I don't think that it's in any way possible that team 5 would release cards such as those in MSG with proper play testing, absolutely no way.
The Jade mechanic's drawback is that its cards do slightly less than what they should do for their mana cost, and in return you summon a minion that keeps growing by 1 for every time you use those cards. But this drawback, quite frankly and easily noticeable, is hardly significant at all.
I think that if they preformed at least 30 playtest games with Jade mechanic decks it would be plain obvious that the mechanic, as it is, is completely broken. So my suspicion is that they didn't do proper play testing for the cards, if any at all.
Another noticeable and VERY CLEAR indication of no play testing is the Goons' glow/sparkle mechanic. I don't know if they're completely incompetent in understanding how hearthstone is played, but as the thread about the sparkle mechanic put it perfectly, there's a natural disadvantage at playing these hand buff cards, which shouldn't exist!! If they've done proper play testing they should've realised this.
So do you think that they performed proper play testing to these cards and mechanics before announcing them?
You're saying it's completely broken by seeing one match against unrefined decks in the reveal livestream. Actually try the deck against the cruel decks on ladder, and then we'll see what's really broken. Also just as an FYI, remember how everyone predicted C'Thun would be the next most OP thing ever, and we all know how that went.
Please note that you are basing your opinions on zero playtesting. I dunno, how about we wait until we actually play games with the cards before judging.
Wait until a year and a half from now, when MSG rotates out, and give us you opinion in the set then when we've plaureates as much as possible (for standard).
You're saying it's completely broken by seeing one match against unrefined decks in the reveal livestream. Actually try the deck against the cruel decks on ladder, and then we'll see what's really broken. Also just as an FYI, remember how everyone predicted C'Thun would be the next most OP thing ever, and we all know how that went.
Please note that you are basing your opinions on zero playtesting. I dunno, how about we wait until we actually play games with the cards before judging.
I honestly think you guys are overly optimistic /:
I really hope you're right though and that I'm wrong.
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"As housecarl I am sworn to your service. I will protect you and all you own, with my life." - Lydia of Whiterun
Game Designer Dean "Iksar" Ayala: "Also because when I playtest things I have multiple accounts and I tend to be playing multiple games at once. With the Patches deck with Gang Up and holding back a bunch of cards and waiting to combo. That deck is so hard to play! It is maybe the single hardest deck to play that I've playtested in the last year."
Game Designer Dean "Iksar" Ayala: "Also because when I playtest things I have multiple accounts and I tend to be playing multiple games at once. With the Patches deck with Gang Up and holding back a bunch of cards and waiting to combo. That deck is so hard to play! It is maybe the single hardest deck to play that I've playtested in the last year."
If anything, they're not able to figure out what will become meta decks, focusing a little much on new or fun mechanics. Like, I'm guessing they tried Evolve and some crazy spell damage Shaman, and overlooked a deck that just plays its cards while doing nothing interesting emerge as the best. Which further invalidates whatever they show on the reveal streams.
"I'm going to make some extreme accusations about a card set that isnt out yet based on watching two games of unrefined decks with the only purpose of showing off the new cards against a company well known for its well polished games. A company which also starts work on card sets two years in advance."
There is no place for discussion here, whatsoever. Lock please.
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I returned to this game much like how a recovering alcoholic can relapse.
I believe what Team 5 is lacking is good deckbuilders and people who have an understanding predicting the meta so thats why they end up testing cards with unrefined decks which ends up in a mess.
Game Designer Dean "Iksar" Ayala: "Also because when I playtest things I have multiple accounts and I tend to be playing multiple games at once. With the Patches deck with Gang Up and holding back a bunch of cards and waiting to combo. That deck is so hard to play! It is maybe the single hardest deck to play that I've playtested in the last year."
It's absolutely hillarious that you're accusing team 5 of not playtesting, on the basis that a certain mechanic is broken. You say this without having playtested it. Irony at its finest...
Of course they do playtesting. Very much in fact. Because why, when I visit some new cards on this website, I already see some percentage of card use? Weasel Tunneler: Used in 0.31% of all decks Lotus Assassin: Used in 3.46% of Rogue decks in the past 30 days Krul the Unshackled: Used in 7.98% of Warlock decks in the past 30 days. And so on.
