Hearthpwn

Congratulations to everyone who made it to phase 3! I was hoping to make it, but I made the mistake of not using my 0-cost card as a showcase card and instead put it in the spoiler :/

The Deathwing in the artwork will definitely be a hard one to pull off b/c of the variety of class themes (underwater especially) ... but I voted for it because it will lead to some interesting card designs (sorry in advance).

Concern about challenge #6: How will cards like Thoughtsteal be adjudicated? There are a number of cards in the game with effects that are random but that don't actually include the word random. This could potentially be used to get around the restriction, including multiple cards with random effects but just leaving out the word.

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Concern about challenge #6: How will cards like Thoughtsteal be adjudicated? There are a number of cards in the game with effects that are random but that don't actually include the word random. This could potentially be used to get around the restriction, including multiple cards with random effects but just leaving out the word.

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Concern about challenge #6: How will cards like Thoughtsteal be adjudicated? There are a number of cards in the game with effects that are random but that don't actually include the word random. This could potentially be used to get around the restriction, including multiple cards with random effects but just leaving out the word.

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Concern about challenge #6: How will cards like Thoughtsteal be adjudicated? There are a number of cards in the game with effects that are random but that don't actually include the word random. This could potentially be used to get around the restriction, including multiple cards with random effects but just leaving out the word.

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Concern about challenge #6: How will cards like Thoughtsteal be adjudicated? There are a number of cards in the game with effects that are random but that don't actually include the word random. This could potentially be used to get around the restriction, including multiple cards with random effects but just leaving out the word.

 I don't think the point is to have only 1 random effect, so I don't think that's an issue. The rule is pretty straightforward with how it's currently written. Unlimited Thoughtsteal-like texts would be allowed.

All of the Shaman spells with random damage ranges like Lightning Storm are also coming to mind now.

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 In theory every card draw card would pass that challenge then, 'cus the cards that you draw are random.

It could be argued that, in the case of card draw, it's actually your deck that's random, not the card drawing the card, but yeah, you're not wrong.

Okay, not actually relevant to the 'random' discussion, but I have a question on class keywords. Currently, I think at least a few keywords (mine included) can only feasibly appear on minions and weapons. Since as of now, all the classes with 'exclusive' keywords have them appear on a large chunk of their classic cards, that would force the class's classic set to be very minion/weapon heavy.

Since I made that mistake (oops), I was wondering if the keyword introduced has to be like Druid and Choose One or Rogue and Combo, or if we could get away with something more like the relationship Warrior has with Enrage - especially since my mechanic (Whenever another minion dies) also appears on some neutrals.

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Okay, not actually relevant to the 'random' discussion, but I have a question on class keywords. Currently, I think at least a few keywords (mine included) can only feasibly appear on minions and weapons. Since as of now, all the classes with 'exclusive' keywords have them appear on a large chunk of their classic cards, that would force the class's classic set to be very minion/weapon heavy.

Since I made that mistake (oops), I was wondering if the keyword introduced has to be like Druid and Choose One or Rogue and Combo, or if we could get away with something more like the relationship Warrior has with Enrage - especially since my mechanic (Whenever another minion dies) also appears on some neutrals.

Noone says you have to put the unique keyword on all of your cards. So you dont have to have minion heavy classic set, if your keyword doesnt fit on spells, just dont use the keyword that much. Easy ;-)

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Okay, not actually relevant to the 'random' discussion, but I have a question on class keywords. Currently, I think at least a few keywords (mine included) can only feasibly appear on minions and weapons. Since as of now, all the classes with 'exclusive' keywords have them appear on a large chunk of their classic cards, that would force the class's classic set to be very minion/weapon heavy.

Since I made that mistake (oops), I was wondering if the keyword introduced has to be like Druid and Choose One or Rogue and Combo, or if we could get away with something more like the relationship Warrior has with Enrage - especially since my mechanic (Whenever another minion dies) also appears on some neutrals.

Noone says you have to put the unique keyword on all of your cards. So you dont have to have minion heavy classic set, if your keyword doesnt fit on spells, just dont use the keyword that much. Easy ;-)

 Yeah, that was the plan. Since it's common practice for like at least half your Classic cards to contain the keyword, I was just worried it might cause some problems.

