way things are versus reality", "funnel your energy". Oh God. Capitalist language applied to games. It's all because of the virus of e-sports and the business that surrounds it. You don't play to have fun anymore, you play for efficiency.
It's not Hearthstone, it's the human race. We take our tiny, innocent pleasures and corrupt them to the extreme.
Well, Blizzard is a company, their products are designed to make money and entice consumers, and they exist in a capitalist nation, the USA. Further, this game, like all games, is designed to be won and excelled at. That is, actually, the joy that comes from the play. Competition as play is something inherent in our nature. I'm unsure why you are so surprised that it exists. In fact, I'm unsure what you are communicating in your response other than a lack of comprehension of facts.
I really don't believe Jade is anywhere close to being as weak as you think it is. I have yet to lose a single match against control with the jade decks, and watching streamers at legend playing their reno decks, they aren't beating them either. Hell, I don't think HsDogDog beat a single one yesterday. The only thing keeping jades in check are pirate warriors.
I think the problem with this meta is pirate is too strong. Control should consistently win against pirate. Then we would have 3 archetypes that can counter each other.
I've seen Nzoth decks do very well vs Jade Golem. Sylvanas in particular does great in that matchup
There are some of the most fun decks there have been in awhile. They've put Priest in one of the best spots it's ever been in the sense that it isn't terrible but also isn't unbearably frustrating to play against. Reno Priest/Mage/Warlock are all fun and solid decks to play and play against with interesting and interactive games. Paladin seems to have aggro builds that are tricky, not oppressively fast, and can be successful.
If there is an issue with Warrior (and maybe Druid) it hopefully won't take two months to correct. Questions with Warrior in particular: 5 turn games aren't healthy, and possibly shutting out several other interesting archetypes: Rogue variants (can't stay alive), Hunter variants (aggressive strategy is completely inferior), possibly others...not what you want in the game.
There is quite literally no reason as to why the game would be more P2W than it has been in the past. The new cards aren't that necessary at all, you can make plenty of viable decks with only a handful of cards, and the Jade Golem decks clearly aren't that overpowered.
Any post that begins with "I'm not whining" is inevitably just going to lead to a tonne of whining and this is no different. Who cares if you're leaving? Do it, leave, you've made your decision, why not just let those of us who enjoy the game continue to do so?
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
We can safely assume even at this point that Pirate Warrior ain't going anywhere and it's gonna be the new Midrange Shaman that's 25% of the ladder. This meta ain't bad by any means tho, much more valid deck options then before...More dynamic.
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
We can safely assume even at this point that Pirate Warrior ain't going anywhere and it's gonna be the new Midrange Shaman that's 25% of the ladder. This meta ain't bad by any means tho, much more valid deck options then before...More dynamic.
Like Cthun druid, right?
Sry to break it down to you but the majority of the players, and this forum, have no clue about the game. Thats why meme/babrage about Rogue was not on point, actually rogue is argubally the best jade class, which counters druid, and counterfit coin is not ass.
At the same time majority of the people thought patches is a joke because math is hard.
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
We can safely assume even at this point that Pirate Warrior ain't going anywhere and it's gonna be the new Midrange Shaman that's 25% of the ladder. This meta ain't bad by any means tho, much more valid deck options then before...More dynamic.
How can we safely assume it's going to be 25% of the ladder now? I agree it's not going anywhere, but there's a reason it wasn't tier 1 last expansion and I don't see any reason why Patches and the new 1-drop has changed that. People are being greedy with their builds to the point they don't bother with tech cards, just like every expansion; and just like every expansion before the all-in face decks will be good but easily counterable.
If you're Control and you're not willing to tech early game, heals, and weapon hate into your deck in a ladder full of targets you really don't deserve to win against them do you?
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see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
We can safely assume even at this point that Pirate Warrior ain't going anywhere and it's gonna be the new Midrange Shaman that's 25% of the ladder. This meta ain't bad by any means tho, much more valid deck options then before...More dynamic.
How can we safely assume it's going to be 25% of the ladder now? I agree it's not going anywhere, but there's a reason it wasn't tier 1 last expansion and I don't see any reason why Patches and the new 1-drop has changed that. People are being greedy with their builds to the point they don't bother with tech cards, just like every expansion; and just like every expansion before the all-in face decks will be good but easily counterable.
