The whole 'accusing Blizz of being money-grubbing' actually bothers me a lot. If they wanted money, they probably wouldn't have worked on a children's card game. They only made hearthstone this amazing because of selfless dedication and hard work. And what does their community say? They're greedy? It physically hurts me whenever I see someone saying something like that. It's unbelievably offensive and can't imagine what a Blizz dev feels when they get accused of something like that.
Seriously man? They work for money, like all of us. This "children's card game", as you call it, is a great way to make it, and also, the usual way to support their families. But, I love money as well dude (in a healtily way, I'm not crazy about it :P), what is wrong with that? Of course, there are more important things in life, but you can't deny it helps a lot. ;)
Yes, they work for money, but money isn't the overall objective for hearthstone. Blizz honestly wants to create games for everyone to enjoy. If they wanted money, they'd go be a businessman somewhere. A lot of people on these forums come to these money-grubbing conspiracies about Blizz's design process saying stuff like: "They did this so people would buy packs, so that they'll get more money. Blizz just wants to rob you". You don't think that's offensive? To selflessly work for a company making games and have your fans say that about you?
Yes, they work for money, but money isn't the overall objective for hearthstone. Blizz honestly wants to create games for everyone to enjoy. If they wanted money, they'd go be a businessman somewhere. A lot of people on these forums come to these money-grubbing conspiracies about Blizz's design process saying stuff like: "They did this so people would buy packs, so that they'll get more money. Blizz just wants to rob you". You don't think that's offensive? To selflessly work for a company making games and have your fans say that about you?
Blizzard is a business, so they are already businessmen.
Yes, they work for money, but money isn't the overall objective for hearthstone. Blizz honestly wants to create games for everyone to enjoy. If they wanted money, they'd go be a businessman somewhere. A lot of people on these forums come to these money-grubbing conspiracies about Blizz's design process saying stuff like: "They did this so people would buy packs, so that they'll get more money. Blizz just wants to rob you". You don't think that's offensive? To selflessly work for a company making games and have your fans say that about you?
What? They don't work selflessly for a company... as you said on the first sentence, they work for the money, and usually to support their families. Also, yeah, probably Blizzard wants to create games for everyone to enjoy, but also to win a lot money (you can make a lot of it on the video game industry, and they are already an important company on the market)... one does not exclude the other.
They didn't join blizzard for money, they joined to make games. Making money is a byproduct that can't be ignored, but it is not the single driving force behind making their design decisions.
They didn't join blizzard for money, they joined to make games. Making money is a byproduct that can't be ignored, but it is not the single driving force behind making their design decisions.
When they joined Blizzard, they were probably looking for a job they could enjoy mate... and so, a nice way to earn money, because you know, everyone needs it.
Also, I have a question for you sashashepto, which one do you think is worse, being called a money-grubbing or an idiot that doesn't know how to do his job?
Money-grubbing is worse. It implies that you are deliberately cheating money out of other people, as opposed to just not understanding the correct course of action. For the record, Blizzard is neither of these.
The whole 'accusing Blizz of being money-grubbing' actually bothers me a lot. If they wanted money, they probably wouldn't have worked on a children's card game. They only made hearthstone this amazing because of selfless dedication and hard work. And what does their community say? They're greedy? It physically hurts me whenever I see someone saying something like that. It's unbelievably offensive and can't imagine what a Blizz dev feels when they get accused of something like that.
You're kidding, right? I'm sure the folks "doing the doing" in card design, art, coding etc. aren't money-grubbing trolls; but if you think the first objective of the people actually making the decisions is anything other than turning a staggering profit, you are sadly naive.
To be clear, that's fine. Blizzard makes great games and is entitled to whatever they can make selling them. Just don't kid yourself about what this is all about and how it impacts the game. If the devs were a merry band of selfless game-designing fairies, they would've granted an option to full-value DE every card on GvG and Naxx when they roll out Standard and they would've fixed MC months ago. But, their real job is to sell expansions and packs, so we are where we are.
They didn't join blizzard for money, they joined to make games. Making money is a byproduct that can't be ignored, but it is not the single driving force behind making their design decisions.
When they joined Blizzard, they were probably looking for a job they could enjoy mate... and so, a nice way to earn money, because you know, everyone needs it.
Money is a factor in the decions that Blizzard makes. It has to be. They are a company, and in order for them to continue to exist they do need to make returns.
HOWEVER I agree with sasha in that assuming that money is the primary motivating factor behind every design decision is likely a brutal overstatement. It's infuriating, actually, that everyone jumps to calling them money-grabbers. Because think about it this way for a second. Let's assume you wanted to make a game. You had this cool idea for Stonehearth, an online ccg. You make the game and it ends up being much more successful than expected. Now you have more resources to pour into the game. Do you think every decision you'd make in this scenario is "how can I make more money?" If your answer is yes, then fine, I guess at least you're consistent in your thought process. But if you think you'd be motivated differently, like by say a desire to make it better, then why would the Blizzard devs be any different? Blizzard devs aren't this lofty "other," they are people. And they think and act like anyone else. And most people are motivated by more than just money. There are definitely people in the games industry motivated by money, but the idea that everyone at Blizzard is is an overstatement. Especially when you consider all the existing research in Industrial/Organizational psychology (google around on this if you want to look into it).
Money-grubbing is worse. It implies that you are deliberately cheating money out of other people, as opposed to just not understanding the correct course of action. For the record, Blizzard is neither of these.
Really? Since when being an idiot is better than being cunning?
Since ever? Is there any malice in being an idiot? No. Is there malice in being a thief? Yes. If someone simply doesn't know the correct course of action, then it's fine since humans are imperfect creatures (getting things wrong is a good thing, since most learning happens from mistakes). But if someone is deliberately cheating and robbing, then the malice of their character is exposed.