You do know these are theorycraft statistics for now?...
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Anyone would have already quit this game with my unluck.
I don't think that it's in any way possible that team 5 would release cards such as those in MSG with proper play testing, absolutely no way.
The Jade mechanic's drawback is that its cards do slightly less than what they should do for their mana cost, and in return you summon a minion that keeps growing by 1 for every time you use those cards. But this drawback, quite frankly and easily noticeable, is hardly significant at all.
I think that if they preformed at least 30 playtest games with Jade mechanic decks it would be plain obvious that the mechanic, as it is, is completely broken. So my suspicion is that they didn't do proper play testing for the cards, if any at all.
Another noticeable and VERY CLEAR indication of no play testing is the Goons' glow/sparkle mechanic. I don't know if they're completely incompetent in understanding how hearthstone is played, but as the thread about the sparkle mechanic put it perfectly, there's a natural disadvantage at playing these hand buff cards, which shouldn't exist!! If they've done proper play testing they should've realised this.
So do you think that they performed proper play testing to these cards and mechanics before announcing them?
"As housecarl I am sworn to your service. I will protect you and all you own, with my life." - Lydia of Whiterun
I think Blizzard just wants Rogue to die!!
You're saying it's completely broken by seeing one match against unrefined decks in the reveal livestream. Actually try the deck against the cruel decks on ladder, and then we'll see what's really broken. Also just as an FYI, remember how everyone predicted C'Thun would be the next most OP thing ever, and we all know how that went.
Yes, I think they do playtesting. Obviously.
Please note that you are basing your opinions on zero playtesting. I dunno, how about we wait until we actually play games with the cards before judging.
Wait until a year and a half from now, when MSG rotates out, and give us you opinion in the set then when we've plaureates as much as possible (for standard).
Shanking ankles since 2015.
"As housecarl I am sworn to your service. I will protect you and all you own, with my life." - Lydia of Whiterun
Game Designer Dean "Iksar" Ayala: "Also because when I playtest things I have multiple accounts and I tend to be playing multiple games at once. With the Patches deck with Gang Up and holding back a bunch of cards and waiting to combo. That deck is so hard to play! It is maybe the single hardest deck to play that I've playtested in the last year."
Source: http://www.hearthhead.com/news/iksar-patches-deck-is-maybe-the-single-hardest-deck-to-play
They playtest the game.
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"As housecarl I am sworn to your service. I will protect you and all you own, with my life." - Lydia of Whiterun
If anything, they're not able to figure out what will become meta decks, focusing a little much on new or fun mechanics. Like, I'm guessing they tried Evolve and some crazy spell damage Shaman, and overlooked a deck that just plays its cards while doing nothing interesting emerge as the best. Which further invalidates whatever they show on the reveal streams.
CCGing since '98.
"I'm going to make some extreme accusations about a card set that isnt out yet based on watching two games of unrefined decks with the only purpose of showing off the new cards against a company well known for its well polished games. A company which also starts work on card sets two years in advance."
There is no place for discussion here, whatsoever. Lock please.
I returned to this game much like how a recovering alcoholic can relapse.
I believe what Team 5 is lacking is good deckbuilders and people who have an understanding predicting the meta so thats why they end up testing cards with unrefined decks which ends up in a mess.
Bait thread
It's absolutely hillarious that you're accusing team 5 of not playtesting, on the basis that a certain mechanic is broken. You say this without having playtested it. Irony at its finest...
Wait did you really just complain about the fact that a minion got buffed in your hand and the opponent knows that this happened?
This doesn't make any sense. I mean of course you have minions on your hand if you play Goon decks. Otherwise you would play like a bad deck
Just remember the good times!
Suspicion: blizzard dont have enough people, so monkeys design cards for some classess.
"Designers clearly didnt playtest this expansion enough! It has broken mechanics! I know it for sure, because I playtested it zero times."
"Blizzard doesn't do playtesting, because I know for a fact that these mechanics are broken, though I haven't playtested them myself."
Dude, your argument is completely invalid.
Anyone would have already quit this game with my unluck.
I hope I'm wrong, everyone. But I think I'm right.
"As housecarl I am sworn to your service. I will protect you and all you own, with my life." - Lydia of Whiterun