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Concern about challenge #6: How will cards like Thoughtsteal be adjudicated? There are a number of cards in the game with effects that are random but that don't actually include the word random. This could potentially be used to get around the restriction, including multiple cards with random effects but just leaving out the word.

 I don't think the point is to have only 1 random effect, so I don't think that's an issue. The rule is pretty straightforward with how it's currently written. Unlimited Thoughtsteal-like texts would be allowed.

Yeah, I guess I'm asking what the actual intention or spirit of the challenge is. As it stands, a minion with the text "No cards with 'random' in their card text can be played." would qualify despite obviously not having any random effect. So I'm asking whether that's intended or whether that'd be breaking the spirit of the rule if the spirit is for there to actually be one random effect.

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1. Not too bad. Except Edwin, all the Classic class Legendaries already cost 7 or more.

2. Also not bad. You'll want some standout examples in every rarity.

3. Oh god no. I can't imagine anyone still in the competition voting for this one.

4. Can we get some examples for this? I'm guessing something like Fandral or Tunnel Trogg would work? We don't have anything like this in a Classic now.

5. I don't really like this one, but it's not hard. Just kinda... bleh.

6. Can the card just have Random in its name? This could be tougher for some classes that intend to have more or no random effects.

I'll probably vote for 1, 2, and 4 depending on how 4 works. And now we wait for Saturday... :(

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Okay, not actually relevant to the 'random' discussion, but I have a question on class keywords. Currently, I think at least a few keywords (mine included) can only feasibly appear on minions and weapons. Since as of now, all the classes with 'exclusive' keywords have them appear on a large chunk of their classic cards, that would force the class's classic set to be very minion/weapon heavy.

Since I made that mistake (oops), I was wondering if the keyword introduced has to be like Druid and Choose One or Rogue and Combo, or if we could get away with something more like the relationship Warrior has with Enrage - especially since my mechanic (Whenever another minion dies) also appears on some neutrals.

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As I said I probably won’t be able to keep going here... can’t someone else take my place? If not I’ll still do what I can, but I’ll probably only have a couple of free days for that. (And we all know that it takes me a lot of time to refine my ideas)

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Okay, not actually relevant to the 'random' discussion, but I have a question on class keywords. Currently, I think at least a few keywords (mine included) can only feasibly appear on minions and weapons. Since as of now, all the classes with 'exclusive' keywords have them appear on a large chunk of their classic cards, that would force the class's classic set to be very minion/weapon heavy.

Since I made that mistake (oops), I was wondering if the keyword introduced has to be like Druid and Choose One or Rogue and Combo, or if we could get away with something more like the relationship Warrior has with Enrage - especially since my mechanic (Whenever another minion dies) also appears on some neutrals.

I don't think you have to make most of your cards contain your keyword. It's certainly not an obligation, and your class can just be an exception to the rule, like Rogue Secrets! It's not absolutely necessary to plaster your class keyword EVERYWHERE unless it's a key part of your class's identity.

You can treat it like Warrior and Enrage, a keyword that Blizzard abandoned like I did with my hopes and dreams! :D

I don’t think I really agree. Imo a class specific Keyword should be used in the Classic set extensively, like 2/3 of all cards. I think the keyword shouldnt not only generate class identity, but with only the basic set and Classic set available, players should have been able to create an entire deck around that specific keyword. Since the keyword could not be used in the basic set, the Classic set should provide plenty. Making a comparison to Warrior’s Enrage is weird since Enrage was added in neutral cards to make a deck type viable (I remember people trying to make Enrage warrior work with Amani Beserker and Raging Worgen). Your class keyword should generate some sort of deck archetype and you’re just not going to pull that off with only a few cards. 

Same goes for Secrets btw. If you’re using them, make sure to add like 5 or 6 of them in the Classic set (or cards related to them). Unless you made 1-mana ones like Paladin, since they generate too minor effects to fill a set with. Paladin has 4.

Is there any software available that would let us play test our decks.  Obviously low tech with no graphics or anything but just to get an idea of how it might play out.