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I have 2 possible cards for this entry; one of them is a card I see fit to enter the competition, and the other are an out-of-WoW-lore card concept (which I could consider submitting instead if it is transmuted into WoW lore).

The first concept is a taunt minion that is a delayed Sunfury Protector. I can see it fitting (theme-wise) in Druid decks.

Balance wise, is it balanced? I mean, Sunfury Protector IS 2/3 for 2 mana, and 2/3 IS fine for 2-mana minions. And Druids have a lot of taunt as is.

The second concept is designed to protect minions. I have an original, BIGGER version of it (which I MIGHT post in my card stash later, as the out-of-WoW-lore version). That said, this is out-of-WoW-lore; can anyone please help me find a suitable character for this?

That out of the way, I chose that this card be a class card for this, because if it were neutral, Rogues with their Master of Disguise can abuse this, as well as Priests with Divine Spirit and possibly Inner Fire. I chose Paladin mostly as a placeholder class [because I felt the Great Seal (Makoto Yuuki, or door-kun, if you will) fitted the Paladin class theme wise], but if anyone can think of a class this card fits well, I would like to know [Rogues and Priests (for obvious reasons) are obviously out of the question.

As for card design, is it balanced? Underpowered? Overpowered?

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Hi guys,

I would appreciate to have feedbacks on my ideas:

1/ Mathias Shaw

Pretty simple concept, if a minion has an opened flank (no minion on one of its side), it takes double damage. Maybe it should be a 5 mana instead.

2 and 3 came from the same idea but I chose two different paths then. 

2/ Sleight of Hand

A lot a combo are possible with this card, allow more flexibility.

3/Alchemist (non definitive name and art)

I still hesitate about the Battlecry. In the first place it was an active effect but I feared that it would be too OP.

 

Thanks

 

All those cards seem interesting. I can see no balance change necessary with what you said. But with what above poster said, you could change Mathias Shaw's art.

As for card of choice, it's a toughie between Mathias and Alchemist, but I'm going with Alchemist.

So, when I saw the theme, my mind immidiatly went to Saurfang. Pretty certain most of you are familiar with him, or at least heard of his infamous cleave. Thats the idea behind these 2 cards I brainstormed.

(Insert Saurfang joke here)

Unsure which one to go with, and stats/mana arent final. Any thoughts or insight on these?

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So, when I saw the theme, my mind immidiatly went to Saurfang. Pretty certain most of you are familiar with him, or at least heard of his infamous cleave. Thats the idea behind these 2 cards I brainstormed.

 

(Insert Saurfang joke here)

Unsure which one to go with, and stats/mana arent final. Any thoughts or insight on these?

Since the warrior got so many spells that can damage a enemy easily, it seems really stron IMO. Especially with the current Emperor Combo deck, this + whirlwind would be devastating. For the second one, I don't know, destroy a big creature by killing a 1/1 for example  seems way too stronger.

I would go with the first one but maybe lower it's health.

So since I've been late again for this competition, someone already did a chain lightning version. I decided that's not going to dissuade me, since I have yet to make a shaman card, and this was the concept I wanted to get across.



My main concern is the wording and how you would suggest I properly phrase it. I don't think mine is particularily bad, but hey - suggestions?

nobravery: With and against many decks you have to consider placement of your minions. Turok doesn't care, he's always left. But I consider placing him on the right instead to make it a bit more awkward with tokens.

What about the other cards?

That's why I consider putting Turok on the right instead, so he's often next to tokens. And if you can't play him in every deck, because of his effect the downside does already matter?! And a legendary with a very slight downside should be allowed to have an extra point of health - even though I know, that the stat distribution is optimal. As a 6/6 it would be much worse.

Cutting a health point on Silvermoon Ranger seems fair to me, I also guessed, it might be a little over the top.

Castle Walls first read "Minions on the left can't be targeted by your opponent.", but then I thought, that's just what Stealth does and changed it. I don't see a problem in an aura-effect that allows minions to regain stealth after they deal damage.

Will update cards and repost them soon.

Edit: here they are:

I currently prefer Turok II, Silvermoon Ranger III and the Castle Walls on the left. (The second Castle Walls was in fact the first iteration and I reused it, because of its card text. I'm still not sure about its stats.)

In answer to: "And if you can't play him in every deck, because of his effect the downside does already matter?": It doesnt matter in terms of balance, since it's not a downside once you start playing. Cards should be balanced according to the decks they will be played in.

I disagree with you. You will most likely consider playing a vanilla 5-drop in a minion-heavy-board-control type of deck. Those decks often also run Defender of Argus. As you said, big minions often go to the right, because tokens spawn on the left and you want the small stuff stick together. When you for example want to DoA an Shielded Minibot and Turok, you have to put Shielded Minibot right from the tokens, which could screw with your other positioning. It's not a big deal, but it matters and thus is worth a stat point.

That all said, I do agree with you, that Ranger III looks most promising and I probably will submit that.

Also, Ogre Gladiator has to be a rare or even an epic. As common, it would be to good in arena.

PS: Thank you for the Castle Walls artwork. However, I had already found it before and when you try to put it on a card you see the statues, but not the gate/walls.

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So, when I saw the theme, my mind immidiatly went to Saurfang. Pretty certain most of you are familiar with him, or at least heard of his infamous cleave. Thats the idea behind these 2 cards I brainstormed.

 

(Insert Saurfang joke here)

Unsure which one to go with, and stats/mana arent final. Any thoughts or insight on these?

Since the warrior got so many spells that can damage a enemy easily, it seems really stron IMO. Especially with the current Emperor Combo deck, this + whirlwind would be devastating. For the second one, I don't know, destroy a big creature by killing a 1/1 for example  seems way too stronger.

I would go with the first one but maybe lower it's health.

