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Will some minions with Spell Damage +2 viable someday? Will them allow for some interesting combos? How should they be balanced? I personally imagine a 5 cost 4-3 minion with this effect.
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Card Design ChampionHmm... Well it's 4 mana and two cards to cast two 2/2 Kobolds each with Spell Damage +1, and a card is usually worth ~2 mana, so a 4/4 minion with Spell Damage +2 should cost around 6 mana. Now, Spell Damage is an ability that's worth more the lower the minion's cost is because a lower-cost minion means you have more mana left over to make use of the Spell Damage on the same turn. This same principle should apply to higher amounts of Spell Damage, and I personally don't think that a Spell Damage +2 minion should ever cost less than 5. So, a 5-mana 3/3 with Spell Damage +2 might be about right.
Spell damage should in most cases be represented by a minion lacking one point of attack compared to a similar minion
(Ogre Mage vs. Chillwind Yeti -- Kobold Geomancer vs. all the other 2-drops -- Frigid Snobold vs. Chillwind Yeti)
Ancient Blue Dragon
6 mana 3/7
Spell damage +2
-3 attack from Boulderfist Ogre for 2 spell damage, where we consider spell damage +2 to be worth 2 more statpoints than +1 spell damage.
Alternatively:
A spell damage weapon would fit in Mage:
1 damage 3 durability:
+2 spell damage
Reduce durability by 1 whenever you cast a spell that deals damage
yes, Dalaran Aspirant stacks spell damage.
I don't understand the need for the question.
Malygos is already Spell Damage +5.
Can't u just interpolote and judge the effectiveness?
Also Dalaran Aspirant.
"Put your face in the light!" - Tirion Fordring
Malygos is +5. just saying
I've actually used Ancient Mage in Shaman decks with some success. The difference between a 2-3 lightning storm and a 4-5 lightning storm is pretty significant. Not to mention Elemental Destruction.
No, the weapon would be 1 duration short.
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Card Design ChampionI do not believe so. Look at Innervate, for example, or Preparation (which gets more discount but has more of a restriction on how it can be used). Also look at how 2-cost Hero Powers (which do not cost a card) are basically the equivalent of 0-cost cards (Fireblast is like Moonfire, Reinforce is like Wisp, etc.)
Not exactly. First of all, vanilla stats for a 4-cost minion is 4/5, not 3/5. See Chillwind Yeti. 3/5's for (4), like Violet Teacher, are already allowed additional effects. Second, Ancient Mage's +2 Spell Damage is conditional on you already having two minions. Effects that are conditional on your having minions in play get discounts because of that. We don't, for example, consider Flametongue Totem to be equivalent to a 4/3 for 2, and we also don't consider Defender of Argus to be equivalent to a 4/5 for 4 with... I guess double-taunt?
Anyway, we're not discussing a conditional +2 Spell Damage here like we already have with Dalaran Mage. We're discussing a minion that simple has Spell Damage +2.
Not if the card text effect is good enough. I see plenty of people playing and appreciating Antique Healbot.
The problem with Malygos is that you can't play enough spells the same turn as you play it to really take advantage of it most of the time. That's why Bloodmage Thalnos is and will always be a far more popular legendary than Malygos. In other words, Malygos has a built-in limiter to its apparent power, and that's why using it to work out what value of different spell damage amounts should be doesn't quite work. It doesn't take into account that the higher-cost mana a creature is, the less the Spell Damage on it is worth because you have less ability to take advantage of that spell damage. Do you know how ridiculous a 5 mana minion with Spell Damage +5 would be? No joke, it could be a 0/1 and break the game. I'm pretty sure most classes could near-OTK with that easily.
Malygos and Dalaran Aspirant exist but they are some what conditional.
If you're asking "Can they just put a +2 Spellpower minion in the game" the answer is assuredly "yes" as there's already a) a minion with +5 and b) there's a minion with theoretically +2 (+) Spell Power. The real question is "What would that be worth stat wise and how could it be implemented as balance."
Spellpower is one of the harder keywords to definie in terms of mana value as it's not as static as "Taunt" or "Windfury" or "Charge". One could make the argument that +1 Spellpower appears to be worth ~ 1 stat point - i.e. Kobold Geomancer versus the variety of vanilla 2/3 and 3/2 for 2 mana, and Ogre Magi compared to Chillwind Yeti. The problem is that +2 would likely be worth more than 2 stats though as the potential snowball effect of +2 Spellpower compared to +1 isn't really the 1:1 comparison it might appear to be. In other words, I don't think you could say 4 mana 3/4 +2 Spellpower is fair even though that's -2 stats compared to accepted vanilla baseline for 4 mana.
Balancing busted cards version 1.0.
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Card Design ChampionShaman could still easily combo your 5-mana +5 Spell Damage minion with its low-cost Lightning Bolt, Lava Shock, Crackle, etc. for an easy near-OTK. And that's before you get stuff like Emperor Thaurissan in the mix.
OTK Mage:
Sorcceror's Apprentice x2
Ancient Mage
Frost Bolt x2 = 10
Ice Lance x2 = 12
Arcane Missiles x2 = 16
Fireball = 8
Sure, you need minimum 8 cards in hand, but its possible.