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I've reworked the sets again

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I've added Celebration instead of Old School Cooking (which I've shown earlier) because card draw will be an important aspect of my class and I want to have at least 2 card draw in my basic set (and Celebration is indirect synergy with Roast).

Also Skilled Cook has been changed to a 1/2.

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I've added Celebration (which I've shown earlier) because card draw will be an important aspect of my class and I want to have at least 2 card draw in my basic set (and Celebration is indirect synergy with Roast).

Also Skilled Cook has been changed to a 1/2.

Beefy Vegetation and Butcher replaced by Old School Cooking and celebration.

I want to clarify some stuff about Slaughter's balance. Token Druid, Token Shaman, Inner Fire Priest, and to a lesser extent Aggro Paladin, Zoolock and Aggro Hunter are all decks that could use a 0/7 token. Also let's not forget our friends Cobalt Scalebane and Bonemare! Of course there are classes (like Mage) against which this is a 4mana removal, but there is no cards that has the same effectiveness in all matchups!

(Also, I was the one to say your HP is a worse Reinforce. That it will have synergy with future cards is not enough to compensate because Paladin too has SHR synergy).

More comments coming tonight.

@Shadowsofsense: Is it ok if I show some of the cards I've shown on phase 2 behind a spoiler, just to show how my basic set could interact with those?

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hey, guys, sorry i;ve been absent those past few days, i've been a little busy with some lab assignments; if anyone wants me to review their class, i'll try to do it tommorow and the day after;

in the meantime, i'd like some feedback on some cards changes:

Made the writing on the banner a little smaller and cut some of the buttom; what do you guys think? 

replaced Hot Iron with Molten Core Scimitar (basically just a name and art change) and added tags to the weapons, because i want to make some synergies based on the types of weapon; tell me what you think about it and how it looks.

Ammunition is an exemple of the aformentioned synergies (ironically, it dosen't sinergise with any of the basic weapons); Ironforge Guard i'm actually going to move to classic, since i already have a card that showcases Armor and the 3/3/3 challenge is out; Repair got an art change.

the rest of the cards:

Quote from CheeseEtc >>

I've reworked the sets again

New sets!

Set #1

Showcased cards

Other cards

Token

I've added Celebration instead of Old School Cooking (which I've shown earlier) because card draw will be an important aspect of my class and I want to have at least 2 card draw in my basic set (and Celebration is indirect synergy with Roast).

Also Skilled Cook has been changed to a 1/2.

Set #2

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Other cards

Token

I've added Celebration (which I've shown earlier) because card draw will be an important aspect of my class and I want to have at least 2 card draw in my basic set (and Celebration is indirect synergy with Roast).

Also Skilled Cook has been changed to a 1/2.

Beefy Vegetation and Butcher replaced by Old School Cooking and celebration.

I want to clarify some stuff about Slaughter's balance. Token Druid, Token Shaman, Inner Fire Priest, and to a lesser extent Aggro Paladin, Zoolock and Aggro Hunter are all decks that could use a 0/7 token. Also let's not forget our friends Cobalt Scalebane and Bonemare! Of course there are classes (like Mage) against which this is a 4mana removal, but there is no cards that has the same effectiveness in all matchups!

@Shadowsofsense: Is it ok if I show some of the cards I've shown on phase 2 behind a spoiler, just to show how my basic set could interact with those? Also is my "Fried Bacon fried egg" ok?

(Also, I was the one to say your HP is a worse Reinforce. That it will have synergy with future cards is not enough to compensate because Paladin too has SHR synergy).

More comments coming tonight.

 

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hey, guys, sorry i;ve been absent those past few days, i've been a little busy with some lab assignments; if anyone wants me to review their class, i'll try to do it tommorow and the day after;

in the meantime, i'd like some feedback on some cards changes:

Made the writing on the banner a little smaller and cut some of the buttom; what do you guys think? 

replaced Hot Iron with Molten Core Scimitar (basically just a name and art change) and added tags to the weapons, because i want to make some synergies based on the types of weapon; tell me what you think about it and how it looks.

