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What he hell? You believe in this? This are the same persons who said "We never imagined Mysterious Challenger to have such an impact"

Conspiracy or what? They made MC, so that everyone had to buy the last WIng of Naxx to play the Strongest Deck and now they are rotating it out with every other strong Card from this Deck and damn it everyone believes them. How is that possible?!

What the hell is wrong with you?!

 Are you implying that Secret paladin is OP? And if you think it is, have you any proof behind this? Since the winrates im seeing on metasnapshot, hearthstats point it out as beeing good but not OP.

Propably again one of those who dont know whats OP and whats just a good Tier1 Deck.

 Gtfo, Secret Paladin was the only deck a BOT could hit +50% winrate with. That indicates that some cards may be a little bit too powerful 

 Gtfo? Sounds more like your just salty towards Secret Paladin. And where did a bot do 50% winrate with secret paladin? link plz. Otherwise i call bullshit on your comment.

 https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/3q3r8l/analysis_secret_paladin_bots/ Just one of the many.. also popular streamers talked about it. Secret Pally is just terribly OP.

Kripp's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECbJ3tU4hJY

Your defense now sir ^^

The fact is, paying customers are upset and most likely won't pay again. PAYING customers are as important or maybe even more important than f2pcustomers. We are maybe les's in numbers but certainly invest a lot more.

You know why those winrates of secret paladins are lower than your crusher shaman? Because crusher shaman didnt have to play 50% of the volume vs themselves.

These days secret paladins on bots play other bots with secrets paladins and make the general winrate go down. I bet if you discount those games against paladin class the winrate will skyrocket. And every single other class having sub45% winrate proves it even more that other classes can't even compare with secret paladins

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The fact is, paying customers are upset and most likely won't pay again. PAYING customers are as important or maybe even more important than f2pcustomers. We are maybe les's in numbers but certainly invest a lot more.

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The fact is, paying customers are upset and most likely won't pay again. PAYING customers are as important or maybe even more important than f2pcustomers. We are maybe les's in numbers but certainly invest a lot more.

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Its the same like you wanna buy a PS1. You pay 50$ more for the slim one, because it looks much better but does the same overall. So 3 years later there is the PS2 and PS1 is gettin worthless. Should Sony give you back your money? OFC not.

What kind of stupid example is this? This is a spot-on comparison! PS2 Standard format getting out doesn't stop you from using your PS1 Wild format to play all the games cards you've bought, or to sell them all to recoup some money back dust them for normal value like any other card. None All of this can be done with HS where everything is digital, impossible to sell where you were never able to sell cards for cash (even before this announcement),  and now worthless for the cared for format all the cards will still be perfectly usable from now until the end of time.

 Fixed that for you.

 Thank you for clarifying, i really dont get why he thinks my example is stupid, at least some people understand it ^^

It's still a stupid example to be honest. The cards may stay the same, yes, but the environment in which they're played does not. Apparently FortyDust is unable to grasp the concept that if a card only becomes usable in an non-supported, "casual" forgotten format then the fact that they're unchanged is largely irrelevant since the gaming experience in which they're used is different (worse) regardless.

Ps2 coming out doesn't stop you from using your Ps1 the same exact way you always used it. Standard does, forcing us to use the same cards in a no-rules, unbalanced and second rate format unlike the one we're playing now (which will become the new Standard).

 And yet Blizzard has gone on record that they'll be keeping Wild balanced, just like Standard, so how exactly is it a "forgotten" format?

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I think we should go back to the subject:  How blizard made a move that is a scam for old players, specially paid players like us who paid for a product which is going to be completely changed. It is not a product we will not use:

-for the most important game mode, the ranked mode that we play today (which will be called 'standard') The name of the mode doesn't matter.
-for tournament scene (standard) That ESPECIALLY doesn't matter. You are almost expected to shell out money consistently if you intend on competing in any game that pumps out product consistently.
-For the gamemode with the majority of online players (standard) As long as there's someone to play against, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode that shows your rank publicly (standard) Is ego hurt because you get a R25 plaque instead of a R5 plaque? Either way, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode where there will be emphasis in balance (standard) That doesn't matter at all. You bought the cards. You don't get to decide to have cold feet now.

invests more then 100 bucks on a game you don't even need to spend money on

complains about being poor at managing money essentially.

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I think we should go back to the subject:  How blizard made a move that is a scam for old players, specially paid players like us who paid for a product which is going to be completely changed. It is not a product we will not use:

-for the most important game mode, the ranked mode that we play today (which will be called 'standard') The name of the mode doesn't matter.
-for tournament scene (standard) That ESPECIALLY doesn't matter. You are almost expected to shell out money consistently if you intend on competing in any game that pumps out product consistently.
-For the gamemode with the majority of online players (standard) As long as there's someone to play against, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode that shows your rank publicly (standard) Is ego hurt because you get a R25 plaque instead of a R5 plaque? Either way, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode where there will be emphasis in balance (standard) That doesn't matter atall.You bought the cards. You don't get to decide to have cold feet now.

