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 It's, like, the very first post on the front page.

 No, I mean where are you getting this idea that Blizzard is not going to support Wild mode? They've said they are going to keep it balanced.  Rather than the "cry wolf" reactions let's look at what Ben Brode has actually said:

PC Gamer: Are you nervous about the community reaction?

BB: It is a big deal, it’s a really big change, but mostly we’re excited that we’re adding a whole new way to play Hearthstone, and you can keep playing Hearthstone the way you’ve been playing it if you’re not interested, or you can jump in and try out the crazy new format. I think because we’re not undermining what we’ve already got going that players will be excited to try out the new things.

 Apart of the fact that this is the same guy who said "We're not adding more Deck Slots because people would be confused", you do realize that's just deflecting the answer right? He's not saying anything about balance -at all- just claiming that you can keep playing standards as if it was today's ranked (minus all the lost cards *wink wink* gotta sell those expansions!).

Seriously I'm amazed at how people can take PR statements at face value, without questioning its validity or comparing words with proved history at all.

 Again you are wrong.  If you actually spend five minutes researching you'd possibly stop making incorrect statements (and reaching incorrect conclusions).  Brode has confirmed the HS team's goal is to keep Wild balanced.  He stated quite explicitly, "we will take steps to make sure both formats are balanced."

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 Think about how long it takes Blizzard takes to make Balance Changes right now. They're very fast working at those nerfs right? Only after Grim Patron hold a spot in every competitive players' set of deck in two major tournament, hardcore occupied for top ranked ladder did they nerf. That nerf on Dr.Boom also came very fast, considering how high powered level all the other 7 drop and late game minion were, he suuure was balanced appearing in 45% of the decks. Their fast and reactive nerf on cards are truly amazing. I bet that if they spend 80% of the time balanced a new competitive format and 20% balancing a format with ton of cards, they can actually balance it! How much do you actually trust Blizzard on maintaining balance on a "fun mode" where only exclusive old player can get into, it will be like "Constructed Tavern Brawl" where more than half of them are crap after 4 days when everyone start running the same circle of decks that are top tier/balanced around each other. The idea for legacy is certainly cool, I even loved talking to my deck building friends about it. I am hyped for decks such as revised Crusher Shaman in new Standard. But the fact that GVG control cards I crafted will never see play even on Wild, they are beyond saving. The power level difference for "Core Card" in Wild will grow so out of control that you should basically dust anything that are mediocre (Even if they are mega-cool). The chance of interesting old card seeing play will only decrease due to their neglect in the focus of that aspect in Wild, I hope they were actually trying to make gameplay interesting with GVG/Naxxaramus cards until they announced this new mode thing. 

Overall I think the only balance into Wild will be when a new Patron OTK combo appear and takeover Wild. Until then, no matter how dominant any deck get. It won't be fixed.

What I would love is that if they overbuff certain cards that have interesting mechanic more ignoring balance. As Wild won't be competitive anyway, the idea that Blizzard will balance it with less care than now is dangerous.

 

I share the ideology that Kibler had on discussion on pro and con of Standard/Wild. It is an idea that help the game in the long run, but this is not the best implementation. I always have benefit of the doubt and this is no cry-wolf reaction. Of course I would love for this to turn out great, but after looking into sources on Blizzard Reddit post and Streamer/participant reaction to such. I believe this is a huge mistake. I hope Blizzard can prove me wrong in this one, because in the past 15 years of playing Blizzard games I have not.

Do you guys understand that NOTHING happens to the current game (besides a bit of balancing clearly OP cards as Dr.Boom) and Standard play is a stand-alone mode that doesn't influence Wild mode in any way?

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Do you guys understand that NOTHING happens to the current game (besides a bit of balancing clearly OP cards as Dr.Boom) and Standard play is a stand-alone mode that doesn't influence Wild mode in any way?

 Dr. Boom is not getting balanced. Ever. The only thing they do is getting rid of some basic cards like savage roar.

Wild will stay an unbalanced mess, which in turn forces you to play standard as main format.

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Do you guys understand that NOTHING happens to the current game (besides a bit of balancing clearly OP cards as Dr.Boom) and Standard play is a stand-alone mode that doesn't influence Wild mode in any way?

 Dr. Boom is not getting balanced. Ever. The only thing they do is getting rid of some basic cards like savage roar.

Wild will stay an unbalanced mess, which in turn forces you to play standard as main format.

 Dr. Boom is a neutral card.  Everyone can play him.  No need to balance.

Can i ask a question that its answer is currently unclear to me?

They are going to nerf some Classic cards. After they do that, the full DE refund period  will be for the whole Classic set or for the cards they nerfed only?

