Welcome to the first week of the expansion. As with every new set that gets released, it takes time before the community gets a good feel for each card. There are some of us who believe Jade Golems are busted, and some of us who don't. There are some of us who netdeck, and some of us who believe Weasel Tunneler is the best card in the set. We won't all be correct, and that's fine.
I'd like to take the time to assure you all that in a number of weeks, most of your problems won't feel as existent as they do now. Hoping you'd pull Don Han'Cho in a pack, but get a Lorewalker Cho instead? Don't worry, it's not Blizzard ripping you off, it's because either you bought the wrong packs, or your expectations were set too high.
Remember guys, this is the first week of the expansion. Give it some time, seriously. Try experimenting with the set, and not forcing things to attempt going your way. Everything will be alright.
Funny, that's what someone as delusional as you says every set.
How's that worked out so far in this game?
Really though, I'm awful curious why you had to be super negative about this. Is it because you see things differently? I've been with card games a long time, long enough to know what I'm saying holds some weight. If the set was easy to navigate, and decks were easy to figure out, you would get sick of the set quick, same with a lot of other people, and the game would be stale for many months until the next set comes out. Players like you are likely the very same that get through an expansion, wanting more and more, and aren't satisfied easy.
I see you for what you are, and you're not fooling anyone.
Yeah, Jade Druid is a nightmare, but the sheer fact that my JadeRogue deck beat the absolute snot out of a TempoMage earlier, with over 20hp left, is giving me major smiles. RazaRenoPriest is also exactly as fun as I'd hoped.
Oh and so far, the only aggro decks I've seen have been DiscardLock (which I beat) and the new MurlocShammy (which I also beat). SO MANY SLOWER GAMES. I'M IN LOVE.
Phoenix Down(フェニックスの尾, Fenikkusu no o?, lit. Phoenix Tail), sometimes known as Fenix Down
In the PS1 rendition of Final Fantasy, Phoenix Downs were added. However, to keep with the flavor of the original game, items were still kept to a character limitation of 5 characters, followed by an item symbol. Therefore, Phoenix downs were labeled FENIX with the item symbol following afterwards.
Phoenix Down(フェニックスの尾, Fenikkusu no o?, lit. Phoenix Tail), sometimes known as Fenix Down
In the PS1 rendition of Final Fantasy, Phoenix Downs were added. However, to keep with the flavor of the original game, items were still kept to a character limitation of 5 characters, followed by an item symbol. Therefore, Phoenix downs were labeled FENIX with the item symbol following afterwards.
Anything else wrong you'd like to discuss?
Oh, there we are. I think we found our problem. You being good at Final Fantasy puts you under the belief that you understand card games. Everything makes sense now. Thanks for the clarity.
Whatever you say, I always believe it's the worst expansion with no balance at all and so little creativity...I don't wanna argue with anyone...I just wanna say pls fire the designer who designed this set!
There are a number of things they got wrong, I won't disagree about that. Why do you hate/dislike the set though?
...and some of us who believe Weasel Tunneler is the best card in the set.
Umm it definitely is the best card in the set.
Trust me when I say, I was referring to myself when I said "...some of us who believe..." so don't worry, I feel you. I ONLY PULLED ONE IN MY PACKS, HELP.
Phoenix Down(フェニックスの尾, Fenikkusu no o?, lit. Phoenix Tail), sometimes known as Fenix Down
In the PS1 rendition of Final Fantasy, Phoenix Downs were added. However, to keep with the flavor of the original game, items were still kept to a character limitation of 5 characters, followed by an item symbol. Therefore, Phoenix downs were labeled FENIX with the item symbol following afterwards.
Anything else wrong you'd like to discuss?
Oh, there we are. I think we found our problem. You being good at Final Fantasy puts you under the belief that you understand card games. Everything makes sense now. Thanks for the clarity.
Yeah, you figured me out. Or maybe the decades of experience in both CCG and collectible games in general.
People every set flock to the decks of least resistance. Every set. Every time. There hasn't been an expansion yet that's broken that cycle. And every set, there's three classes out of nine that end up fitting that mold. Last set, it was druid, shaman, and hunter. This set, we've already seen it a few hours in. Hours. It's paladin, warrior, and druid.
Everyone aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways says "Guys it's day 1 the meta will settle and change and be fun and diverse!". Every set. Every time. And guess what? It settles, all right. To be three classes, which are more than likely quick brainless cnacer decks. It didn't change after Naxx. It didn't change after GvG. Or BRM. Or Kara. Or anything else in between. This game's been in the same three class revolving rut since freaking alpha. And yes, I was in alpha. Third wave invite.
