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That was also only limited to basic and classic cards, at any given point in time now there will be 300-400 extra cards in the pool. there is also inherent design flaws in the specific classes powerlevels relative to others based on classic and basic.

I don't hate aggro, I just want adequate tools to combat it....refresh vendor and tournament medic are unquestionably "meh". I look forward to the new set and formats

I should clarify when I mean mechanics in HS I mean everything is played at "sorcery speed" to borrow a magic term, there is no real interaction outside taunt, you cant choose to block. 

Those things limit the design space, bolf ramshield (an example of creative design) needs to be 0/20 to be effective within HS confines and cost considerably less, and then everyone would argus or sunfury!

I admit i haven't seen the community designs, but unless they are employed by HS design team....thats fairly moot.

tempo mage is around since alpha? what are you drinking i want some of that. zoo wasnt even the current form zoo it was murloc zoo and druid its obvious why he existed since the beginning but he is getting nerfed to the ground. also secret paladin loses 2/3 of the deck how can you believe it will be viable? in hearthstone 1 card changes and the whole game changes see what paladins loses

avenge muster shredder minibot coghammer loatheb doctor boom creeper also juggler might get nerfed belcher and idk if i forget something. paladin became a thing cause of gvg and now gvg is gone along with all the cancer aggressive minions from naxx. if secret paladin becomes slower any form of control deck will have a free win out of you. no sticky minions means every aoe will clear the board completely and lets see you dumping your hand then your whole board wiped cause there will be no shredder or creeper to spawn minions so you will keep going face.

but the biggest hit is avenge try your secret paladin without avenge with all the other cards included to see the difference.

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tempo mage is around since alpha? what are you drinking i want some of that. zoo wasnt even the current form zoo it was murloc zoo and druid its obvious why he existed since the beginning but he is getting nerfed to the ground. also secret paladin loses 2/3 of the deck how can you believe it will be viable? in hearthstone 1 card changes and the whole game changes see what paladins loses

avenge muster shredder minibot coghammer loatheb doctor boom creeper also juggler might get nerfed belcher and idk if i forget something. paladin became a thing cause of gvg and now gvg is gone along with all the cancer aggressive minions from naxx. if secret paladin becomes slower any form of control deck will have a free win out of you. no sticky minions means every aoe will clear the board completely and lets see you dumping your hand then your whole board wiped cause there will be no shredder or creeper to spawn minions so you will keep going face.

but the biggest hit is avenge try your secret paladin without avenge with all the other cards included to see the difference.

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but @ snowwhite, that's all good and well, but when you take into consideration blizzards own attempts to diversify it, let's have a hypothetical thought exercise...

Assuming you need neutral replacements for heal in a deck also assume new standard with only tgt in play as we don't know yet, and

Your options are above(medic, refresh vendor), also not having a functional reprint of the Loatheb battlecry-effect at neutral would be bad for the game IMO. healing it a necessity for deck to survive aggro, and of course board clears.

You need these types of tools just based on hunter hero power alone. Maybe with the absence of deathrattles board clears will reign supreme again maybe not.

but an equivalent heal 4/ turn 6 heal 2 adequately revise the control. Unfortunately we are limited by game mechanics and there is a limit to design. I'm happy to entertain your control card ideas within the confines of heartstones game mechanics

Reading comments about how Healbot and Belcher leaving the meta will make aggro king would make someone believe that there was nothing but aggro in the pre-GvG era. However that could not be further away from the truth.
Before the infamous Undertaker period, the only playable neutral healing card was Earthen Ring Farseer. How was the format though? well, let's just say that Ysera was the single most important card in the game. It was THAT slow.

You know that all the high cost minions and spells that are worth using (7 or more mana) are epics or legendaries?  Unless they start releasing powerhouse commons or rares that are high mana cost, Standard is going to be aggro all day.  Cause aggro will be all 99% of players can build a deck with.  Control decks take a lot of time to assemble, much too much with expansions being tossed out of standard at the rate they will be.  So enjoy aggro heaven.

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 I believe you suffer from memory loss, because I very clearly remember Hunter and aggro being rampant before GvG came out, and even MORE rampant before Naxx gave us the most important Sludge Belcher. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

And just as food for thought, Naxx and GvG going out does very little harm to the second most cancerous aggro deck other than Hunter, face Shaman. And you talk of Ysera? Lol.