Ammunition is an exemple of the aformentioned synergies (ironically, it dosen't sinergise with any of the basic weapons); Ironforge Guard i'm actually going to move to classic, since i already have a card that showcases Armor and the 3/3/3 challenge is out; Repair got an art change.

the rest of the cards:

To tell you the truth, the tags on weapons looks super weird, i mean obviously its cause there r no tags on existing weapons. I can see why you would want to do it and i could definitely see it appropriate for your class, but what about weapons in other classes? You cant just have tags on weapons from one class and thats it. You could argue that why not add tags to all weapons then, sure that could be a thing same as Mech or Elemental tags were added to minions from older sets. Yeah, you could do that ... but would that make sense? Since only your class would be the one to interact with them? I dont think its a good idea to do this in a class comp, it would be more appropriate for an expansion.

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hey, guys, sorry i;ve been absent those past few days, i've been a little busy with some lab assignments; if anyone wants me to review their class, i'll try to do it tommorow and the day after;

in the meantime, i'd like some feedback on some cards changes:

Made the writing on the banner a little smaller and cut some of the buttom; what do you guys think? 

replaced Hot Iron with Molten Core Scimitar (basically just a name and art change) and added tags to the weapons, because i want to make some synergies based on the types of weapon; tell me what you think about it and how it looks.

Ammunition is an exemple of the aformentioned synergies (ironically, it dosen't sinergise with any of the basic weapons); Ironforge Guard i'm actually going to move to classic, since i already have a card that showcases Armor and the 3/3/3 challenge is out; Repair got an art change.

the rest of the cards:

To tell you the truth, the tags on weapons looks super weird, i mean obviously its cause there r no tags on existing weapons. I can see why you would want to do it and i could definitely see it appropriate for your class, but what about weapons in other classes? You cant just have tags on weapons from one class and thats it. You could argue that why not add tags to all weapons then, sure that could be a thing same as Mech or Elemental tags were added to minions from older sets. Yeah, you could do that ... but would that make sense? Since only your class would be the one to interact with them? I dont think its a good idea to do this in a class comp, it would be more appropriate for an expansion.

everything we do here is purely teorathical, so if my class yould have tags on weapon, every other class would as well; heck, i wouldn't mind if other competitors used the tags themselves for their weapons, the more the merrier; as to other classes not having such synergies, there are other classes with beasts in their sets (can't remember if in basic and classisc), however hunter and druid are pretty much the only ones with beast synergy; i donno, i'll wait for more oppinions and see.

when you say it looks "super wierd", do you mean "uncanny" or "aestetically ugly"?

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 I don't really dislike the idea, I like it quite a lot instead. That said would every weapon have a tag? Or maybe you could make it work only for specific weapons or something like that. (As there are probably too many kinds of different weapons).

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@NiRast

Your Hero Power is super weak. Don't destroy it at the end of the turn.

I have nothing against new meta-mechanics (weapon types) but I'm sure many people will find this super weird. I wouldn't do it.

Repair should cost 1. Are your weapons so OP that you need to make this cost 4???

Bunker Up! can easily be 30 Armor. 20 is not enough to compensate for a "wasted" turn.

Overall, same comment as Opan736. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

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@NiRast

Your Hero Power is super weak. Don't destroy it at the end of the turn.

I have nothing against new meta-mechanics (weapon types) but I'm sure many people will find this super weird. I wouldn't do it.

Repair should cost 1. Are your weapons so OP that you need to make this cost 4???

Bunker Up! can easily be 30 Armor. 20 is not enough to compensate for a "wasted" turn.