Once all the "I MADE LEGEND WITH CANCER QUICK EZMODE WINZ LUL LOOK" decklists start getting posted left, right, and center, then we have our meta. So far, very few decklists have been showing up. But within a week, they'll be up, with legend screenshots, get their massive amount of cancer sheeple upvotes, and we're back to another 3-4 months of hoping that maybe, just maybe, there will FINALLY be a set that will break the cycle of monotony this game has become consistent at being since it's release. And in the next expansion? Nothing will change. Same three cancer archetypes, different color schemes on the class cards.
I see more diversity in both Magic Duels and Pokemon TCG Online, and neither of those have been around as long as Hearthstone. I've seen more diversity in one day at Nationals qualifying contests in Magic than I see in a month in this game. And don't even get me started on the amount of diversity I've seen in games such as Vs., Universal Fighting, hell even Hero Clix. This game has as much diversity as games like .//hack and LotR TCGs.
And don't even get me started on the ratio of unplayable cards in this set as opposed to the ratio in other card games. It's on par with Pokemon. That's not good at all. Is that a better explanation for you?
well said. dont know why people cant focus on the fun of playing instead of trying to always be mayor of value town and viable only decks for ladder and tourney play.
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Long story short: Give it some time , in a couple of weeks we will all be playing the same decks that we have been playing the past 3 years with 2-4 new cards.
And why would anyone bother with tier 2 Reno decks when you can play Tier 1 Pirate Warrior and win in 4 turns right ;) Even if you lose you just queue again games are way quicker anyway.
All jokes aside the only thing that bothers me is the same decks for over 3 years, I mean control warrior is still the same shit just some different variation, same with zoolock,Hunter,Tempomage,Miracle rogue and so on and so on.
Why are they unable to create completly new decks and give us only 15-25 good cards every expansion. C'thun, Jade, Reno, Patron Warrior, Secret paladin and so onfeels fresh but some are way overpowered and others are just not good enough. Besides they should be able to give every class in the game multiple decks types. Warrior has Dragon,Control,Tempo,Patron, C'thun, Pirate, Mech and probally some more i'm forgetting about while some other classes don't get past 2 archtypes after 3 years.
This expansion is going to be the same as every previous expansion it won't change much and we get some new cancer decks to play against 50 times a day.
Phoenix Down(フェニックスの尾, Fenikkusu no o?, lit. Phoenix Tail), sometimes known as Fenix Down
In the PS1 rendition of Final Fantasy, Phoenix Downs were added. However, to keep with the flavor of the original game, items were still kept to a character limitation of 5 characters, followed by an item symbol. Therefore, Phoenix downs were labeled FENIX with the item symbol following afterwards.
Anything else wrong you'd like to discuss?
Oh, there we are. I think we found our problem. You being good at Final Fantasy puts you under the belief that you understand card games. Everything makes sense now. Thanks for the clarity.
Yeah, you figured me out. Or maybe the decades of experience in both CCG and collectible games in general.
People every set flock to the decks of least resistance. Every set. Every time. There hasn't been an expansion yet that's broken that cycle. And every set, there's three classes out of nine that end up fitting that mold. Last set, it was druid, shaman, and hunter. This set, we've already seen it a few hours in. Hours. It's paladin, warrior, and druid.
Everyone aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways says "Guys it's day 1 the meta will settle and change and be fun and diverse!". Every set. Every time. And guess what? It settles, all right. To be three classes, which are more than likely quick brainless cnacer decks. It didn't change after Naxx. It didn't change after GvG. Or BRM. Or Kara. Or anything else in between. This game's been in the same three class revolving rut since freaking alpha. And yes, I was in alpha. Third wave invite.
Once all the "I MADE LEGEND WITH CANCER QUICK EZMODE WINZ LUL LOOK" decklists start getting posted left, right, and center, then we have our meta. So far, very few decklists have been showing up. But within a week, they'll be up, with legend screenshots, get their massive amount of cancer sheeple upvotes, and we're back to another 3-4 months of hoping that maybe, just maybe, there will FINALLY be a set that will break the cycle of monotony this game has become consistent at being since it's release. And in the next expansion? Nothing will change. Same three cancer archetypes, different color schemes on the class cards.
I see more diversity in both Magic Duels and Pokemon TCG Online, and neither of those have been around as long as Hearthstone. I've seen more diversity in one day at Nationals qualifying contests in Magic than I see in a month in this game. And don't even get me started on the amount of diversity I've seen in games such as Vs., Universal Fighting, hell even Hero Clix. This game has as much diversity as games like .//hack and LotR TCGs.
