right the synergies are usually very obvious... many decks practically build themselves.
if you feel like you are some sort of genius because you made your own unique handcrafted deck you are delusional. 1st: in most cases it's really not that hard, 2nd: guaranteed someone has already discovered & built your "unique" deck before you did.
The entire net-deck vs home brew debate is a farce. It is predicated on the notion that a player must choose between an established build from the internet, or an equally viable build that they produced through their own skill and creativity. In the real world, no such choice exists. The average player simply cannot build a deck that is both viable, and doesn't resemble closely an established build. Because of the meta game, decks not resembling net-decks will under-perform. There are a handful of skilled builders out there who occasionally create a new meta-deck, but to suggest that every player can do so, and that most opt out due to laziness, is absurd.
As an example, I made a deck by searching on 'pirate', adding the resulting minions on curve. Then I added weapons and direct damage spells. It looks a lot like the pirate warrior lists. Did I net deck?
The entire net-deck vs home brew debate is a farce. It is predicated on the notion that a player must choose between an established build from the internet, or an equally viable build that they produced through their own skill and creativity. In the real world, no such choice exists. The average player simply cannot build a deck that is both viable, and doesn't resemble closely an established build. Because of the meta game, decks not resembling net-decks will under-perform. There are a handful of skilled builders out there who occasionally create a new meta-deck, but to suggest that every player can do so, and that most opt out due to laziness, is absurd.
As an example, I made a deck by searching on 'pirate', adding the resulting minions on curve. Then I added weapons and direct damage spells. It looks a lot like the pirate warrior lists. Did I net deck?
This 100 percent. .... I make my own decks all the time and people who are spectators, I ask how you like my new deck I made.....they say just same as the net decks, with minor changes. Even though I don't look at the net decks when I first made it. Does that make me an netdecker?
Ill be the first to admit I do have a single deck that is straight netdecked, but honestly its evolve shamen and everyone runs it the exact same way. Other then that I am a betweener, my decks always start out my own take on somthing and i give it 10 games before I go look up a build to see what they run and try to fix my decks flaws and its not even the entire deck, mabey like 6 or 10 cards. I have a way to limited collection to do the entire deck XD. Evolve shamen is just really cheep.
I often hear that netdecking is strongly despised, but do most players actually blind-copy the top-tier deck? (Because this is what most people write about it mad about) Most often I myself only see it as a reference. I wonder how it really is?
Netdecking is only "strongly despised" by a few vocal crusaders. In part, they like to pretend they are superior to others. But the larger part of their attitude comes from the fact that many of them don't understand (or don't accept) that even if a player builds his own deck from scratch, there's a very strong chance that it will look a lot like one of the popular meta decks.
Yes, you can go out of your way to try to be original and create something that hundreds of thousands of other players never dreamed of, but you're only fooling yourself. You might get a few wins due to the element of surprise, but in the long run your quirky deck will not stand up to the decks that have been sharpened to a razor edge by millions of matches.
So your other option is to build (from scratch) a deck that makes sense and will perform well. Well, guess what -- in most cases, that's going to come out looking like one of the decks we've all seen many times, even though you didn't copy it at all. Moreover, if you do come up with something original AND viable, it will eventually get copied and spread, and soon enough -- hey wow, you're using a netdeck.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I often hear that netdecking is strongly despised, but do most players actually blind-copy the top-tier deck? (Because this is what most people write about it mad about) Most often I myself only see it as a reference. I wonder how it really is?
Netdecking is only "strongly despised" by a few vocal crusaders. In part, they like to pretend they are superior to others. But the larger part of their attitude comes from the fact that many of them don't understand (or don't accept) that even if a player builds his own deck from scratch, there's a very strong chance that it will look a lot like one of the popular meta decks.
Yes, you can go out of your way to try to be original and create something that hundreds of thousands of other players never dreamed of, but you're only fooling yourself. You might get a few wins due to the element of surprise, but in the long run your quirky deck will not stand up to the decks that have been sharpened to a razor edge by millions of matches.
So your other option is to build (from scratch) a deck that makes sense and will perform well. Well, guess what -- in most cases, that's going to come out looking like one of the decks we've all seen many times, even though you didn't copy it at all. Moreover, if you do come up with something original AND viable, it will eventually get copied and spread, and soon enough -- hey wow, you're using a netdeck.
So what you're saying is, 'life is hard so just google the answers?'
I would say the phrase "blindly netdecking" is a little condescending and misleading.
Netdecking is popular because the most optimized decks have already been discovered.
I could throw together my own custom deck (and many times I do) but it'll often end up looking very similar to what's already been posted online on one of the meta sites... There's nothing new under the sun.