Overall, same comment as Opan736. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

 i don't think you understand how my keyword works; weapons that have it deal damage to whatever attacks my hero even during my opponent's turn; if the weapon didn't destroy itself, i'd just have a permanent "deal 1 damage to whatever attacks you" which can snowball with weapon buffs;

guess i'll drop the the whole "weapon tag" thing (maybe use it in an expansion, like sinti said), it was a spur of the moment idea anyway;

a lot of people seem to think Repair  is overcosted; maybe i'll reduce it, still, 1 mana seems too low;

again, a lot of people said Bunker Up! it's too weak; still, 30 Armor seem a lot to me, maybe 25?

the weapon thing is just for the basic set i hobe; my class will also have some secrets, and i was thinking of overstated minions that give your opponent stuff, like hungry dragon or that new 1-drop (though this would probably work better with @Sinti 's Gladiator class);

 plus, my class IS called the WEAPONsmith after all (and my keyword IS weapon specific);

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@Opal736

First version of the second Hero Power.

I made a card identical to Chain that costs 1. Still think it should be the right cost. If you post this before me I probably won't submit mine though.

"Forging the Mind" --> to draw 2 cards

First Reaction is best.

Overall I think your set is too dimensional. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

 Thanks for the feedback!

I know it's really one dimensional right now, still I've posted other cards I'm working on... have you found some interesting substitution? Anyway I tried to improve it after your last feedback and right now I'm at 6 strictly weapon-related cards compared to the 6 basic beast-related cards of the hunter... What else should I cut? Also don't forget that some cards that use weapon synergy are not only made to work in weapon based decks (like forging the mind), but even just to work with the hero power. And well I can't really use other mechanics because of the basic restrictions... 

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@NiRast

Your Hero Power is super weak. Don't destroy it at the end of the turn.

I have nothing against new meta-mechanics (weapon types) but I'm sure many people will find this super weird. I wouldn't do it.

Repair should cost 1. Are your weapons so OP that you need to make this cost 4???

Bunker Up! can easily be 30 Armor. 20 is not enough to compensate for a "wasted" turn.

Overall, same comment as Opan736. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

 i don't think you understand how my keyword works; weapons that have it deal damage to whatever attacks my hero even during my opponent's turn; if the weapon didn't destroy itself, i'd just have a permanent "deal 1 damage to whatever attacks you" which can snowball with weapon buffs;

guess i'll drop the the whole "weapon tag" thing (maybe use it in an expansion, like sinti said), it was a spur of the moment idea anyway;

a lot of people seem to think Repair  is overcosted; maybe i'll reduce it, still, 1 mana seems too low;

again, a lot of people said Bunker Up! it's too weak; still, 30 Armor seem a lot to me, maybe 25?

the weapon thing is just for the basic set i hobe; my class will also have some secrets, and i was thinking of overstated minions that give your opponent stuff, like hungry dragon or that new 1-drop (though this would probably work better with @Sinti 's Gladiator class);

 plus, my class IS called the WEAPONsmith after all (and my keyword IS weapon specific);

Yeah, on that note, this can very easilly kill you in this competition. Fast. Weapons r "difficult" cards, definitely to base your deck around them, just look at the legendary weapons, they arent doing so great, let alone entire class. You can definitely be more weapon heavy than any other class, but it shouldnt be your sole focus, since in the end, you do have only (presumably) one attack per turn with them, you can be frozen and Oozed etc. If you go too heavy on the weapon theme, you might just make it SUPER hard for yourself to catch an eye of the audience or make balanced cards. Just something to keep in mind for the future.

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@NiRast

Your Hero Power is super weak. Don't destroy it at the end of the turn.

I have nothing against new meta-mechanics (weapon types) but I'm sure many people will find this super weird. I wouldn't do it.

Repair should cost 1. Are your weapons so OP that you need to make this cost 4???

Bunker Up! can easily be 30 Armor. 20 is not enough to compensate for a "wasted" turn.

