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Thank you Demonxz95!

I would advise people to read through it and let it help guide you. The devil's in the details...and so might be our challenges! (justsaying)

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So it's not a big deal this phase as we're all winners, but my class seems to be doing really poorly in terms of votes
Here's my post:

The Battlemage


Info:

Battle mages are pretty much a fusion between warrior and mage. They use magic to create weapons, armor, and to do other things that'll help them in melee combat.

The hero power may seem weak, but it trades really well, being able to take out minions like Dire Wolf Alpha , Sorcerer's Apprentice , and so on. The downside is also redundant if you use it after attacking, as you wouldn't have been able to attack anyway.

Strengths: Versatile (Has a large Variety of tools at their disposal).

Weaknesses: Obvious (Conjuring a weapon takes time, and spellfury needs a decent weapon so you need to think ahead, and your opponent has a chance to interrupt your plans), brutally countered by weapon removal.

More will be revealed as the class is fleshed out!

Keyword:

Spellfury gives 1 damage for every X damage your hero did from attacking this turn. So if your hero did 10 damage, Spellfury: (1) would give 10 bonus damage where as Spellfury: (3) would only give 3 (it'd give 4 bonus damage if your hero did 12 damage). It can be tricky to master as damaging minions to buff your Spellfury can lead to you not needing the bonus damage. Also don't worry, there will be ways to go all out with this!

Showcase Cards:

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Arcane Rush: Don't think of this as a 2 mana draw 2 with a drawback, but as a 2 mana draw 1 with an upside (you can play your next draw immediately). You'll only skip 1 draw even if you play more than one on a turn!

Conjure: Divine Armor is an example of one of the classes themes, targeted cards with effects that change depending on the target. It has a paladin theme due to being from TgT.

Bound Sword: Has the typical can't attack when equipped battlemage theme, but with the option of trading some value to gain tempo.

Arcane Fury: If used alone it's pretty weak, but spellfury (1) makes it gain damage easily. This can deal 5 damage just with an attack from the hero power weapon making it pretty good!

Gerrart the Swordslinger: On his own he's an alright card. Normal decks will have some difficulty getting more than 1 bonus damage out of spellfury (3) , but decks aiming for big spellfury turns will love this guy. A simple, classic legendary that shows what the class is about.

 I was wondering if anyone could give me an insight into why? Just not interesting enough? Hero power seeming weak is a big issue? Not enough story/text? I must improve!

Probably the hero power, maybe 2/2? but I find it very interesting and in theme. The delay fits the premise of conjuring. Maybe other viewers find it weak? idk.

My submission has low votes as well, maybe it's my hero power too. if I knew the submission will be extended, I could have thought more of the class and cards showcase. But probably, since it's not voting phase yet (idk if there will be a voting phase), that's why some people are low on votes.

Gotta improve from my end here too.

My class has also been received poorly. Here's my post:

 I had 2 upvotes, then one of those 2 guys changed their minds. Can someone please tell me what they didn't like about my class? Anything i can improve?

Quote from Turkeybag >>

So it's not a big deal this phase as we're all winners, but my class seems to be doing really poorly in terms of votes
Here's my post:

 I was wondering if anyone could give me an insight into why? Just not interesting enough? Hero power seeming weak is a big issue? Not enough story/text? I must improve!

 Thinking about the upvotes post-extension is a murky area, because people might not bother now that it doesn't matter. Some people prefer to upvote after everyone has posted - I do this - but they might think to themselves "should I take the time to look through every submission in this Phase, if they're all going through anyway?" Something to consider; I wouldn't beat yourself up too much, although I respect your attempts to improve.

Personally, I think the biggest concern that might hold you back is that your Keyword is too complicated. If you remove the divide-by-X, made it strictly equal to the damage your hero inflicted and rebalance from there, it would go a long way toward simplifying things.

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My class has also been received poorly. Here's my post:

 I had 2 upvotes, then one of those 2 guys changed their minds. Can someone please tell me what they didn't like about my class? Anything i can improve?

 

 Personally, I think your showcase cards are a collection of tools that do not necessarily paint a picture together. They are good on their own, but they don't hint at possible archetypes or sell me on the end plan. They're just...there, if that makes any sense.

What am I going to see, down the line? What do you want me to build toward? A Dragon Bloodburner archetype, or some Elementals? An Even deck designed around killing them before your Hero Power kills you? Maybe some Overkill shenanigans? Classic is pretty "generic" in-that it's designed around cementing the class' core identity and feel, and you should definitely show us some of that, but each expansion after that is supposed to lead me to new places. I'd like to see those destinations.

