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Great art can never be created without great suffering.
I have provided reasoning behind my belief that very few people will play the suggested new mode, and have yet to find any answer from the OP as to why anyone would play the new mode.
You have talked around the point, and kicked up the metaphorical dust of picking apart every sentence from those who disagree with you to try and find something to discredit them, but you have yet to provide anything of substance that can answer the simple question - why does this gamemode need to be implemented? What about this gamemode would make it a good addition to the game?
Having said that, one suggestion I noticed above would be an interesting addition to the game, although it has nothing to do with Casual mode - the ability to create your own custom rulesets for deckbuilding within the client would be nice, just as a simpler way for two friends to compete against one another with wacky decks. You can obviously already do this by just communicating with each other, but the ability to set the rules in-game so that deckbuilding is easier, and to control RNG effects - for example, controlling the expansions that Piloted Shredder will drop from - would be a real bonus.
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@ShadowsOfSense, I'm pretty sure at the point you're arguing with someone repeatedly over wording and semantics instead of the substance of the conversation itself it's probably a lost cause. Kudos to you and Vultrae for having patience though.
In regards to the lobby thing, that was why I think it would be a cool feature. My friends and I will make dumb rules and then build decks for them when we're tired of meta decks, and it would be perfect for people who might want a change of pace from the norm; building it into a ruleset enforced lobby lets you do that with friends as well as with people you've never met. This also give Blizzard the ability to actually implement game modes centered around it with enough participation; for example if you look at ARAM in League, or the Zombies variant of Halo, they were huge custom variations that grew in the lobby itself and eventually saw full implementation in their respective games. You could legitimately have a game mode created on something like the Hearthpwn forums or r/hearthstone, and then tested and tweaked in a live environment. And at that point, you can straight up implement tournaments based on odd rulesets that at least assure you're going to have some amount of protection against people accidentally adding a card outside of the format. And if you're new you don't necessarily have to hop straight into it, you can do all the normal ladder stuff; but if you're feeling sad about your lack of collection you can do what Killzun is proposing and create the exact experience you think would let you play against other people who have a similar set of restrictions.
Also it avoid ripping out existing game modes because... reasons (wherever they are).
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Who's the Beatdown?
SO, I went out of my way and gather some posts in the thread real quick as an example of suggestions to change casual:
Post 25, 42, 47, 51, and 52.
This is a thread with a poll. Simple reasons have been given to suggest a change. Most people want to leave it "as is".
I'm still baffled at how some posters just don't read through the thread and insist on obligating another poster to bend to their demands.
K.I.S.S. Rock N Roll
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
Articles I suggest every player reads to improve at the game;
MTG/Hearthstone biases to avoid
Reframing negative Hearthstone experiences to improve at the game
Who's the Beatdown?
Wtf is the problem with this one?
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
It was hard to keep up once the conversation stopped talking about the topic and started getting into debate semantics but...
Was it addressed the reasons me and a few others had for why the specific idea of Pauper was a bad idea:
Such a mode would result in a selection of cards that would result in a purely aggro/face deck, resulting in an extremely stale experience for anyone. This is due to the good common/rare cards being cheap and effective while the good control cards being epic/legendary.
And I'd like to add another I haven't yet: that new players would be even MORE torn to pieces in such a mode by stronger players.
The reason why I believe the other is in the Spoiler. If you already agree you can skip it and go right to my suggestions below.
That last one is due to evidence I've seen of another game that had this exact same mode. They had 'tiers' of battle rooms based on the power level of your deck with rarer cards adding more power. The lowest tier was impossible to put in the Legendary* cards and locked you down basically to commons and rares, maybe one epic if you go mostly common.
The result was that some higher end players quickly developed a deck that would easily tear through any other deck in that format. It helped that the game wasn't balanced around such a playstyle, so while the deck was trash in the higher tiers it was vastly overpowered in the lowest tier.
Thus two things happened: new players could not play in that mode unless they specifically focused on crafting a deck that would be worthless outside of that one format and practiced enough of the game to master it. Otherwise, they would be just food for the newbie grinders with years experience of the game. Think Rank 20 farmers who didn't have to go to the trouble of deranking. Thank goodness that the game had a strong PvE mode so newbies could build their decks there instead.
The second thing: only one deck could exist. Very small card base, with most of the interesting cards blocked, in a single format that didn't represent the majority of the game. One deck took over, and that was literally the ONLY deck you could play there and expect a win from. And, of course, pure weeny aggro deck that a dog could play (and note, I respect aggro shaman and face hunter here, so when *I* say "brainless deck" I means something HS hasn't seen).
So basically their pauper mode resulted in a mode where only one deck was ever played, no newbies had any reason to visit, and no hope for balancing.
I'm all for changing the name of 'Casual' to "Unranked" or "Practice" and leaving it as a mode to try out ranked decks: they DO need a mode for that after all. I'm all for additional modes for those who don't want ladder. An entirely new mode of basic/common cards? No! Make a brawl of it. Make tournaments of it, but new mode..which takes time to code and develop which could be put into other features, has to be good, and pauper is not.
I'd honestly rather the next big mode to be added in be a custom mode as others have suggested. Set up rooms that random people or specific friends can go to and host games based on rules you decide on. Theme it like a Common Room in an inn with tables people can sit in and play among a few others. Think Starcraft UMS styled customization, though not needed a separate program to make it happen. But instead being able to customize like crazy. Ban cards or decks. Ban classes. Change stats. If they can pull it off, change abilities, at least basic ones. Add taunt to every minion, or remove charge from every minion. Make fireball do 1 damage. Play with only 15 cards in your deck and 100 health. If they COULD let you customize EVERYTHING then that's great, but whatever they could add in is fine, though they could add to it later.
That would not only allow for the variety people crave since they could just alter things however they wish, but also help with friend finding since you could meet with others in tables rather than random people in one match you'll never see again. It would also make tournaments easier to form since everyone could sit in one table.
And if you want to play in a pauper mode, you could set it up.. then find out why it's such a horrible mode.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
Valid points. And the poll shows most people want to leave it "as is".
I still want to rename into "Practice" for each format. Which really just leaves it the same but with a different name.
The new Casual would require new code, which does mean more work.
However, I still hold that an option for new players and F2P players needs to be implemented. I have an enormous collection of cards in the game. I like to make janky decks on my iPad/iPhone and play in casual mode (I don't play ranked with the iPad/iPhone because of disconnects, but I also don't play ladder decks in those devices - except when I get annoyed at seeing ladder decks and then play CW, CP, MR, FM in casual - but will concede if I see someone with a basic deck, they don't deserve the punishment). It is horrible when I'm playing a janky deck and I face someone with a basic/starter deck, I'm then looking at do I concede or do I play and let them see the other possible decks that are out there?
On the other hand, there are times where I want to practice but not lose rank. And would like to face more competitive decks against competitive players. I don't want to face basic decks or janky decks.
Just starting players should be able to play in an even ground arena, while they get used to mechanics and playing against decks they have a better chance to win. Instead of playing against someone like me, with a big collection and who hits rank 5 often. Needless to say, facing a player that hits legend consistently.
Also, (I believe this was discussed in another thread) and option to choose a class to ban would also help make the game more refreshing. For example, you log in and you are able to choose not to play against Warriors (For that day, not choose at login). And you can choose classes on a rotational basis, so no one is able to abuse not facing a certain class. The class ban resets after all classes have been selected and you start over again.
The whole thing I have mentioned over and over again is that casual is being exploited by ladder decks and gold farmers, which ruins the game for other players wanting to move away from ladder.
Great art can never be created without great suffering.
One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.