 

 I thought of that too, but thought the whole placement mechanic wouldnt make it too broken. Guess i am mistaken.

Thanks for the feedback

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This week, I've got 3 cards, but which one is better? Also, I'm interested if they're balanced enough, since I try not to create OP cards, here they are!

 

Quartermaster, I think is fine stat-wise, but I think the art would need sprucing up if you were to submit it ;)

Essence Surger is easily my favourite. You can scrap the 'if they survive' bit as it's redundant - I think Battlecry: Deal 1 Damage to adjacent minions and give them Spell Damage +2, would be a better way about it.

Dusk Exploiter scares me from a combo perspective - you could easily Charge out a Molten Giant for 16 Damage if you are low enough, and combo'd with Power Overwhelming you could easily get 24+.

 You've easily pwned me at the one with the Molten Giant, didn't even think about that lol, well, I guess I'll reword the druid card and add that, thanks for the fast answer, I appreciate it!

Firebolts's Magatha Grimtotem: (*****) Love the idea. Only problem is that It would require a lot of testing before knowing its true value. It encourages totem decks which really isn't a thing yet, but should be. As said this has to be tested A LOT because of the complexity it brings with all the different totems.

nobravery's Mass Blessing: (**) Interesting idea, but there's a huge problem with the value between having just 2 minions and 7. The value kinda multiplies for every minion you have. And the wording seems overly complicated for Hearthstone. For the value to not swing so much it should probably be "Give each friendly minion +7/+7, +6/+6, +5/+5... from left to right", but then the card would have to cost like 10 mana.. Hard to comment this card.

nobravery's Totemic Flame: (****) I see reducing mana is mentioned, but I think 3 mana would be too powerful. Shamans don't have that much problem building a board and the Flametounges are permanent and good on it's own. The value could be huge if it hits the right minions. 

TSMS's Turok: (*) This effect makes no sense in the current Hearthstone, why is it a drawback? Your effect could maybe be a thing in Hearthstone like 2 years from now when Positioning is a broader term and used by more cards. Right now it seems so insignificant, so why make it an effect.

TSMS's Silvermoon Ranger III: (****) My favorite of your bunch. Could encourage hunters to play control beast decks that trade minions instead of going face. The effect is hard to evaluate because it's very different from other effects in the game but since it's against minions only I guess it's fine. If it was against heroes as well this + next turn King Krush could become a violent control finisher for hunters.

TSMS's Castle Walls: (**) I don't feel this card at all. I think it's something about a stone wall being the subject, the effect not resembling anything in the game, the card being Paladin only. But it's like a Taunt that also defends VS target spells. I struggle to see where I would use this card in-game. It looks like a "win more" card, if both sides have equal amount of minions it functions only like a heal for minions.

alky13's Quartermaster Brevin: (***) A lot of power in the effect, so maybe nerf Brevin's stats to like 4/5? It's also kinda boring, just a body with 3 buffs only for a specific kind of minions. I know a lot of lore, but who the hell is Brevin? :D Would maybe use another character, but that's just nitpicking on the lore, not the card's place in-game.

alky13's Essense Surger: (***) Doesn't feel very druidish, sacrificing health for spell power, but that's me and lore again. Making Moonfire 5 damage sounds very scary. This is a card I think would fit in Hearthstone later when the card pool is bigger, giving rise to a new kind of spell druid. Could also rephrase to "Battlecry: Deal 1 damage to adjacent minions and give them Spell Damage +2." No need to include "survive" and stuff, because if they die it doesn't really matter.

alky13's Dusk Exploiter: (**) I think this is a tad bit OP. This + Pit Lord is outrageous and not very hard to pull off. Also feels it would be auto-include in every warlock. Boring to play against because there is nothing you can do.

outlawing2's Kargath: (**) Why would Kargath have such an effect, I feel every legendary have an effect that fits their lore. A cool dude like Kargath should certainly have one. Also, the effect seems so niché i struggle to see it's value, I have a feeling it could be very powerful but easy to counter, you kinda just play another minion. I think this card would make more sense in a more evolved Hearthstone where Positioning is a broader term and is a bigger part of the game.

The reviewed cards:

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Huzzah, finally sorted my PC woes out, so should be able to frequent these threads more often now. :D Really like the theme this week!

Here's a few thoughts of some of the ideas above.

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Turok I/II both don't feel like 'Legendary' cards so I much prefer Ogre Gladiator. Is it a big enough downside to justify 6/6 of stats? Not sure, I think maybe, but we only have Ogre Ninja to compare.

 

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Possibly not my final submission. I'm still trying to do something cooler than this.

 An interesting card! The concept of summoning existing position-based minions hasn't been done yet, so I'd like to see the final, cooler, idea. :P

 Welcome back! Thought you got tired of us all :P

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I kinda figured 2nd one would be too OP, guess I will stick with the 1st concept. Tweaked his health slightly.

Your card seems intersting, stops aggro if you reach it, and health/damage seems alright. Kinda reminds me of a Loatheb for minions.

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Thanks for you feedback.

I checked Foe Reaper 4000 phrasing. Maybe you should rephrase like this.

'Also destroyed the damaged minions next to whomever he attacks.'

Here an other idea again:

General Vezax:

Idk if this one is clear, but it damages the attacker's adjacent minions not Vezax's ones.

Maybe a little rephrase+balance:

 I'd say a bit too weak, as it is now. A tweak in it's stats should make it a bit more playable.

Anyway, here's mine:

I don't think it needs tweaking, though i could be horribly wrong and this could be as overpowered as pre-nerf undertaker or as underpowered as Magma Rager. I might change it into "Transform the right-most enemy minion and left-most friendly minion", since totems are created at the right side of the board, and this would make it harder to hex a friendly totem.