And don't even get me started on the ratio of unplayable cards in this set as opposed to the ratio in other card games. It's on par with Pokemon. That's not good at all. Is that a better explanation for you?
There. Right there. You actually left a comment. All it took was two rounds of abuse from me for you to leave something worth the time and effort. You did not disappoint this time, not that it was your job to make me cum.
You have a solid point, and I appreciate the time you spent here today, so thank you. I don't take kindly to people coming in and smelling up the place with what is seemingly the most noobish, salty, half assed bullshit like the first comment you left me with. I apologize for my mistreatment, but you left me with very few options.
As much as Ben and his team say they listen to people, they don't take to working with the community. They look at a few numbers, some charts, and talk to STREAMERS SPECIFICALLY and that's a big part of the reason we aren't seeing much in the way of diversity in the set. I wish I could agree with you on a lot of this, to share your exact feelings, but we don't quite see eye to eye, and that's fine.
That's a good one mate. The "everything will be alright" got us to 3 months of shamanstone. I don't believe team 5 is up to the task of balancing the game. It's only a matter of time before people find the next broken tempo deck that will rule the meta, after dragon warrior post wotog and midrange shaman post onik. It's the old same tale, but at a certain point people stop believing in fairy tales.
I say everything is fine because the game will still continue to bring people in. There are plenty of things that are good about this expansion, and plenty of things that are bad. If Blizzard wasn't suggesting decks to people, and if decklists weren't published in a hub like Hearthpwn, it'd be a lot easier to enjoy Hearthstone, because the game would remain a challenge in a different way. Spoon feeding people entire decks is what makes it feel repetitive, because you know what to expect most times with each deck you play against. If you didn't, wouldn't the game feel healthier?
Honestly, all these people saying the game needs variety, what would constitute a good sense of variety?
Even when we have the slowest meta ever in the game (midrange shaman) people still complain about how the meter is too fast.
If it's not literal aggro decks taking your control decks out to lunch it's Secret Paladin or Midrange Shaman or whatever. People always find something to complain about.
I'm glad that aggro is finally coming back. Sick and tired of going into fatigue with control warriors.
Even when we have the slowest meta ever in the game (midrange shaman) people still complain about aggro (and midrange shaman). People always find something to complain about.
I'm glad that aggro is coming back. Sick and tired of going into fatigue with control warriors.
It's the thing with the current day people. If they don't like something they got to make sure that everybody knows that they don't like that thing. They can't just stop playing the game, they have to create new threads on forums and say "I'M LEAVING THIS GAME" like anybody actually cares.
People think other people care about their opinions, but nobody cares.
Phoenix Down(フェニックスの尾, Fenikkusu no o?, lit. Phoenix Tail), sometimes known as Fenix Down
In the PS1 rendition of Final Fantasy, Phoenix Downs were added. However, to keep with the flavor of the original game, items were still kept to a character limitation of 5 characters, followed by an item symbol. Therefore, Phoenix downs were labeled FENIX with the item symbol following afterwards.
Anything else wrong you'd like to discuss?
Oh, there we are. I think we found our problem. You being good at Final Fantasy puts you under the belief that you understand card games. Everything makes sense now. Thanks for the clarity.
Yeah, you figured me out. Or maybe the decades of experience in both CCG and collectible games in general.
People every set flock to the decks of least resistance. Every set. Every time. There hasn't been an expansion yet that's broken that cycle. And every set, there's three classes out of nine that end up fitting that mold. Last set, it was druid, shaman, and hunter. This set, we've already seen it a few hours in. Hours. It's paladin, warrior, and druid.
Everyone aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalways says "Guys it's day 1 the meta will settle and change and be fun and diverse!". Every set. Every time. And guess what? It settles, all right. To be three classes, which are more than likely quick brainless cnacer decks. It didn't change after Naxx. It didn't change after GvG. Or BRM. Or Kara. Or anything else in between. This game's been in the same three class revolving rut since freaking alpha. And yes, I was in alpha. Third wave invite.
Once all the "I MADE LEGEND WITH CANCER QUICK EZMODE WINZ LUL LOOK" decklists start getting posted left, right, and center, then we have our meta. So far, very few decklists have been showing up. But within a week, they'll be up, with legend screenshots, get their massive amount of cancer sheeple upvotes, and we're back to another 3-4 months of hoping that maybe, just maybe, there will FINALLY be a set that will break the cycle of monotony this game has become consistent at being since it's release. And in the next expansion? Nothing will change. Same three cancer archetypes, different color schemes on the class cards.