Overall, same comment as Opan736. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

 i don't think you understand how my keyword works; weapons that have it deal damage to whatever attacks my hero even during my opponent's turn; if the weapon didn't destroy itself, i'd just have a permanent "deal 1 damage to whatever attacks you" which can snowball with weapon buffs;

guess i'll drop the the whole "weapon tag" thing (maybe use it in an expansion, like sinti said), it was a spur of the moment idea anyway;

a lot of people seem to think Repair  is overcosted; maybe i'll reduce it, still, 1 mana seems too low;

again, a lot of people said Bunker Up! it's too weak; still, 30 Armor seem a lot to me, maybe 25?

the weapon thing is just for the basic set i hobe; my class will also have some secrets, and i was thinking of overstated minions that give your opponent stuff, like hungry dragon or that new 1-drop (though this would probably work better with @Sinti 's Gladiator class);

 plus, my class IS called the WEAPONsmith after all (and my keyword IS weapon specific);

Yeah, on that note, this can very easilly kill you in this competition. Fast. Weapons r "difficult" cards, definitely to base your deck around them, just look at the legendary weapons, they arent doing so great, let alone entire class. You can definitely be more weapon heavy than any other class, but it shouldnt be your sole focus, since in the end, you do have only (presumably) one attack per turn with them, you can be frozen and Oozed etc. If you go too heavy on the weapon theme, you might just make it SUPER hard for yourself to catch an eye of the audience or make balanced cards. Just something to keep in mind for the future.

Hey Sinti what do you think about my hero power choices? I need more opinions to make a definitive decision. 

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Alright, this is proooobably the last time I'm posting new cards. I realized asking the question in terms of sets wasn't the best idea.

I have 2 flex spots

Flex spot #1 - Card draw or damage (or both) or card generation.

VS. VS. VS.

THE LAST 2 CARDS ARE NEW

Celebration is card draw, which will be a midly-important mechanic for my class. It's also indirect synergy with my Roast keyword so it would be nice to have it into the basic set. The downside it that it may be too complicated.

Old School Cooking is direct damage. I only have one other direct damage card which is conditional so I would like to have at least 1 unconditional direct damage.

Kitchen Nightmares is a compromise between the two. Since it's two lines I can make the "Destroy" version of Butcher (see below). The drawback is that it's not original.

Resupply is a "unique" card that's supposed to work with my class' general gameplay (to compensate for roasted cards). With 2 of them in a deck it's a potential fatigue nullifier (and fatigue will be a problem for my class). It costs 1 mana less than Dead Man's Hand because you have less control over what cards you could.

Flex spot #2 - Hard Removal

VS.

There has been A LOT of debate on Butcher's balance, which I think ultimately was not only balance but has too high variance. I replaced it with a 0/5 token to not make it backfire too much against token decks or Inner Fire or Bonemare.

If you REALLY hate it so much, I will replace it with Vegan Diet but it would be a bit redundant with my "Beefy Vegan".

The rest of my cards. I'm settled on this unless Shadowsofsense says "Fried Bacon Fried Egg" is not ok.

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Quote from CheeseEtc >>

Alright, this is proooobably the last time I'm posting new cards. I realized asking the question in terms of sets wasn't the best idea.

I have 2 flex spots

Flex spot #1 - Card draw or damage (or both) or card generation.

VS. VS. VS.

THE LAST 2 CARDS ARE NEW

Celebration is card draw, which will be a midly-important mechanic for my class. It's also indirect synergy with my Roast keyword so it would be nice to have it into the basic set. The downside it that it may be too complicated.

Old School Cooking is direct damage. I only have one other direct damage card which is conditional so I would like to have at least 1 unconditional direct damage.

Kitchen Nightmares is a compromise between the two. Since it's two lines I can make the "Destroy" version of Butcher (see below). The drawback is that it's not original.