The only childish behavior are people blindly supporting this screw job. Like taking candy from a baby

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I think we should go back to the subject:  How blizard made a move that is a scam for old players, specially paid players like us who paid for a product which is going to be completely changed. It is not a product we will not use:

-for the most important game mode, the ranked mode that we play today (which will be called 'standard') The name of the mode doesn't matter.
-for tournament scene (standard) That ESPECIALLY doesn't matter. You are almost expected to shell out money consistently if you intend on competing in any game that pumps out product consistently.
-For the gamemode with the majority of online players (standard) As long as there's someone to play against, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode that shows your rank publicly (standard) Is ego hurt because you get a R25 plaque instead of a R5 plaque? Either way, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode where there will be emphasis in balance (standard) That doesn't matter atall.You bought the cards. You don't get to decide to have cold feet now.

 What a shitty post. You basically wrote "I don't care" on everything he said.

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I think we should go back to the subject:  How blizard made a move that is a scam for old players, specially paid players like us who paid for a product which is going to be completely changed. It is not a product we will not use:

-for the most important game mode, the ranked mode that we play today (which will be called 'standard') The name of the mode doesn't matter.
-for tournament scene (standard) That ESPECIALLY doesn't matter. You are almost expected to shell out money consistently if you intend on competing in any game that pumps out product consistently.
-For the gamemode with the majority of online players (standard) As long as there's someone to play against, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode that shows your rank publicly (standard) Is ego hurt because you get a R25 plaque instead of a R5 plaque? Either way, this doesn't matter.
-For the gamemode where there will be emphasis in balance (standard) That doesn't matter at all. You bought the cards. You don't get to decide to have cold feet now.

 This person should be a socialist.  Socialist tell people what's better for them, even when they explicitly state otherwise. People like him should go to countries like cuba, north corea and venezuela and serve the warlords/druglords there, they are in dire need of true-to-idealism partners :). Everyone needs to do what they believe in

 Well you are in the minority so deal with it. The pro scene is happy with the change, people that have experience with other TCGs are happy about the change. And even people that haven't played other card games before are mostly happy about the change. You belong to a small sad minority that just likes to whine. 

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 Most of the pro scene has been asking for formats or a ban list for over a year. people here on hearthpwn have been making threads for months now how blizzard should introduce formats or a ban list. I personally also created such a thread probably over 8 months ago. This is not something blizzard just did and everyone accepted, this has been asked of them in the past quite often.

 

 Hey but did you read the intelligent posts around here?  The cycle out /format rotation is understood and needed.  But there are too many other decisions that are meant to harm us, look at the list I posted there. Just plain and simple.. why not add wild to tournaments as a minor competition:? why not show wild rank at least equal to standard rank? why take old expansions from the shop? Why not balance Gvg and Naxx cards NOW ? or, why only balance NOW standard (they annouced classic+basic set changes only)

I think it is very obvious what is going on

 There will be wild tournaments however the big one which is the world championship is going to be in standard so unless you are one of he pros this shouldn't affect you. Pros actually want the new format to take place as soon as possible. And the reason why you don't balance such old content is because once you start doing you can never stop people who will play wild will always keep nagging that certain cards in the wild are too strong. Team 5 wants to create new cards and new features not just keep balancing the old stuff. 

So in your wold they jsut knee jerklingly change the cards every month or so when people start complaining? Glad you arent in charge, mate.

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Quote from ponk87 >>probably because nerfing cards a month after they are out is absurd.

The Buzzard+Unleash combo remained up for monthts. Same for undertaker hunter, despite everyone and their aunts admitting of bullshittingly OP it was. Even Blizzard admitted that was a mistake. Not gonna change their attitude though.

Just cause one likes the idea of formats doesn't mean blizzards execution of this big change needs be supported 100%.

Old sets not being sellable, saying wild will only be balanced if turn 2 otks become a thing, saying standard is the official mode. That shows that wild is an afterthought to them, a small concession to those who grinded or paid for naxx or gvg cards. 

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Quote from ponk87 >>probably because nerfing cards a month after they are out is absurd.

The Buzzard+Unleash combo remained up for monthts. Same for undertaker hunter, despite everyone and their aunts admitting of bullshittingly OP it was. Even Blizzard admitted that was a mistake. Not gonna change their attitude though.

 They waited too long on Undertaker. Each other situation was perfectly reasonable to give the player a chance to fix it themselves, as we have done with many previous "broken" cards and decks. 

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I can only imagine you weren't playing at the time, as there's nothing players could "do" against the Buzzard+Unleash combo hunters. Literally nothing.

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I can only imagine you weren't playing at the time, as there's nothing players could "do" against the Buzzard+Unleash combo hunters. Literally nothing.

 Kind of like there's literally nothing you can do about Standard format.

Time to quit Hearthstone or accept the change. Those are your options. Please pick one.

 OMG. So everyone should accept everything thats coming upon him? Thats a dumb way to live your life... sry. Accept or Leave, no I rather fight and question the things that bother me.

Of course there is nothing we can do. But at least we can point out, that what they are doing is wrong. There are plenty of things happening, that are wrong, but no one can do something about them. At least we have the freedom to point out, that WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG!