I want to have a bit of a say on this as I think some people are missing the point a little.
This is a tavern Brawl, its a optional part of the game. It doesn't effect ladder results/arena rewards or anything like that. Being a Tavern Brawl it is also temporary, this isn't a new 'hard-core gambling' mode; this is a (possibly) one week only event.
Since the dawn of time (I may be exaggerating for effect) people have been asking for blizzard to implement a tournament mode in hearthstone. The way the tavern brawl work is similar to a playable tournament mode. In reality tournaments (or even tournament qualifiers) for hearthstone are high risk - High reward. There is time, effort and (travel/accommodation) expense that goes in to entering a tournament and unless you make to it the quarter/semi/final you may possibly walk out empty handed. It can be brutal. It sounds very similar to this mode right? Does this mean blizzard are trailing a possible tournament mode? Yeah it seems that way.
Inclusive! By their nature tournament modes are not inclusive (for everyone) they are for the best-of-the-best, to make a name for themselves to earn rewards. This tavern brawl is that. It's not for everyone, its not something you HAVE TO play; considering Hearthstone is a free game, you are not losing anything at all by it existing, its not like a FIFA mode that you have to pay to get access too (on top of already buying the game). This is blizzard calling the hard-core players to battle. This is for them, possibly only the top 5%. In my eyes this is a good move; recently there has been a lot of inclusive features for new and F2P players, pack promotions, sign up rewards, easy cheap brawls... The other side of the fan-base had nothing new until now.
I think blizzard have been really clever with the payment/rewards system its very similar to what you'd expect from a tournament; it has that feeling of every move counts, and it will. Making the rewards all in-game items too doesn't make it exploitable. I for one am very excited for this brawl, I doubt I'll play but its a great step in the right direction for hand-core players. If this doesn't generate a tournament mode (off the back of it) I hope that this brawl is repeated maybe every 4-8 weeks.
I want to have a bit of a say on this as I think some people are missing the point a little.
This is a tavern Brawl, its a optional part of the game. It doesn't effect ladder results/arena rewards or anything like that. Being a Tavern Brawl it is also temporary, this isn't a new 'hard-core gambling' mode; this is a (possibly) one week only event.
Since the dawn of time (I may be exaggerating for effect) people have been asking for blizzard to implement a tournament mode in hearthstone. The way the tavern brawl work is similar to a playable tournament mode. In reality tournaments (or even tournament qualifiers) for hearthstone are high risk - High reward. There is time, effort and (travel/accommodation) expense that goes in to entering a tournament and unless you make to it the quarter/semi/final you may possibly walk out empty handed. It can be brutal. It sounds very similar to this mode right? Does this mean blizzard are trailing a possible tournament mode? Yeah it seems that way.
Inclusive! By their nature tournament modes are not inclusive (for everyone) they are for the best-of-the-best, to make a name for themselves to earn rewards. This tavern brawl is that. It's not for everyone, its not something you HAVE TO play; considering Hearthstone is a free game, you are not losing anything at all by it existing, its not like a FIFA mode that you have to pay to get access too (on top of already buying the game). This is blizzard calling the hard-core players to battle. This is for them, possibly only the top 5%. In my eyes this is a good move; recently there has been a lot of inclusive features for new and F2P players, pack promotions, sign up rewards, easy cheap brawls... The other side of the fan-base had nothing new until now.
I think blizzard have been really clever with the payment/rewards system its very similar to what you'd expect from a tournament; it has that feeling of every move counts, and it will. Making the rewards all in-game items too doesn't make it exploitable. I for one am very excited for this brawl, I doubt I'll play but its a great step in the right direction for hand-core players. If this doesn't generate a tournament mode (off the back of it) I hope that this brawl is repeated maybe every 4-8 weeks.
I have lost faith in all of humanity. Truly we are doomed as a species.
For everybody whining about this being Shaman mirror-match mode: You do realise that as this is a Tavern Brawl there will be a twist on the deck construction? It's pretty much confirmed in the announcement video. What part of the current meta do you think the designers might target specifically for this first one?
Any guesses? It rhymes with 'ramen'...
And no, this isn't a tournament mode. Did reading comprehension drop off a cliff in the last day?
As much as it's gambling, it teaches children (and many other older players) to take risks sometimes for some added value. It is gambling after all, but nobody forces you to play it. That's how it works.
Same is with Rank 6 and Rank 5 rewards. Just one star below and you won't get a golden epic.