While we're on the subject of self-reflection, I wouldn't mind some of my own, if you're willing.

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Greetings, interlopers! For your consideration, I bring you...me, Kel'Thuzad !

The Lich

Master of the cold dark, I bring death to the living and the dead back to life! My touch can Freeze the blood in your veins, and my magic will rip the soul from your body, all to be used for...later purposes. Together, we will bring the might of the endless Scourge down upon our foes!

Strengths + Themes

• ( Freeze ) The frozen corpses of my enemies decorate the halls of Naxxramas like statues. I have room for more!
• ( Deathrattles , "if it dies" effects ) My time spent practicing necromancy has taught me much in the ways of the dead and dying. Let me show you...
• ( Reviving minions , healing , "if it survives" effects ) With power over death itself, I can bring my warriors back to life...or something close.
• ( Late-game fuel ) With each body that falls, the Scourge grows larger. The resources of the living dwindle, while ours return manifold!

Weaknesses Rumored Shortcomings

• ( Slow archetypes ) The Scourge may be endless, but putting those bodies back together is a time-consuming process. Sometimes they come to me alive first and then it becomes a whole thing. It would be tiresome if I was still alive and needed rest.
• ( Freeze doesn't kill ) Freezing people alive is always entertaining...except occasionally they thaw and resume charging. There are days where I just want them to give up and die already!
• ( Lacking card draw ) I encourage all of my underlings to recycle those dead bodies in the blue bin. That being said, it would be nice to see some new skeletons now and then...

Example Cards

• Dark Resurgence - A surge of necrotic energy will end the life of an enemy. A surge of greater power will heal a fallen warrior. It makes sense if you don't think about it...
• Unnatural Selector - After a member of the Scourge falls, we can rebuild them! We have the technology magic: they will come back stronger, faster, better than ever!
• Skeletal Frostguard - It was their idea: "we'll create a wall in front of you, and you Freeze us in place." I thought they were crazy, but turns out it's a rather effective tactic.

• Onyxia, Fallen Matriarch - With the remains of Onyxia under my control, I will create an undying army of dragons for the Scourge! Which would you rather have: a skeleton, or a skeletal dragon ?
• Baroness Anastari - A banshee's cry is said to drive their loved ones insane. While amusing, I'd rather they were driven dead. Those slain by the cry of Anastari will return to haunt the living!

Thank you for your consideration and upvotes, in bringing me into Hearthstone! " Kel'Thuzad is already in the game," you say? I have never seen that powerful and handsome card before, although "Curse of Naxxramas" sounds like a great addition to the game. An expansion, all about me; if you don't like it, I'll resurrect a body who will!

 Personally not sold on the Kel'Thuzad "roleplay", and I feel like my descriptions are lacking.

Quote from linkblade91 >>

While we're on the subject of self-reflection, I wouldn't mind some of my own, if you're willing.

Quote from linkblade91 >>

Greetings, interlopers! For your consideration, I bring you...me, Kel'Thuzad !

The Lich

Master of the cold dark, I bring death to the living and the dead back to life! My touch can Freeze the blood in your veins, and my magic will rip the soul from your body, all to be used for...later purposes. Together, we will bring the might of the endless Scourge down upon our foes!

Strengths + Themes

• ( Freeze ) The frozen corpses of my enemies decorate the halls of Naxxramas like statues. I have room for more!
• ( Deathrattles , "if it dies" effects ) My time spent practicing necromancy has taught me much in the ways of the dead and dying. Let me show you...
• ( Reviving minions , healing , "if it survives" effects ) With power over death itself, I can bring my warriors back to life...or something close.
• ( Late-game fuel ) With each body that falls, the Scourge grows larger. The resources of the living dwindle, while ours return manifold!

Weaknesses Rumored Shortcomings

• ( Slow archetypes ) The Scourge may be endless, but putting those bodies back together is a time-consuming process. Sometimes they come to me alive first and then it becomes a whole thing. It would be tiresome if I was still alive and needed rest.
• ( Freeze doesn't kill ) Freezing people alive is always entertaining...except occasionally they thaw and resume charging. There are days where I just want them to give up and die already!
• ( Lacking card draw ) I encourage all of my underlings to recycle those dead bodies in the blue bin. That being said, it would be nice to see some new skeletons now and then...

Example Cards

• Dark Resurgence - A surge of necrotic energy will end the life of an enemy. A surge of greater power will heal a fallen warrior. It makes sense if you don't think about it...
• Unnatural Selector - After a member of the Scourge falls, we can rebuild them! We have the technology magic: they will come back stronger, faster, better than ever!
• Skeletal Frostguard - It was their idea: "we'll create a wall in front of you, and you Freeze us in place." I thought they were crazy, but turns out it's a rather effective tactic.