If you're Control and you're not willing to tech early game, heals, and weapon hate into your deck in a ladder full of targets you really don't deserve to win against them do you?
i suspect, beside the usual bunch who never tech, majority of complainers are the guys who are running the mega greedy priest/pala decks anyway lol
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
As someone who played this game since Beta too I can also assure that many of us "old boys" agree. And Kripparian, to name one.
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Good point, we should listen to butthurt scrubs who quit the game because they're just so much more relevant. Bonus points for rose tinted glasses.
As someone who's played both games both certainly have issues, Elder Scrolls is in no way objectively better. You think Jade Idol is bad? Hist Grove says hello. RNG making you salty? Oh cool let's talk about Prophecy and all of the cards that generate random cards. The Shadow lane is interesting, and the f2p model is pretty good but it has issues if your chosen race isn't one of the good ones; monthly rewards are awesome except in practice where you're going to have to sink dust into them if you missed them if they reach Hist Grove levels of good. I do like the Rune system a bit, since it does add positive complexity to the game and helps with the bad starting hands but less effective board clears means comeback mechanics are just worse in that game than HS if you don't have a board. If you're going to be hipster about complexity and f2p systems, Eternal is just better at both with a deeper limited system to boot.
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Bro, it's the first two days of meta. For all you know Pirate warrior's a fad and in a few weeks we'll never see it again.
This, so much this. Do people remember Old Gods release? We're going to get the same kind of shake-up in the Spring as we did in Standard, the same kind of shake-up we did after Kara, and the same kind of shake-up we're seeing after Gadgetzan with each one having a large/small impact based on the number of different cards rotating in or out.
This is a meta in the sense that this is what ladder currently looks like, but in no way should this going to reflect the end result of what people would consider the Gadgetzan meta. Remember when N'Zoth Paladin and C'thun Druid were the scourge of the ladder? How did that turn out?
I also played in those metas. AGAIN, this is not about how strong the decks are. This is about how the mechanic is BROKEN. Priest was also weak against other previous dominating classes but at least with proper order and some luck, there were games that I had won because there was a POSSIBILITY, which no longer exists in this meta. I never complained about how a type of deck might counter another one, in fact that makes sense but at the moment no current priest deck can possibly defeat jade druids unless the druid player is so newbie. I won many games with my Reno priest in this meta so it is not about just keep encountering warriors or druids. As I had mentioned the game has become pay to win. I bought 40 packs and got only 1 legendary out of it. This is nothing but an insult. I also like HS but can no longer tolerate Blizzard.
I can't believe people are STILL talking about the game being pay to win. There is no conspiracy by Blizzard to make you buy more packs, your luck just sucks. BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY A CARD GAME. Luck is a core element in ANY card game, and sure it sucks that you have fewer flashy new cards than (what seems like) everyone else, but it doesn't mean Blizzard is corrupt or that the game is shit.
There's a term in psych called selection bias, where we are more likely to remember and continue remembering a given event if it fits with our narrative. In this case, your "bias" is Blizzard screwing you over. That bias means you are less likely to remember the times you have good luck, and more likely to remember bad luck.
Not to be an ass, but none of us are important enough to target, we are all just playing a game that has *ALWAYS* been RNG based. Take your salt to the therapy thread, and keep actual critique and discussion here.
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
As someone who played this game since Beta too I can also assure that many of us "old boys" agree. And Kripparian, to name one.
Oh hey look, I'm someone who's played since Beta too and I actually like most of the design choices Blizzard makes! It's almost like there are plenty of old players who have sunk a lot of money into the game who feel happy about the general direction of the game. Give me numbers that indicate some kind of steep decline in playerbase and I'm sure you'll see Blizzard change their tune, but honestly the game is thriving better than ever it just has an extremely whiny and entitled vocal minority.
Kripp, as much as I love him for how hard he works, is not the voice of professional HS players and is basically composed of salt at this point in his HS career. He's certainly welcome to his opinions, but they're no more relevant to me than any other streamer; in general there are still a ton of pro players who are playing the game and having fun doing so.