This is a person who does not understand how gambling works. The house is not out to teach lessons, and the house is not your friend. Blizzard wants your money. Remember the auction house from Diablo? Yeah that whole hot mess that required people to play online even in single player and then eventually got canned when it stopped being profitable? Remember? Blizzard wants your money people, yes it makes some really good games, but at the end of the day it wants your money.
game is not complex enough at this point, it so long on the market and we still don't have that much new things for casual gamers or those who dont want to play so hardcore to reach legend (or near) but still want some fun
in good f2p having fun makes you pay for more fun, here it opposite; pay first ($10 which can be a lot outside US and few Europe countries) then have fun (IF you are lucky (RNG)), this is bad f2p design (remember f2p Dungeon Keep)
if you dd new, so expensive, paid modes are you are going to add quests that reward you with more gold? 100/200 more often? maybe some mini tournaments that reward you with $50 but are free to enter? no? uhm... I spend so far like $300 (in 2 years) on packs and I didnt regret, however this A LOT for any game, now you are asking $10 for a gamble...
So it probably will be working same way as arena, players with same stats will be playing against each other, mathematically this leads to the situation where roughly 90% of players end up to 0-3 wins and 0,01% of players will achieve 12 wins.
As someone said earlier this format is not for scrubs.
Copied my post from Brawl thread, as it's more relevant with discussion here.
Thea idea is clear.
Blizzard wants more money.
Best way to get money for Blizzard is selling us new expansion card packs. But we don't want to pay our money to Blizzard and saving in-game gold for that packs.
So the idea is to sell series of brawls to players to take care of their extra gold. 1000 per run, nice price, Ben.
Profit.
I will not play such game mode:
I hate brawls, I never play more then 1 for a pack and always reroll brawl quest. 90% of Hearthstone Brawls = RNG clown fiesta.
I don't need WotOG packs, no way I will buy them even with discount.
Using Standard-only cards in Brawl...I don't like that. I already bored enough with ranked Standard.
Whole schema looks like a fraud for me, you pay 10 new expansion packs for what? You should be pro level player to get your investment back.
A 7-win breakeven seems pretty fair for the competitive players. Any additional wins over that is just gravy, and therefore savings to me. Cash is definitely the motive for Blizzy here, but you're forgetting to mention the upside.
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Yep, this format is for top competitive players who play this for getting new experiences from game and to proof how good they are. For most of the players entry fee is just too much to participate regularly, this format is only for players who could not care less about 1000 gold or $9.99.
Yep, this format is for top competitive players who play this for getting new experiences from game and to proof how good they are. For most of the players entry fee is just too much to participate regularly, this format is only for players who could not care less about 1000 gold or $9.99.
I'll play this just for the YouTube footage. I'll probably go 0-3 most of the time, and I'm super okay with it.
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I want to have a bit of a say on this as I think some people are missing the point a little.
This is a tavern Brawl, its a optional part of the game. It doesn't effect ladder results/arena rewards or anything like that. Being a Tavern Brawl it is also temporary, this isn't a new 'hard-core gambling' mode; this is a (possibly) one week only event.
Since the dawn of time (I may be exaggerating for effect) people have been asking for blizzard to implement a tournament mode in hearthstone. The way the tavern brawl work is similar to a playable tournament mode. In reality tournaments (or even tournament qualifiers) for hearthstone are high risk - High reward. There is time, effort and (travel/accommodation) expense that goes in to entering a tournament and unless you make to it the quarter/semi/final you may possibly walk out empty handed. It can be brutal. It sounds very similar to this mode right? Does this mean blizzard are trailing a possible tournament mode? Yeah it seems that way.
Inclusive! By their nature tournament modes are not inclusive (for everyone) they are for the best-of-the-best, to make a name for themselves to earn rewards. This tavern brawl is that. It's not for everyone, its not something you HAVE TO play; considering Hearthstone is a free game, you are not losing anything at all by it existing, its not like a FIFA mode that you have to pay to get access too (on top of already buying the game). This is blizzard calling the hard-core players to battle. This is for them, possibly only the top 5%. In my eyes this is a good move; recently there has been a lot of inclusive features for new and F2P players, pack promotions, sign up rewards, easy cheap brawls... The other side of the fan-base had nothing new until now.
I think blizzard have been really clever with the payment/rewards system its very similar to what you'd expect from a tournament; it has that feeling of every move counts, and it will. Making the rewards all in-game items too doesn't make it exploitable. I for one am very excited for this brawl, I doubt I'll play but its a great step in the right direction for hand-core players. If this doesn't generate a tournament mode (off the back of it) I hope that this brawl is repeated maybe every 4-8 weeks.
Out of the blue, a tournament mode is announced.
For a week.
Prior to an expansion.
For the cost of 6.66 arena runs, or 1.43 adventure wings.
With 1 pack rewarded for a 3 loss RNG streak...
...
For anyone to get more than 3 wins -- someone must get less than 3 wins.