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Do you guys understand that NOTHING happens to the current game (besides a bit of balancing clearly OP cards as Dr.Boom) and Standard play is a stand-alone mode that doesn't influence Wild mode in any way?

 Dr. Boom is not getting balanced. Ever. The only thing they do is getting rid of some basic cards like savage roar.

Wild will stay an unbalanced mess, which in turn forces you to play standard as main format.

 Dr. Boom is a neutral card.  Everyone can play him.  No need to balance.

Story 1:

Veteran: - Hey man, a have a full set of goldens!

Noob: - I don't give a s#@t about goldens, I dE em to craft my competitive decks for the championship!

A while later:

Noob: - Hey man, I've won the championship! Blizz gave me full collection and I pick all non golden, I still don't give a s#@t about them!

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Story 2:

Veteran: - Hey man, I have plenty of banned cards, I want full refund!

Noob: - Please man, give me some, can't play Wild because of those Sludges fellows! But fortunately, I've read in a post I can buy a Mad Scientist folk to help me...

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Story 3:

Veteran: - My collection is more unique because I have golden cards. Look how shinny is my shielded mini bot with his divine shield, deal with it noobers!

A while later Blizzard breaking news...

Noob: - YOU HAVE A FULL GOLD COLLECTION!! WHAT?!!

Veteran: - That's worths nothing, Now DE em for nothing! Look at my Standard golden deck i've made out of it.

Noob: - Hey man, let's play some wild, I've crafted full gold collection.

Veteran: - Don't have the cards anymore but I'll destroy you with my naxx cardback

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Story 4:

Noob: - Wild, I don't know what's that, I rather play just Standard where pros, streamers and the real action is. Wild is the new casual!

Veteran: - Standard, I don't know what's that, a rather play nothing cause I can't update my collection with the new expansions! That's not how Hearthstones use to be...

Noob: - OK, may I ask you a huge favor? I'll be forever in your debt. May I borrow your accont? Thinking about checking out this wild mode.

Veteran: No man, I will give it to you, lost my faith in Hearthstones.

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To think about

First world problems. lol

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First world problems. lol

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Story 1:

Veteran: - Hey man, a have a full set of goldens!

Noob: - I don't give a s#@t about goldens, I dE em to craft my competitive decks for the championship!

A while later:

Noob: - Hey man, I've won the championship! Blizz gave me full collection and I pick all non golden, I still don't give a s#@t about them! 

 More like: I like having golden cards since they look awesome. I crafted them since there was NO INDICATION that they might be usless at any point in the game. Also it still is an arbitrary decision to keep classic for ever and just lose everything else. 

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Its the same like you wanna buy a PS1. You pay 50$ more for the slim one, because it looks much better but does the same overall. So 3 years later there is the PS2 and PS1 is gettin worthless. Should Sony give you back your money? OFC not.

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Its the same like you wanna buy a PS1. You pay 50$ more for the slim one, because it looks much better but does the same overall. So 3 years later there is the PS2 and PS1 is gettin worthless. Should Sony give you back your money? OFC not.

What kind of stupid example is this? PS2 getting out doesn't stop you from using your PS1 to play all the games you've bought, or to sell them all to recoup some money back. None of this can be done with HS where everything is digital, impossible to sell (unlike real life TCG, another failed example many use) and now worthless for the cared for format.

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Its the same like you wanna buy a PS1. You pay 50$ more for the slim one, because it looks much better but does the same overall. So 3 years later there is the PS2 and PS1 is gettin worthless. Should Sony give you back your money? OFC not.

What kind of stupid example is this? This is a spot-on comparison! PS2 Standard format getting out doesn't stop you from using your PS1 Wild format to play all the games cards you've bought, or to sell them all to recoup some money back dust them for normal value like any other card. None All of this can be done with HS where everything is digital, impossible to sell where you were never able to sell cards for cash (even before this announcement),  and now worthless for the cared for format all the cards will still be perfectly usable from now until the end of time.

I'm afraid I don't understand that salt. The cards aren't going away, they're all still playable. In wild format Death's Bite, Sludge Belcher, Piloted Shredder, Dr. Boom, ect. are still going to be bomb cards. You're complaining about nothing.

600 Euros?  Whats that in greenbacks?  Like $1000?  You paid $1000 into HS?  How is that even possible?  If you were going for a golden set, then what is the issue?  Your shiny golden cards are still in your "digital collection" for you to look at whenever you want (as they have no other use ever since the only difference is purely the "bling").

First world problems....lol

Wild won't be getting any new players or the real focus of balance.  So Wild mode will slowly not even be played at all.  We all wasted a lot of money buying cards that is for sure.  