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see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
Hearthstone has not been out nearly long enough for you to be an annoying hipster about it. I've been playing since beta and I can assure you, many of us "old boys" do not agree with you.
We can safely assume even at this point that Pirate Warrior ain't going anywhere and it's gonna be the new Midrange Shaman that's 25% of the ladder. This meta ain't bad by any means tho, much more valid deck options then before...More dynamic.
Like Cthun druid, right?
Sry to break it down to you but the majority of the players, and this forum, have no clue about the game. Thats why meme/babrage about Rogue was not on point, actually rogue is argubally the best jade class, which counters druid, and counterfit coin is not ass.
At the same time majority of the people thought patches is a joke because math is hard.
Am more of a Arena expert then Constructed, i spend almost all my time in Arena but my Constructed deck is jade Rogue which am 4-0 so far. People were thinking Rogue was finished but it's very strong so far. People will always take the fast aggro decks tho, a large amount of people that were zoo lock and such will make the convert to Pirate Warrior.
IMO, its too early to wave the white flag. Every expansion starts out like this, and eventually Control catches up. Some of the aggro decks are vicious but they'll fade out for mid range and control. The big issue is Control decks have to be refined down to every single card and that takes months to refine, especially since sometimes those cards aren't obvious.
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Sorry, man child. Fucking millennials.
Did anyone else find the Original Post Baffling:
Priest Player posts a Board saying how awful the Meta is. Surely he is going to talk about how stupidly strong and fast the meta is which often wins by Turn 4 or 5 like Pirate Warrior, Buffadin, or even Zoo decks.
Instead, turns out he is quitting because of Jade Golem, a deck that gets ROFL stomped by many of the most popular ladder decks????
I also don't agree with his post that you need to spend insane amounts on the new cards to win. Many of the new legendaries are blah at best and many of the better decks do not even run THAT many new cards (pirate warrior, Zoo, Renolock, etc)
The salt is real. The meta is dope rn, lots of new stuff. At least let the meta be defined before complaining about it
There are some of the most fun decks there have been in awhile. They've put Priest in one of the best spots it's ever been in the sense that it isn't terrible but also isn't unbearably frustrating to play against. Reno Priest/Mage/Warlock are all fun and solid decks to play and play against with interesting and interactive games. Paladin seems to have aggro builds that are tricky, not oppressively fast, and can be successful.
If there is an issue with Warrior (and maybe Druid) it hopefully won't take two months to correct. Questions with Warrior in particular: 5 turn games aren't healthy, and possibly shutting out several other interesting archetypes: Rogue variants (can't stay alive), Hunter variants (aggressive strategy is completely inferior), possibly others...not what you want in the game.
CCGing since '98.
There is quite literally no reason as to why the game would be more P2W than it has been in the past. The new cards aren't that necessary at all, you can make plenty of viable decks with only a handful of cards, and the Jade Golem decks clearly aren't that overpowered.
Any post that begins with "I'm not whining" is inevitably just going to lead to a tonne of whining and this is no different. Who cares if you're leaving? Do it, leave, you've made your decision, why not just let those of us who enjoy the game continue to do so?
respect , ignore the buthurt fanboy scrubs that kisses blizzard's ass every chance they get and eat alive any criticizing thread
old boys like us understand this game all too well to know it's going nowhere with this dev team,
i remember the old days, hs used to be so fun, until someone decided to make it an on curve over simplified rng fest
see you in the next expansion , hopefully team 5 are fired by then and the new guys make something special
mean while might i suggest you play elder scrolls legends, its amazingly strategic and complex, as well as fun, also its super f2p , one of the best models since tf2 idk. my username is acolyteofdarkness if you wanna add me
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the fact u think the only way counter jade druid with aggro decks already shows that you are bad at this game
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There's a term in psych called selection bias, where we are more likely to remember and continue remembering a given event if it fits with our narrative. In this case, your "bias" is Blizzard screwing you over. That bias means you are less likely to remember the times you have good luck, and more likely to remember bad luck.
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IMO, its too early to wave the white flag. Every expansion starts out like this, and eventually Control catches up. Some of the aggro decks are vicious but they'll fade out for mid range and control. The big issue is Control decks have to be refined down to every single card and that takes months to refine, especially since sometimes those cards aren't obvious.