MOST players will get less than 3 wins: That's the only way anyone at all CAN get more than 3 wins. Even if the 100 best players in the word were the only 100 players playing, most of them would get less than 3 wins, because for every 12-0, there's 12 players who get a loss, and nonone got any wins against that player.
To beat just playing the arena with 4-5 wins average, you need 9 wins. Thats a 75% win rate, except the only valid way to reach 75%% wins is ending your 75% win rate with a loss.
Even if you WOULD go 75% win rate, you have to do it in a specific order:
Formats such as these should let you play 12 games, and count your wins: 12 wins will be exceedingly rare, regardless.
Hell -- the price pool looks more balanced for a guaranteed 12 round tournament than for a 3 loss knockout: For every 9, 10 and 11 wins -- there is a 1, 2, 3 wins player.
12 wins will be less than 1 in 200 players, guaranteed, because of the odds of going second and getting ONE bad hand versus an opponent with a good hand, and this isn't arena where your deck can be godly compared to most other decks: You play the same deck as everyone else. Quite literally, in the case of midrange shamans.
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This is a digital game. This is not a trading card nor collectible card game -- this is a digital game SIMULATING one as such, except you can't sell your collection of make-belief cards. Yet -- the pricing is similar to a game where your goods is resellable. (If your time isn't worth anything; if you think the time cost of free to play is worthwhile, may the gods have mercy on your soul.)
Don't call this shit 'Tournament Mode'. Tournament mode should be played with competetive format (Conquest or LMS, at least BO3), should be available for everyone for free or small fee (not 1k gold, 150 max), should be played with normal Hearthstone rules. I forgive them this scam if they really will do that. But they will never so I will continue to play ES:L.
The thing is simple: why blizz does this !? To help the pros and topregs like me to complete full golden collection ez and with not much money so that casual players r gonna spend more to emulate the players they see in tournaments videos or streaming. Maybe i'm using rude words but plebs cant make any better of 5 probably and even good players r gonna make 7-8 at best.
For whoever is interested i offer coaching sessions to make 12s, u can pm here or twitter:
Twitter.com/ImGodConcede
You sound like an immature twitch kid, how do you expect people to take you seriously, let alone actually pay you for coaching?
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I want to have a bit of a say on this as I think some people are missing the point a little.
This is a tavern Brawl, its a optional part of the game. It doesn't effect ladder results/arena rewards or anything like that. Being a Tavern Brawl it is also temporary, this isn't a new 'hard-core gambling' mode; this is a (possibly) one week only event.
Since the dawn of time (I may be exaggerating for effect) people have been asking for blizzard to implement a tournament mode in hearthstone. The way the tavern brawl work is similar to a playable tournament mode. In reality tournaments (or even tournament qualifiers) for hearthstone are high risk - High reward. There is time, effort and (travel/accommodation) expense that goes in to entering a tournament and unless you make to it the quarter/semi/final you may possibly walk out empty handed. It can be brutal. It sounds very similar to this mode right? Does this mean blizzard are trailing a possible tournament mode? Yeah it seems that way.
Inclusive! By their nature tournament modes are not inclusive (for everyone) they are for the best-of-the-best, to make a name for themselves to earn rewards. This tavern brawl is that. It's not for everyone, its not something you HAVE TO play; considering Hearthstone is a free game, you are not losing anything at all by it existing, its not like a FIFA mode that you have to pay to get access too (on top of already buying the game). This is blizzard calling the hard-core players to battle. This is for them, possibly only the top 5%. In my eyes this is a good move; recently there has been a lot of inclusive features for new and F2P players, pack promotions, sign up rewards, easy cheap brawls... The other side of the fan-base had nothing new until now.
I think blizzard have been really clever with the payment/rewards system its very similar to what you'd expect from a tournament; it has that feeling of every move counts, and it will. Making the rewards all in-game items too doesn't make it exploitable. I for one am very excited for this brawl, I doubt I'll play but its a great step in the right direction for hand-core players. If this doesn't generate a tournament mode (off the back of it) I hope that this brawl is repeated maybe every 4-8 weeks.
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and why would that be?
how are we doomed if someone doesn't mind this probably one or 2 time tournament mode?
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For everybody whining about this being Shaman mirror-match mode: You do realise that as this is a Tavern Brawl there will be a twist on the deck construction? It's pretty much confirmed in the announcement video. What part of the current meta do you think the designers might target specifically for this first one?
Any guesses? It rhymes with 'ramen'...
And no, this isn't a tournament mode. Did reading comprehension drop off a cliff in the last day?