Oh my guard! All these plebs eating everything Ben Brode says without digging deeper into it. This is the biggest and harshest "milking the cow" moment blizzard has pulled off on us.

Wall of text coming up. Please bear with me.

I have played multiple TCGs (including ygo, magic and so on) competetively for many years and there are quite a lot of viable ways to have rotations and formats which make designing new cards easier.

I can't cover absolutely everything in a single post, but if something comes up, I'll try to reply or edit this post. So let's begin:

The first and the most important thing is by itself dividing a community in parts. They already did that with starcraft and diablo by releasing expansions and therefore making some people play older and newer versions. The result? Starcraft is dead straigh after hots release without any potential to come back. The analogy here is wild vs standard if you didn't figure it out yet.

Secondly, they won't balance wild mode in any way, which means nobody will play it really soon because of cancer and sheer luck, this is what happened with ygo "traditional" format, which is still balanced a little bit. I'm not even talking about ygo "unlimited" one... Another argument why nobody will play wild mode soon is that even if players don't necessarily think they are going to become professionals or invest that much time – they still like to compete and have a dream. Tournaments will be forced to be in standard. The only ladder giving points is also going to be standard. All the professionals and streamers will be playing standard mainly because of those reasons. Thus, wild will be fairly dead.

Furthermore, let's elaborate on a statement:

• Formats not currently not in Standard will no longer be available for purchase in the shop. Cards from them, including adventures, can be created with Arcane Dust.
  
  

 This is yet another move trying to milk all of the players who might want older cards for whatever purpose. Now, you will certainly have to use dust for 100% of the cards getting an insanely low value per pack bought. If they at least left those in the shops you could still buy let's say gvg packs and get some cards you want directly without disenchanting all of the bought cards for an insanely low value. It's hard to notice initially, but this especially impacts people who just want to have huge collections.

What is more, let's examine some statements about standard by blizzard:

• Standard will help make for a more dynamic and balanced metagame.

Definitely agree, but this is not the only way to achieve dynamic and balanced metagame.

• A select set of cards makes each new card have more impact!

This straight up translates to: You will have to buy new cards to be able to even have a decent deck.

• The developers will have more freedom to design exciting new cards.

Is the game about developers or players? If you're talking about devs' freedom you should rewrite hearthstone from scratch on the same engine or use a different one. Now if you're talking about game designers' freedom – deleting 20% of the cards from the game is yet again not the only way to achieve it. For example, ygo has a different approach which worked very well (that used to be called a "banlist", but got renamed into "limited cards list" as it includes not only banned, but limited cards). You have some cards to take a timeout, therefore you can release new cards that would be outright broken in combination with old cards.

• It lets newer players jump in faster without having to collect as many cards.

This is a straight up lie. We'll see why in a moment.

Consider a new player entering the game in the current state of the game. Obviously he needs a few wings of naxx and a few cards. Under 2000 dust he can make 3 different decks that would take him to rank 5 given the player has some skill. From that point onwards he can build his collection. Even if the game has 1 million cards, to be able to play a competitive deck he would only need a limited 30 cards amount which he could craft in a few months if he didn't want to spend money. Pretty good for a new player who isn't spending money, isn't it?

Now, make a million card pool into a few hundred card pool. Exactly the same process is applied in building his collection and range of decks he can play and the speed to collect the cards needed. Nobody needs to have every single card to play good decks. And if those cards you can use in an already low pool are getting rotated out – especially if you're not yet well established into the game regarding dust and gold, you're going to re-start everything once again. And that's very depressing for quite a lot of people. I don't understand much Russian, but as far as I've read on forums many of them are very unsatisfied just because of this reason.

And that's not all, those people who pay, but play quite rarely get discriminated also, as their value of cards is going to constantly fall off.

It wouldn't be as big of a problem in changing formats if you could trade cards just like in live TCGs, because then you wouldn't have to buy that many packs to even have a chance at some cards. But that's obviously bad in an online game with the ability to earn free ingame currency.

Yet another important thing is people's expectations vs reality. People expected to have their cards usable in competitive format for their whole lives. Their expectations were based on what information blizzard provided before. After making such changes it's definitely okay to ask for some kind of one-time refund as OP is doing.

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I might still fill this post with more points.

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TLDR; blizzard is on a quest of killing games

lol.  Its free to play.  Nobody is getting "discriminated against".  Your hyperbole is over the top.  The introduction of standard is a natural evolution that has to happen in card based games.  Yes, blizzard is a for profit company.  They develop hearthstone to make money.  If you can't handle that concept for what its worth, move on to something else.  

I have about $60 in this game.  It was worth every penny to me.  And I am in favor of the standard format as it gives new life to the game for me.  Your wall of text is not going to change my mind or make me feel bad for you or anyone else.