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Come on, just let the kid change his freakin hero power. The restrictions already made sure I don't participate. Why should the rules be so much more important than the people who want to be part of this? You wrote the restrictions are there so that people make even better classes. So why not subscribe to that even more? Ideas and concepts need time to evolve. How can we improve our classes if we can't change things? You give your submission and if enough people like it, you pass. At a certain point you can't change your submission, but in between phases we should be able to change and improve nearly everything. If the class is then even better at the time of submitting, is this not what we want? Let the voters decide.

This is not a serious competition. There is no prize money or anything. Think most just want to participate, do and show what they can and not feel left out. At least this is how I feel. Allow them to do what they can do and not tell them so many things they can't do. To be strict is not fun for you (at least I hope not) because of people that object and not fun for the competitors because they might not be able to abide in all ways directly. To push rules for the sake of the rules doesn't make sense. If it's about being fair to the other competitors, you could just ask them if they think it's ok or not instead of dimissing somebody and just take that they resign or feel bad about what they are submitting.

 Giving someone an extra two weeks to come up with their entire class design - which changing your Hero Power entirely is doing - is not fair on the other competitors who managed to come up with their designs in that original two weeks. We already allow people to completely change the cards they show off in Phase I, even to the point of them never showing up again - the only things that must be kept the same are the Hero, Hero Power and any exclusive keywords, and both the Hero Power and keywords can receive balancing tweaks at any point in the competition.

It's also not fair to ask the other competitors to make that decision - they're obligated to say yes, because if they say no, they look like the bad guy who is ruthlessly trying to have a better chance in the competition. As someone who is deliberately not taking part in the competition in order to ensure that the extra challenges don't unfairly advantage or disadvantage any competitors, it is my place to make these sorts of decisions.

I don't appreciate you trying to characterise us as being deliberately mean or vindictive because we're enforcing the rules of the competition. 

 

As if I want to picture you as mean or anything like that. I know you don't want to be mean. I just want to show you what's at the other side of the stick. Being on the receiving end of just being told "No" when you have an issue like that and have already invested a lot of time and creative effort feels very mean. You see something that's not in line with the rules and say "No" but it would have been nice to read that I have a point and you understand where I'm coming from, maybe try to find a compromise. Apart from that I think you guys do a really good job honestly. And I appreciate it definitely. 

That competitors feel obligated to say yes because they have some thought in the back of their head may not be a bad thing. Or is there a different reason to not want somebody else to pass? If you don't want them to pass that might come from a garstly place in your head and it's good you feel bad about it. Had the same experience last time. Think I told thepowrofcheese that he shouldn't do something because somebody else did it. And felt really bad about it later. Because it was just a stingy cunt move.

Now I just have more respect for the creative effort and time somebody invested than some rule that wouldn't hurt anybody being stretched a bit. I don't understand why not handle it more loosely in this instance. There would literally nothing happen except somebody feeling better about what they are doing. Probably would have been nice to not take the rules too seriously and find some way for you to participate aswell. 

When you make rules, it's good when people object if they feel it's right, I think. But it's hard to do that when the most important thing to you is to submit your work. I'm out, so I'll gladly waste more of your time arguing to get my point across.

And yes I think you should be more loose about it. You didn't announce the restrictions before the competition and no where I read what you wrote here about what you have to keep and what you can change. It's not clear. So either make it super precise or be more open for arguing and finding a way to compromise. The competitors are fallible, so are you guys. Rules give a necessary frame but in the occasional personal cases I would always try to not cut somebody off (especially if the former voting phase didn't even count).

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@Turkeybag's Battlemage

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So I think I'm almost ready to submit. Here's how my post is looking. Any feedback is appreciated!

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THE BATTLEMAGE

Battlemages are sort of a fusion between warrior and mage. They use magic to create weapons, armor, and to wreak havoc in melee combat.
My particular version of battlemage slowly conjures powerful yet fragile energy weapons. Weapon combat fills the battlemage with fury, empowering their spells and minions, much like how an enraged warrior's abilities become more deadly.

Main themes: "Can't attack the turn it's equipped" on weapons, 1 durability weapons, effects that change depending on the target (not shown in basic), buffing your minion's health, small but frequent armor gain.
Strengths: Versatile (has a large variety of tools at their disposal), can setup for very high power turns, excels against decks with lots of minions such as zoo decks.
Weaknesses: Obvious with weapons (conjuring a weapon takes time ya know?), weapon removal, struggles to fully utilize cards against decks with few minions, takes a lot of damage triggering spellfury and has no big heals or armor gain.