This is a person who does not understand how gambling works. The house is not out to teach lessons, and the house is not your friend. Blizzard wants your money. Remember the auction house from Diablo? Yeah that whole hot mess that required people to play online even in single player and then eventually got canned when it stopped being profitable? Remember? Blizzard wants your money people, yes it makes some really good games, but at the end of the day it wants your money.
game is not complex enough at this point, it so long on the market and we still don't have that much new things for casual gamers or those who dont want to play so hardcore to reach legend (or near) but still want some fun
in good f2p having fun makes you pay for more fun, here it opposite; pay first ($10 which can be a lot outside US and few Europe countries) then have fun (IF you are lucky (RNG)), this is bad f2p design (remember f2p Dungeon Keep)
if you dd new, so expensive, paid modes are you are going to add quests that reward you with more gold? 100/200 more often? maybe some mini tournaments that reward you with $50 but are free to enter? no? uhm... I spend so far like $300 (in 2 years) on packs and I didnt regret, however this A LOT for any game, now you are asking $10 for a gamble...
I love the game but I find this really bad/greedy
Guys.
Why are you all so concerned about going 0-3? Sounds like y'all need to spend less time playing TBs, and more time watching em! Take a few notes! ;)
But really - as a YouTuber, I'm super pumped on this new feature.
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So it probably will be working same way as arena, players with same stats will be playing against each other, mathematically this leads to the situation where roughly 90% of players end up to 0-3 wins and 0,01% of players will achieve 12 wins.
As someone said earlier this format is not for scrubs.
Don't drink and draw.
Definitely agree with this - it would be weird if they didn't match up people with the same winrates.
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Copied my post from Brawl thread, as it's more relevant with discussion here.
Thea idea is clear.
Blizzard wants more money.
Best way to get money for Blizzard is selling us new expansion card packs. But we don't want to pay our money to Blizzard and saving in-game gold for that packs.
So the idea is to sell series of brawls to players to take care of their extra gold. 1000 per run, nice price, Ben.
Profit.
I will not play such game mode:
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A 7-win breakeven seems pretty fair for the competitive players. Any additional wins over that is just gravy, and therefore savings to me. Cash is definitely the motive for Blizzy here, but you're forgetting to mention the upside.
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i'm playing this just for the experience. can you imagine the players ponying up the dough? Idiots like me and good players!
Yep, this format is for top competitive players who play this for getting new experiences from game and to proof how good they are. For most of the players entry fee is just too much to participate regularly, this format is only for players who could not care less about 1000 gold or $9.99.
Don't drink and draw.
The best decks, the newest meta, the most fun you can have watching HearthStone:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWVhgLNhD2MfkyPkhgr5LpQ
For a week.
Prior to an expansion.
For the cost of 6.66 arena runs, or 1.43 adventure wings.
With 1 pack rewarded for a 3 loss RNG streak...
...
For anyone to get more than 3 wins -- someone must get less than 3 wins.
MOST players will get less than 3 wins:
That's the only way anyone at all CAN get more than 3 wins.
Even if the 100 best players in the word were the only 100 players playing, most of them would get less than 3 wins, because for every 12-0, there's 12 players who get a loss, and nonone got any wins against that player.
To beat just playing the arena with 4-5 wins average, you need 9 wins.
Thats a 75% win rate, except the only valid way to reach 75%% wins is ending your 75% win rate with a loss.
No:
Loss, Win, Loss, Win, Loss, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win
or
Win, Win, Loss, Win, Win, Loss, Win, Win, Loss, Win, Win, Win
or
Win, Win, Win, Win, Loss, Loss, Win, Win, Win, Loss, Win, Win
Only:
Loss, Win, Loss, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Loss
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Formats such as these should let you play 12 games, and count your wins:
12 wins will be exceedingly rare, regardless.
Hell -- the price pool looks more balanced for a guaranteed 12 round tournament than for a 3 loss knockout:
For every 9, 10 and 11 wins -- there is a 1, 2, 3 wins player.
12 wins will be less than 1 in 200 players, guaranteed, because of the odds of going second and getting ONE bad hand versus an opponent with a good hand, and this isn't arena where your deck can be godly compared to most other decks: You play the same deck as everyone else.
Quite literally, in the case of midrange shamans.
---
This is a digital game.
This is not a trading card nor collectible card game -- this is a digital game SIMULATING one as such, except you can't sell your collection of make-belief cards. Yet -- the pricing is similar to a game where your goods is resellable.
(If your time isn't worth anything; if you think the time cost of free to play is worthwhile, may the gods have mercy on your soul.)
Don't call this shit 'Tournament Mode'. Tournament mode should be played with competetive format (Conquest or LMS, at least BO3), should be available for everyone for free or small fee (not 1k gold, 150 max), should be played with normal Hearthstone rules. I forgive them this scam if they really will do that. But they will never so I will continue to play ES:L.
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