• Onyxia, Fallen Matriarch - With the remains of Onyxia under my control, I will create an undying army of dragons for the Scourge! Which would you rather have: a skeleton, or a skeletal dragon ?
• Baroness Anastari - A banshee's cry is said to drive their loved ones insane. While amusing, I'd rather they were driven dead. Those slain by the cry of Anastari will return to haunt the living!

Thank you for your consideration and upvotes, in bringing me into Hearthstone! " Kel'Thuzad is already in the game," you say? I have never seen that powerful and handsome card before, although "Curse of Naxxramas" sounds like a great addition to the game. An expansion, all about me; if you don't like it, I'll resurrect a body who will!

 Personally not sold on the Kel'Thuzad "roleplay", and I feel like my descriptions are lacking.

 Thank you for responding. I personally wanted each card to show a different aspect of the class, but i guess i went too safe and all my examples don't really belong in any archetype. I showed "generic keyword minion", "generic removal spell", "slightly different Fallen Hero". The only truly unique cards are Fiery Blood and the weapon. Well, you live and you learn.

Now, your class:

• I like the hero power, even if it has a keyword. The self-freeze aspect you took with Skeletal Frostguard is a nice way to differentiate The Lich from Freeze Mage.
• Unnatural Selector is a build-your-deck-around card (this is what i should have done). The ressurect mechanic is popular in priest, so i'd advice you to try and have a different approach to it. In Wow, true ressurection comes only from the Light, while undeath is a whole nother thing. Maybe see how you can implement this in HS. Minions won't return as they were, they are instead changed, becoming zombie-like.
• Dark Ressurgence is cool. I like spells you can use both offenevly and defensevly.
• Onyxia seems like a worse priest totem, but maybe because she also shuffles herself it balances it out.
• Anastari is an interesting concept. She's a constant threat which will make the enemy paranoid of leaving anything alive with 1 health. We already see this thing with DK Jaina's hero power, so i think it's balanced.

What i want to see from your class in the future is this: more varied ressurect effects (Onyxia is a good variation on this, but again, she seems weak), more freeze interactions and maybe some shadow magic stuff.

PS: I think it's funny you try to make Kel'thuzad slow and weak in offensive spells, while in Heroes of the Storm he's literally THE burst/combo mage.

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PS: I think it's funny you try to make Kel'thuzad slow and weak in offensive spells, while in Heroes of the Storm he's literally THE burst/combo mage.

 I thought about this and had a laugh of it, myself. I wanted to create an outlive-outlast class with Freeze, defense and revives, and I connected it to Kel'Thuzad because it made sense on a thematic level...albeit not necessarily in the gameplay. It was only afterward that I thought about his HotS iteration.

Thank you for the words :) I like the idea of reviving things in ways that are not strictly copy-pastes of the old minion; I will admit I had not thought of that fully. Makes a ton of sense for a necromancer-wielding Lich!

Do you think that would be bad if i'll change my HP entirely? Anyway, all will pass first phase, so I din't think it's unfair.

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Do you think that would be bad if i'll change my HP entirely? Anyway, all will pass first phase, so I din't think it's unfair.

 Sure. Go ahead if you feel more comfortable with a differentHero Power.

Where can I see how many people upvote my class? Sorry new to the forum and submitted the angel class.

Thanks, unfortunately I see 0 votes maybe hero power effect is not good enough, I though the concept was cool

@Omerqu

I'm not realy good at card/class design, but I'm here for one year and I know the basics. I'll try to explain you somę things you did wrong about your class. For the first: Hero Power. It can't be so much complicated. You can compare it to other Hero Powers. Simplest one is probably Mage HP. Most complicated is Shaman. But still, it's easy to use and understand for new players. Your Hero Power is situational. That's bad. Hero Power should be thing that you can always use with advantage if you have enough mana. So If new player have on turn 2 nothing to play, and, for example 1/2 with taunt on board, he should not care about thinking if he need to play HP. He just play it. And with your class, that would be just realy bad move. For the second: Beware of grammar mistakes. Even if that sounds not so important, grammar mistakes are just lowering quality of your cards. That's not important if you don't have them too many, people will understand. But you have them on almost each cards, what becames just annoying for some people. Also you must remember to capitalize keywords. For the third: You shouldn't use keywors before they was introduced in game. So you can't use Rush on Classic card.

I hadn't say anything about balance, but remember that these informations are realy important, even if they don't seems to. Good luck!