You know that there's a difference between being greedy and being a thief, right? No one is accusing blizz of the latter, which is worse than being dumb. They are the former, and that's fine.
You know that there's a difference between being greedy and being a thief, right? No one is accusing blizz of the latter, which is worse than being dumb. They are the former, and that's fine.
I consider a company using unreasonable measures to extract money from their customers to simultaneously be thievery and greed. In this sense, the two words share a meaning. And I simply disagree about either claim, and it hurts to see when other people hold either belief.
I work in software development and I can tell you that entire teams of testers testing something for months will still miss things every time. We'll have an app that was tested for months by professionals and the first day we release it to beta testing someone will find a bug that was missed. That's how things like MC get through. You can't catch everything.
Since ever? Is there any malice in being an idiot? No. Is there malice in being a thief? Yes. If someone simply doesn't know the correct course of action, then it's fine since humans are imperfect creatures (getting things wrong is a good thing, since most learning happens from mistakes). But if someone is deliberately cheating and robbing, then the malice of their character is exposed.
But they are not thiefs, you are totally exaggerating here. They mostly care about our money, but in a legal way, since they don't put a gun in our faces and steal it from us... They give us a product we enjoy in exchange for it, sometimes using ways we don't really like, but that is all. Of course, this behaviour can be perceived as a bad thing by some people, but it is not the end of the world, and Hearthstone is a very funny game.
I work in software development and I can tell you that entire teams of testers testing something for months will still miss things every time. We'll have an app that was tested for months by professionals and the first day we release it to beta testing someone will find a bug that was missed. That's how things like MC get through. You can't catch everything.
Would you miss putting a card like Mysterious Challenger in a deck with secrets and the best cards you can get to fill the curve. Are you serious? That is beyond silly dude...
Since ever? Is there any malice in being an idiot? No. Is there malice in being a thief? Yes. If someone simply doesn't know the correct course of action, then it's fine since humans are imperfect creatures (getting things wrong is a good thing, since most learning happens from mistakes). But if someone is deliberately cheating and robbing, then the malice of their character is exposed.
But they are not thiefs, you are totally exaggerating here. They mostly care about our money, but in a legal way, since they don't put a gun in our faces and steal it from us... They give us a product we enjoy in exchange for it, sometimes using ways we don't really like, but that is all. Of course, this behaviour can be perceived as a bad thing, but it is not the end of the world, and Hearthstone is a very funny game.
I'm pretty confident saying that Blizzard mostly cares about our money is also an exaggeration...
You know that there's a difference between being greedy and being a thief, right? No one is accusing blizz of the latter, which is worse than being dumb. They are the former, and that's fine.
I consider a company using unreasonable measures to extract money from their customers to simultaneously be thievery and greed. In this sense, the two words share a meaning. And I simply disagree about either claim, and it hurts to see when other people hold either belief.
Never said what they do is unreasonable, just that job one is selling packs and adventures. Blizzard doesn't make games for the simple purpose of putting joy into the world any more than Ralph Lauren designs clothes just because he likes nice things. Businesses exist to make money. Fortunately for us, they have to make things we need or want to accomplish that.
To be clear, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of people at Team 5 take real pleasure in making cool games. That's why they design games instead of working at a law firm or a big bank. It's just that making cool games isn't job one. Making games that people spend lots of money on is. Try to think of one purely selfless thing blizz has done for us in HS. I'll wait.
Also, as a general comment, if people saying negative things about people you don't even know hurts your feelings, this whole Internet thing may not work out very well for you.
I'm exaggerating the idea of 'money-grubbing' into 'thievery' to make a more tangible idea to conceptualize. You asked if being an idiot is better than being cunning? Yes. I judge people not on the amount of knowledge they have, but on the morals they hold. I respect an honest idiot much more than a deceitful thief.
Yes, they work for money, but money isn't the overall objective for hearthstone. Blizz honestly wants to create games for everyone to enjoy. If they wanted money, they'd go be a businessman somewhere. A lot of people on these forums come to these money-grubbing conspiracies about Blizz's design process saying stuff like: "They did this so people would buy packs, so that they'll get more money. Blizz just wants to rob you". You don't think that's offensive? To selflessly work for a company making games and have your fans say that about you?
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They didn't join blizzard for money, they joined to make games. Making money is a byproduct that can't be ignored, but it is not the single driving force behind making their design decisions.
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Also, I have a question for you sashashepto, which one do you think is worse, being called a money-grubbing or an idiot that doesn't know how to do his job?
Money-grubbing is worse. It implies that you are deliberately cheating money out of other people, as opposed to just not understanding the correct course of action. For the record, Blizzard is neither of these.
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Since ever? Is there any malice in being an idiot? No. Is there malice in being a thief? Yes. If someone simply doesn't know the correct course of action, then it's fine since humans are imperfect creatures (getting things wrong is a good thing, since most learning happens from mistakes). But if someone is deliberately cheating and robbing, then the malice of their character is exposed.
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You know that there's a difference between being greedy and being a thief, right? No one is accusing blizz of the latter, which is worse than being dumb. They are the former, and that's fine.
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I work in software development and I can tell you that entire teams of testers testing something for months will still miss things every time. We'll have an app that was tested for months by professionals and the first day we release it to beta testing someone will find a bug that was missed. That's how things like MC get through. You can't catch everything.
I'm exaggerating the idea of 'money-grubbing' into 'thievery' to make a more tangible idea to conceptualize. You asked if being an idiot is better than being cunning? Yes. I judge people not on the amount of knowledge they have, but on the morals they hold. I respect an honest idiot much more than a deceitful thief.
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