I see more diversity in both Magic Duels and Pokemon TCG Online, and neither of those have been around as long as Hearthstone. I've seen more diversity in one day at Nationals qualifying contests in Magic than I see in a month in this game. And don't even get me started on the amount of diversity I've seen in games such as Vs., Universal Fighting, hell even Hero Clix. This game has as much diversity as games like .//hack and LotR TCGs.
And don't even get me started on the ratio of unplayable cards in this set as opposed to the ratio in other card games. It's on par with Pokemon. That's not good at all. Is that a better explanation for you?
A serious question, why are you even playing this game if you think its that much worse conpared to other games?
It's the thing with the current day people. If they don't like something they got to make sure that everybody knows that they don't like that thing. They can't just stop playing the game, they have to create new threads on forums and say "I'M LEAVING THIS GAME" like anybody actually cares.
People think other people care about their opinions, but nobody cares.
GET AWAY FROM ME PEOPLE, A FORUM IS NOT THE PLACE FOR DISCUSSION ! GET BACK !
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Dear salt packets of Hearthpwn.com,
Welcome to the first week of the expansion. As with every new set that gets released, it takes time before the community gets a good feel for each card. There are some of us who believe Jade Golems are busted, and some of us who don't. There are some of us who netdeck, and some of us who believe Weasel Tunneler is the best card in the set. We won't all be correct, and that's fine.
I'd like to take the time to assure you all that in a number of weeks, most of your problems won't feel as existent as they do now. Hoping you'd pull Don Han'Cho in a pack, but get a Lorewalker Cho instead? Don't worry, it's not Blizzard ripping you off, it's because either you bought the wrong packs, or your expectations were set too high.
Remember guys, this is the first week of the expansion. Give it some time, seriously. Try experimenting with the set, and not forcing things to attempt going your way. Everything will be alright.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Funny, that's what someone as delusional as you says every set.
How's that worked out so far in this game?
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Yeah, Jade Druid is a nightmare, but the sheer fact that my JadeRogue deck beat the absolute snot out of a TempoMage earlier, with over 20hp left, is giving me major smiles. RazaRenoPriest is also exactly as fun as I'd hoped.
Oh and so far, the only aggro decks I've seen have been DiscardLock (which I beat) and the new MurlocShammy (which I also beat). SO MANY SLOWER GAMES. I'M IN LOVE.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
well said. dont know why people cant focus on the fun of playing instead of trying to always be mayor of value town and viable only decks for ladder and tourney play.
Just an ordinary guy trying to live an extraordinary life. Oh and make decks along the way for funsies.....^_^
Long story short: Give it some time , in a couple of weeks we will all be playing the same decks that we have been playing the past 3 years with 2-4 new cards.
And why would anyone bother with tier 2 Reno decks when you can play Tier 1 Pirate Warrior and win in 4 turns right ;) Even if you lose you just queue again games are way quicker anyway.
All jokes aside the only thing that bothers me is the same decks for over 3 years, I mean control warrior is still the same shit just some different variation, same with zoolock,Hunter,Tempomage,Miracle rogue and so on and so on.
Why are they unable to create completly new decks and give us only 15-25 good cards every expansion. C'thun, Jade, Reno, Patron Warrior, Secret paladin and so onfeels fresh but some are way overpowered and others are just not good enough. Besides they should be able to give every class in the game multiple decks types. Warrior has Dragon,Control,Tempo,Patron, C'thun, Pirate, Mech and probally some more i'm forgetting about while some other classes don't get past 2 archtypes after 3 years.
This expansion is going to be the same as every previous expansion it won't change much and we get some new cancer decks to play against 50 times a day.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Honestly, all these people saying the game needs variety, what would constitute a good sense of variety?
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
Even when we have the slowest meta ever in the game (midrange shaman) people still complain about how the meter is too fast.
If it's not literal aggro decks taking your control decks out to lunch it's Secret Paladin or Midrange Shaman or whatever. People always find something to complain about.
I'm glad that aggro is finally coming back. Sick and tired of going into fatigue with control warriors.
Come visit my Card Emporium. Strange things, you will find inside...
Come take the test, if you're daring. Feel free to show me your results in a message.
It's the thing with the current day people. If they don't like something they got to make sure that everybody knows that they don't like that thing. They can't just stop playing the game, they have to create new threads on forums and say "I'M LEAVING THIS GAME" like anybody actually cares.
People think other people care about their opinions, but nobody cares.
My custom cards thread here (53 cards)