Yeah, straight copy-paste might be more accurate.
My point is not about the resulting deck, its about the process. I didn't meant to belittle netdecking, only curious why some people assume that MOST people straight copy-paste a winning deck. After 200 votes I believe that those people are relatively wrong.
I still think a lot of the people are lying haha. Subbing out one or two cards for some random card is still netdecking. I'd say that 98% of my games, I know almost exactly what the core of their deck is made up of, simply because of top decks on this website or others. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's just the way it is.
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Twitch name: Anatak15 NA Legend Season 48, 49, 52, 53, 54, 74
There's 3 kinds of players in this game, Netdeckers, People that netdeck then change 1-2 cards so they can lie to themselves and poor plebs that would be group 1/2 but can't because they're poor plebs.
Do you come up with every mathematics theorem you've ever used? My guess is no. The goal is to understand these theorems and combine them together to problem solve. That's what deckbuilding is. Sure, there will be a handful of people who do genuinely come up with their own archetypes or alter a deck enough to make it more useful to the masses, but for the most part, deckbuilding should be taking either an obvious or well known base and tweaking it to fit your playstyle, the meta, and your collection.
If I feel like going hard on the ladder, I'll netdeck and sub in tech cards as necessary (because while I'd say I'm a competent deckbuilder, I'm not great).
If I just feel like playing whatever or completing quests, I'll throw a deck together, but more often than not, it's probably pretty similar to a popular deck anyways. So in that case, while I didn't outright netdeck, I was aware that most of the cards in it are cards in a popular deck (due to playing against it more commonly than others). If you play a deck that has a lot of good/popular cards in it, it's most likely going to be very similar to a netdeck whether you intended to or not. That's just the nature of the game, and netdecking is how people learn to play the game and build decks on their own, not that most people would admit that they ever did it.
There's are 3 kinds of players in this game, Netdeckers, People that netdeck then change 1-2 cards so they can lie to themselves and poor plebs that would be group 1/2 but can't because they are poor plebs.
Well said. I see nothing wrong with netdecking. This website and others like it are dedicated to netdecking. You watch tournaments and the most popular decks in those tournaments are identical or differ by 1 or 2 cards. You beat a dude on ladder and he or she sends you a friend invite and subsequently calls you a piece of shit netdecker and then immediately unfriends you before you get the chance to tell them that they are playing pirate warrior.
I would estimate that around 95% of the games I play from rank 17-legend are netdecks. The only time I'm not a netdecker is when a new set comes out and like everyone else, we experiment for about a week and have a lot of fun. Then because of the popularity of twitch and websites like this, the best decks in the new meta get discovered within a week or two (with some slight deck optimization in the future). Then you start seeing the same decks over and over again and they stomp you so you come here or vS or HS top decks and get the decklists and play them.
Edit: Another reason people netdeck as I think has been mentioned before is that people don't want to waste dust on cards that end up not being good. I would probably not netdeck as much if I could open 250-500 packs when the new expansion comes out so that I can get every card in the new expansion. But most people can't afford or do not want to spend hundreds of dollars every expansion. It's hard to experiment and discover the best decks in the game when you have a limited card pool. Most people thought the hunter quest was really good and the rogue quest was trash before ungoro was released. Let the streamers/"pros" spend all the money and figure out which cards are actually good before you waste your limited amount of dust.
I netdeck because I don't know how to build decks. It doesn't come naturally to me. If there were an in-depth, up-to-date deck building tutorial or guide out there, I'd learn everything I need to know.
I really would like to better understand the ins and outs about great deck building and what goes in what kind of deck. Unfortunately, I can't find anything up to date on the internet that accounts for how the game is now vs. when it first came out.
I think there is a segment of Hearthstoners that play netdeck builds (+ or - a few cards) mostly to learn a new style, or because the deck looks fun, however, still build their own decks and have fun laddering with odd-ball decks. I am assuming other people do it, because that's what I do and enjoy to do (fallacy I know...). I would be interested to see a poll of "What percentage of the time do you play using a netdeck?"
I do play netdecks when I am completing a quest with a character I am not as confident with, laddering up a rank or two quickly (after hitting a rut with my own builds), or because I am interested in trying a different style and using it as a road map until I feel confident enough to build a deck in that area. However, I would definitely say that at most consists of 20%-30% of the games I play.
Do other people get bored of playing the same deck 5+ games in a row? I honestly have to either change decks, or call it quits for a few hours.
I often hear that netdecking is strongly despised, but do most players actually blind-copy the top-tier deck? (Because this is what most people write about it mad about) Most often I myself only see it as a reference. I wonder how it really is?