Resupply is a "unique" card that's supposed to work with my class' general gameplay (to compensate for roasted cards). With 2 of them in a deck it's a potential fatigue nullifier (and fatigue will be a problem for my class). It costs 1 mana less than Dead Man's Hand because you have less control over what cards you could.

Flex spot #2 - Hard Removal

VS.

There has been A LOT of debate on Butcher's balance, which I think ultimately was not only balance but has too high variance. I replaced it with a 0/5 token to not make it backfire too much against token decks or Inner Fire or Bonemare.

If you REALLY hate it so much, I will replace it with Vegan Diet but it would be a bit redundant with my "Beefy Vegan".

The rest of my cards. I'm settled on this unless Shadowsofsense says "Fried Bacon Fried Egg" is not ok.

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@Opal736

First version of the second Hero Power.

I made a card identical to Chain that costs 1. Still think it should be the right cost. If you post this before me I probably won't submit mine though.

"Forging the Mind" --> to draw 2 cards

First Reaction is best.

Overall I think your set is too dimensional. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

 Thanks for the feedback!

I know it's really one dimensional right now, still I've posted other cards I'm working on... have you found some interesting substitution? Anyway I tried to improve it after your last feedback and right now I'm at 6 strictly weapon-related cards compared to the 6 basic beast-related cards of the hunter... What else should I cut? Also don't forget that some cards that use weapon synergy are not only made to work in weapon based decks (like forging the mind), but even just to work with the hero power. And well I can't really use other mechanics because of the basic restrictions... 

 while i like the first hero power more thematically, i think it's a little too complicated for a starter one; i'm gonna go with cheese here and say first version of the second one, and maybe use a stronger version of the first one for the DK.

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@NiRast

Your Hero Power is super weak. Don't destroy it at the end of the turn.

I have nothing against new meta-mechanics (weapon types) but I'm sure many people will find this super weird. I wouldn't do it.

Repair should cost 1. Are your weapons so OP that you need to make this cost 4???

Bunker Up! can easily be 30 Armor. 20 is not enough to compensate for a "wasted" turn.

Overall, same comment as Opan736. It's weapon, weapon, weapon...

 i don't think you understand how my keyword works; weapons that have it deal damage to whatever attacks my hero even during my opponent's turn; if the weapon didn't destroy itself, i'd just have a permanent "deal 1 damage to whatever attacks you" which can snowball with weapon buffs;

guess i'll drop the the whole "weapon tag" thing (maybe use it in an expansion, like sinti said), it was a spur of the moment idea anyway;

a lot of people seem to think Repair  is overcosted; maybe i'll reduce it, still, 1 mana seems too low;

again, a lot of people said Bunker Up! it's too weak; still, 30 Armor seem a lot to me, maybe 25?

the weapon thing is just for the basic set i hobe; my class will also have some secrets, and i was thinking of overstated minions that give your opponent stuff, like hungry dragon or that new 1-drop (though this would probably work better with @Sinti 's Gladiator class);

 plus, my class IS called the WEAPONsmith after all (and my keyword IS weapon specific);

Yeah, on that note, this can very easilly kill you in this competition. Fast. Weapons r "difficult" cards, definitely to base your deck around them, just look at the legendary weapons, they arent doing so great, let alone entire class. You can definitely be more weapon heavy than any other class, but it shouldnt be your sole focus, since in the end, you do have only (presumably) one attack per turn with them, you can be frozen and Oozed etc. If you go too heavy on the weapon theme, you might just make it SUPER hard for yourself to catch an eye of the audience or make balanced cards. Just something to keep in mind for the future.

 yeah, i know; like i said, i'll have some secrets and big minions that give your opponent somethink, and i was also debating wether or not to use mechs for old gods and even un'goro if i get that far (i'm definetly using them for the DK); i'll see.

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 You really should grill your bacon.  It's healthier ;-)

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Just dont make overcosted 1-4 drops, thanks :D

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Just dont make overcosted 1-4 drops, thanks :D

 how's this? (plz ignore border):