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You know that all the high cost minions and spells that are worth using (7 or more mana) are epics or legendaries?  Unless they start releasing powerhouse commons or rares that are high mana cost, Standard is going to be aggro all day.  Cause aggro will be all 99% of players can build a deck with.  Control decks take a lot of time to assemble, much too much with expansions being tossed out of standard at the rate they will be.  So enjoy aggro heaven.

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The first aggro decks were the turn-8-mage (8 mana Pyroblast) and the Tryharder warrior (face warrior). Then came the mur-lock and the zoo-lock (Argent Squires etc). All of those decks owe their partial success to the fact that most people ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain pre-nax, because the aggro matchup was not even considered a threat...

Bye.

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The first aggro decks were the turn-8-mage (8 mana Pyroblast) and the Tryharder warrior (face warrior). Then came the mur-lock and the zoo-lock (Argent Squires etc). All of those decks owe their partial success to the fact that most people ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain pre-nax, because the aggro matchup was not even considered a threat...

 False. People ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain because all the taunts and lifegain cards were HORRIBLE. All you had to seriously rely onto was Senjin, and all zoo-decks ran over it easily by turn 4. Cards like Antique or Chow or Sludge to mitigate the zoo didn't even exist at the time, it was only after those came out that Facehunter and Zoo started to become manageable.

Now those cards are gone, but the aggro remains. Either the slots remain open (meaning that aggro will ran us over again) or get replaced by identical cards with different flavour texts (basically a scam to make us re-purchase the same cards we had). Either way it's a lose-lose.

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The first aggro decks were the turn-8-mage (8 mana Pyroblast) and the Tryharder warrior (face warrior). Then came the mur-lock and the zoo-lock (Argent Squires etc). All of those decks owe their partial success to the fact that most people ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain pre-nax, because the aggro matchup was not even considered a threat...

 False. People ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain because all the taunts and lifegain cards were HORRIBLE. All you had to seriously rely onto was Senjin, and all zoo-decks ran over it easily by turn 4. Cards like Antique or Chow or Sludge to mitigate the zoo didn't even exist at the time, it was only after those came out that Facehunter and Zoo started to become manageable.

Now those cards are gone, but the aggro remains. Either the slots remain open (meaning that aggro will ran us over again) or get replaced by identical cards with different flavour texts (basically a scam to make us re-purchase the same cards we had). Either way it's a lose-lose.

 Since you know so much about how the new meta is going to play out can you share what the cards in the new set are with the rest of us? You know that cards that being added when these cards leave. I'm sure we'll agree with you about how smart you are and how dumb the poeple that make the game are.

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The first aggro decks were the turn-8-mage (8 mana Pyroblast) and the Tryharder warrior (face warrior). Then came the mur-lock and the zoo-lock (Argent Squires etc). All of those decks owe their partial success to the fact that most people ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain pre-nax, because the aggro matchup was not even considered a threat...

 False. People ran 0 taunts and 0 lifegain because all the taunts and lifegain cards were HORRIBLE. All you had to seriously rely onto was Senjin, and all zoo-decks ran over it easily by turn 4. Cards like Antique or Chow or Sludge to mitigate the zoo didn't even exist at the time, it was only after those came out that Facehunter and Zoo started to become manageable.

Now those cards are gone, but the aggro remains. Either the slots remain open (meaning that aggro will ran us over again) or get replaced by identical cards with different flavour texts (basically a scam to make us re-purchase the same cards we had). Either way it's a lose-lose.

 Since you know so much about how the new meta is going to play out can you share what the cards in the new set are with the rest of us? You know that cards that being added when these cards leave. I'm sure we'll agree with you about how smart you are and how dumb the poeple that make the game are.

 It's called logic, I'm sorry you can't do the same. Vanilla HS is naturally inclined towards aggro and it kept being so until Naxx came out to mitigate some effects of it, with GvG finally giving a decent balance. Now both these expansions are going out, which as I said means that they will either reprint similar cards to refill the  "I don't wanna lose turn4" slot or print entirely different cards altogether leaving aggro as it is(was) in vanilla. It's just logic, use it.