Netdecking is only "strongly despised" by a few vocal crusaders. In part, they like to pretend they are superior to others. But the larger part of their attitude comes from the fact that many of them don't understand (or don't accept) that even if a player builds his own deck from scratch, there's a very strong chance that it will look a lot like one of the popular meta decks.
Yes, you can go out of your way to try to be original and create something that hundreds of thousands of other players never dreamed of, but you're only fooling yourself. You might get a few wins due to the element of surprise, but in the long run your quirky deck will not stand up to the decks that have been sharpened to a razor edge by millions of matches.
So your other option is to build (from scratch) a deck that makes sense and will perform well. Well, guess what -- in most cases, that's going to come out looking like one of the decks we've all seen many times, even though you didn't copy it at all. Moreover, if you do come up with something original AND viable, it will eventually get copied and spread, and soon enough -- hey wow, you're using a netdeck.
So what you're saying is, 'life is hard so just google the answers?'
No. What I'm saying is, there is no point in reinventing the wheel -- unless you are into wheelmaking.
You can be an excellent race car driver and are fully entitled to enjoy the sport, even if you aren't an engineer.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
right the synergies are usually very obvious... many decks practically build themselves.
if you feel like you are some sort of genius because you made your own unique handcrafted deck you are delusional. 1st: in most cases it's really not that hard, 2nd: guaranteed someone has already discovered & built your "unique" deck before you did.
Ill be the first to admit I do have a single deck that is straight netdecked, but honestly its evolve shamen and everyone runs it the exact same way. Other then that I am a betweener, my decks always start out my own take on somthing and i give it 10 games before I go look up a build to see what they run and try to fix my decks flaws and its not even the entire deck, mabey like 6 or 10 cards. I have a way to limited collection to do the entire deck XD. Evolve shamen is just really cheep.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I still think a lot of the people are lying haha. Subbing out one or two cards for some random card is still netdecking. I'd say that 98% of my games, I know almost exactly what the core of their deck is made up of, simply because of top decks on this website or others. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's just the way it is.
Twitch name: Anatak15
NA Legend Season 48, 49, 52, 53, 54, 74
There's 3 kinds of players in this game, Netdeckers, People that netdeck then change 1-2 cards so they can lie to themselves and poor plebs that would be group 1/2 but can't because they're poor plebs.
Do you come up with every mathematics theorem you've ever used? My guess is no. The goal is to understand these theorems and combine them together to problem solve. That's what deckbuilding is. Sure, there will be a handful of people who do genuinely come up with their own archetypes or alter a deck enough to make it more useful to the masses, but for the most part, deckbuilding should be taking either an obvious or well known base and tweaking it to fit your playstyle, the meta, and your collection.
If I feel like going hard on the ladder, I'll netdeck and sub in tech cards as necessary (because while I'd say I'm a competent deckbuilder, I'm not great).
If I just feel like playing whatever or completing quests, I'll throw a deck together, but more often than not, it's probably pretty similar to a popular deck anyways. So in that case, while I didn't outright netdeck, I was aware that most of the cards in it are cards in a popular deck (due to playing against it more commonly than others). If you play a deck that has a lot of good/popular cards in it, it's most likely going to be very similar to a netdeck whether you intended to or not. That's just the nature of the game, and netdecking is how people learn to play the game and build decks on their own, not that most people would admit that they ever did it.
I netdeck because I don't know how to build decks. It doesn't come naturally to me. If there were an in-depth, up-to-date deck building tutorial or guide out there, I'd learn everything I need to know.
I really would like to better understand the ins and outs about great deck building and what goes in what kind of deck. Unfortunately, I can't find anything up to date on the internet that accounts for how the game is now vs. when it first came out.
I think there is a segment of Hearthstoners that play netdeck builds (+ or - a few cards) mostly to learn a new style, or because the deck looks fun, however, still build their own decks and have fun laddering with odd-ball decks. I am assuming other people do it, because that's what I do and enjoy to do (fallacy I know...). I would be interested to see a poll of "What percentage of the time do you play using a netdeck?"
I do play netdecks when I am completing a quest with a character I am not as confident with, laddering up a rank or two quickly (after hitting a rut with my own builds), or because I am interested in trying a different style and using it as a road map until I feel confident enough to build a deck in that area. However, I would definitely say that at most consists of 20%-30% of the games I play.
Do other people get bored of playing the same deck 5+ games in a row? I honestly have to either change decks, or call it quits for a few hours.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
If everyone had all the cards, we could all be more original.
I like to make cards and discuss game balance.
I enjoy when "No similar decks were found."
My latest deck: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1366184-scholomance-charge-rez-priest-wild