Divine Spirit / Inner Fire has always, and will always, feel like cheating to me. Its just unfathomable that these two cards still exist in standard. The game would be better off without them. Id frankly be happy if they were not HOF'ed but deleted entirely.
So, how you gonna win with Priest...
Board control perhaps ? Is it written somewhere that every class needs a built in OTK ?
I climbed to Legend last month with Quest Shaman annihilating Combo Priests , (65% win rate against them). I was running 1 plague of murloc, 1 earthshock and 2 vulperas though and not the Mutate package that everyone runs now. Currently playing Control Shaman with Zentimo, which singlehandedly kills Combo priest if drawn. I have no intention on climbing Legend this season, just enjoying making Priest players miserable(2 earthshocks, 2 hex, 2 earthquakes, 2 hagatha's schemes, come and face me you little Priest scum :P )
Right but this doesn't change Priest being broken, it just means you teched hard against it at the expense of one of Quest Shaman's strongest packages. The deck is so powerful that it forced you to run shitty cards to get an edge in the matchup, while making your deck worse against everything else.
I don't count earthshock, vulpera, or plague of murlocs as "shitty cards" I was saved from them many times against also a Quest Druid's full board or from an Aggro's warrior early game, many times, so "shitty cards" against everything else, NO, but I bet you netdeck the PRO players so no kind of intelligence or innovation from your side. But, I didn't came to discuss the quality of the cards. I came here to reply, to say thank you for considering me a skilled player, since I managed to climb to Legend with playing with shitty cards, thanks sir :) .
As for Combo priest, I didn't say it's not OP or something. Jumping into conclusions is a bad habit you know. I just said I make the lives of Priest Players miserable in ladder right now.
P.S As a tip, playing the Sandstorm 2nd in a Quest Shaman mirror match can give you the edge to win. Plague + hero power + sandstorm is most of times board clear or close to it. So I was sitting in my chair eating pop-corn while I saw them full mutate with their "strong package" and wreck them next turn :) :)
Jumping into conclusions is a bad habit you know.
Yeah I know, that's why I, contrary to you, am stating facts. Cheers
Or rather jumped to conclusions about how I form opinions on cards, how I build my decks, and how I might consider getting to Legend with (any version of) Quest Shaman skillful.
Yes, cutting the evolve package makes your deck weaker against the rest of the field, and a couple of fringe cases where a tech card helped in a different matchup doesn't make this not the case - averages > individual cases. There are better cards to remove to fit techs in. Earthshock can be pretty decent in a ladder setting if there's a lot of Priest but Plague of Murlocs is only really significant in a tournament setting where you know you will face Priest 1-2 times in a Bo3. Vulpera Scoundrel is super mediocre deck filler. We all experimented with this card early on and it was a massive disappointment.
Vulpera massive dissapointment on Quest Shaman? I still can't believe I reached legend, without a single mutate or former champ and with only one MC tech and with "terrible cards" that won me 62% of the games to climb to Legend(from rank7 to Legend). I must be really good at the game.
On a more serious note , having played more games against Combo priests, I realized that the only thing that really counters them on ladder is that the majority of the Priest players are uber noobs (an almost unbeatable deck in GM , can't have such a small win rate in ranks 5 to Legend). Lately I started having success against them with Quest Druid as well. Also I noticed Highlander Warrior farms them,(4-0 against them), but again, I think that it's just these people don't know how to pilot this deck. And that's good because it's disgusting.
I think I saw this on about every other hearthstone site. And the one thing that always stands out to me.
Priest is not present/working this expansion - fix it!
Priest is present/working this expansion - nerf it!
There's a gap between unplayable trash and godtier-steamrolling on everyone.
That is the essence of what I meant. Which for my own personal view, means that they still have no clue what class identities really are. The post that came from the dev's a few months back was nothing more than a pro/con list of each class. Fix the class identities and rework them ALL from the ground up and a lot of the issues go away. Things like IF/DS can be addressed at the same time.
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Cute, ineffective, but cute.
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There's a gap between unplayable trash and godtier-steamrolling on everyone.
With 9 mana cost AoE...
Vulpera massive dissapointment on Quest Shaman? I still can't believe I reached legend, without a single mutate or former champ and with only one MC tech and with "terrible cards" that won me 62% of the games to climb to Legend(from rank7 to Legend). I must be really good at the game.
On a more serious note , having played more games against Combo priests, I realized that the only thing that really counters them on ladder is that the majority of the Priest players are uber noobs (an almost unbeatable deck in GM , can't have such a small win rate in ranks 5 to Legend). Lately I started having success against them with Quest Druid as well. Also I noticed Highlander Warrior farms them,(4-0 against them), but again, I think that it's just these people don't know how to pilot this deck. And that's good because it's disgusting.
Turn 4?! Looks like your opponent had a slow day. You should buy him some packs to cheer him up.
That is the essence of what I meant.
Which for my own personal view, means that they still have no clue what class identities really are. The post that came from the dev's a few months back was nothing more than a pro/con list of each class.
Fix the class identities and rework them ALL from the ground up and a lot of the issues go away. Things like IF/DS can be addressed at the same time.
Cute, ineffective, but cute.