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Keyword: Spellfury

Spellfury changes the effect (such as a Battlecry) it's printed after on the card, usually upgrading it. It activates if your hero has done X or more damage to minions by attacking this turn. So if your hero did 5 damage, Spellfury (1) and Spellfury (5) would activate but Spellfury (8) wouldn't. It can be tricky to master as damaging minions to buff your Spellfury can lead to you not needing the upgraded effect. Due to not being able to trigger Spellfury going face, cards that summon minions for your opponent are valuable to this class. Saronite Taskmaster and Marin the Fox are good examples. Note that class keywords do not appear on basic cards.

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Example Cards

Cauterize: Solid removal if your willing to take some damage. You do get less value with a better weapon so don't overdo it. You can only kill them so much after all... (unfortunately)
Enchant Weapon: Fury: Your angry, your swords angry, your enemies minions are dead. It's a good time! This is an example of the classes cards that are only effective against minions, and the "Enchant Weapon:" card type that will appear occasionally.
Reinvigorate: After a hard days work, taking time to relax can do wonders. However it does seem to be less effective while the enemies minions are trying to murder you. I'm frankly shocked.
Summoned Battleaxe: The perfect card to show off the class at a glance. It may seem somewhat weak but it's a cheap way to trigger big spellfury cards and it has excellent synergy with weapon durability buffs (which the class has in classic).
Fire Tornado: The classes signature aoe. It's quite powerful, and an example of the classes armor gain which is often a small amount added onto another effect.

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Remaining Cards

Flame Bowman: Another example of the classes cards that are only effective against minions. 
Icecrafter: She has solid stats, and you can definitely get your monies worth out of her using windfury (which the class can get from a couple of classic cards).
Frozen Fist: Having no weapon equipped is another minor card theme so this gets players used to thinking about it early. A fairly strong card as early when it's best you likely wont have a weapon.
Conjure: Barriers: The class is great at conjuring armor, shields, etc, so the classe's minions are often well protected with high health! The class's weapons are a bit too complex for the average warrior to use so attack buffs aren't common.
Spellspeed: Using magic induced speed, you can strike down multiple foes before they have time to react! This card is paralytically good against big boards (less chance of 'losing' a hit to face), and with spell damage.

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Previous Phase

If you like the class, check out my Phase 1 submission!
(Note: The hero power and keyword have been tweaked since then)

 I applaud your new take on the keyword and Hero Power. They are both more balanced and easy to understand now, and look very promising! I'm not really sold on the idea of 1-Durability weapons, but we'll see. You've laid down very clearly the characteristics of your class and that's very welcome, I'd try to distinguish yourself a bit more from Warrior though. Most of your cards could be printed for that class. Reinvigorate is really cool, and pushes the design in a different direction. Conjure: Barriers is interesting too, but I think you should provide a bit more support for it to make it more fitting. That would also help differentiate yourself from Warrior. Maybe switching out Flame Bowman for a token-generating card? Something like that. Frozen Fist is probably my favorite card, but I'd argue it should do something even when you do have a weapon. Maybe something like "Deal 3 damage to a minion. If you have a weapon equipped, Freeze your hero." or "Deal 1 damage to a minion. If you have no weapon equipped, deal 3 instead.".

Sorry, I haven't been able to provide global feedback but I can provide it on demand for people who haven't posted yet.

Anyway, here's my selection of Basic cards. I tried to really blend the requirements of the basic set with my class identity.

(Whelps comes from Onyxia/Leeroy)

Tokens:

Other cards I've considered putting into the basic set:

 Good?

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Sorry, I haven't been able to provide global feedback but I can provide it on demand for people who haven't posted yet.

Anyway, here's my selection of Basic cards. I tried to really blend the requirements of the basic set with my class identity.

(Whelps comes from Onyxia/Leeroy)

Tokens:

Other cards I've considered putting into the basic set:

 Good?

Definitely still not fond of Cocktail Throw as a basic card. I like your art choices and I like the change to Lab Accident. I feel like you need more healing representation in the basic set, since none of your current basic cards represent it as a theme. Unwilling Subjects could also use a bit of a bump in power, unless there's a lot of aura buffs in the class.

Already 24 entries in and there's two that didn't meet the challenges (*Facepalm*)

Question to to mod: Do you guys still use the Wild Card like every other CCC?

Also, why is so much less people voting this round? There's so much good class that didn't get the votes they should have (Bloodburner, Ringmaster, Astromancer, ahem).

And I still think the Gambler is overrated. This class's potential to high roll is so extreme because of its card generation HP.

Nah, don't worry Link. You're good.

There's only like around 30 entries this round (2 already DQ, 2 violated the challenge and 2 more still post in this forum). The number of entries are also pretty poor since we had, what, 50 entries in phase 1?

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 but I was just about to say something regarding a fresh front page post regarding the Class comp; a reminder that we're under a week left or something like that. Hopefully it would help, assuming I get the okay.

If anything, I think this would just lead to more of those "get this shit off the front page" comments we got in DNAF. Remember that?

Such unjustified bullshit.