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By the way, is anyone having problems where sometimes the poll picks what you voted for you, even if you haven't voted yet or it's completely different from what you voted on?

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These cards serve a lot of the challenges. I hope most of you know the new meme Do you know de way? :'(

so, i still have to tweak the minion border and add the patern on the side, but in the meantime, i've made the spell border and would like some feedback:

i'm not very happy with it, but i'd like other people to tell me which direction i should take this;

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These cards serve a lot of the challenges. I hope most of you know the new meme Do you know de way? :'(

hey, guys, quick question, if i have the following 2 cards:

would they count towards the "State of the art" challenge? since i photoshoped the boom bot in flasbang from the art on goblin boom, i think it should. (ignore the gems and text for now)

also, sorry if i'm spamming

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Regardless, I do have 2 cards in case it does win. I think I'm a bit on to something here.

Been There and Done That both are part of the phrase "Been There, Done That" (someone gave me idea for that, I forgot what his name was but you know who you are), and I love that Been There's artwork is a portal or a vision of another place hence I've "been there". They both cost 4 mana and have very similar effects. You might ask "why 4 instead of 3?" when compared to similar cards (Arcane Intellect, Thoughsteal). They might be underpowered at 4, but when I compared Been There to Zola the Gorgon and Duplicate, 4 seemed about right.

I now also have 3 cards with 3 or more lines in them so I only have 1 spot left for Deceptively Simple.

Fun fact: The character that appears in Done That is the same character as the Classic Legendary:

(In case you can't tell, I suck at names, especially original names)

Bump for feedback. I suppose having 2 cards with very similar effects in the Basic set isn't that good of an idea, and Done That might be stretching it in terms of Basic card complexity.

I like the phrase Been there, done that. It fits your class nicely. Been There looks fine, tho Done that might use a bit of a simplification, yeah. Also its probably a little too strong, even tho it doesnt look like it. I mean you dont even had to have played those cards in the same turn, this could result in some serious value, too much probably. Or even some weird combos/otks that players could figure out, dunno. It looks like it invites all kinds of dangerous situations. Definitely more than a basic card should create imho.

Kara Shellen: lol another 6 mana 4/8 ?:D But i do like the card, cool ability for the class and obviously good stats :)

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Ok, im toying with this: Practice makes perfect :) Btw im open to suggestions for Perfect, hard to figure out what art to use on that one, the one i have is kinda cool i think, but im not too sure about it (especially since i cant rly center her, cause there is no more art to the left).

Also im starting to think that i will continue to rock the "Deals double damage to X." theme through out my entire class, i already have Z-00 K33-P3R in ONiK with "Deals double damage to Beasts, Dragons and Murlocs.". I kinda like the idea of it and it fits my class nicely too.

Hey Sinti, if you want to go with a double damage theme for your class, you might want to take a look at my Warrior cards I used for the expansion creation comp. I think a double damage theme is really interesting, but you should be really careful with it. You should try to prevent a possibility of dealing quadruple damage (stacking double damage). Here are the warrior cards I used (just ignore the horde icons and the fact that these CAN make quadruple damage possible xD):

Hey, thanks for the input. Yeah, i will most definitely be careful about how i handle the double damage, my focus isnt to create a face deck, thats for sure, tho givin a minion "Deals double damage to heroes." was just too good to pass up for the flavor :D But mby it is too strong of an effect? I mean having an 6+ attack minion out and givin it the effect is a bit strong hm? Mby i should increase the cost to at least 4 or something. My main concern now is kinda one of my "core" minions i made, that will have an 8 attack on the turn your hero attacked and having 8 health, chances r it will survive till next turn. That might be a tiny bit too powerful of a combo :X

And yeah, how i imagine the spell working is that if you would play a second copy on a minion, it wouldnt stack, cause it would just give him the same ability again. Your two minions can stack the dmg cause the effect technically comes from two different sources, right? At least that is my thought process.

No I think the balance is fine at 2 (think Windfury). Though I am not sure if giving a minion double double damage wouldn't make it quadruple. Basically it's up to the way you explain it. If by double damage you mean the damage done is mulitplied by two, it would mean x2 x2 (hence, times 4). If by double damage you mean, double the attack of what the minion shows on board, it can not deal quadruple damage. I think the latter is fine come to think of it. Your card doesn't read "Double the Attack", cause that would be a problem, but "this minions deals double damage".  Giving a minion Perfect twice doesn't change the text to "this minions deals quadruple damage" all of a sudden... I dont think my two minions would stack the effect either actually. Ok, now my brain hurts...

The combo with Centurion might be really strong.. But on the other hand, how often is Windfury used? Shaman doesnt have easy access to an 8 Attack minion, but still..

EDIT: all-in-all, I think its fine as it is. The dangerous thing with awesome designs like these is just that it limits your future design space. Which isnt a bad thing, just keep these things in mind when creating new cards.

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FEEDBACK BEGGING ONCE MORE.

With my current Basic set, I meet 3 out of 6 challenges (hoping these will be it). I think that only small changes will have to be applied if I have to meet the other challenges. Not much has changes since the last time I posted this, only:

1. Balanced Mind Trap a little better.
2. Changed the art for Reshape.
3. Changed the name of a card.

(all thanks to Hurien for his awesome review)

Some more feedback would be great!

Reminder: My class & submission for Phase I:

The Illusionist!

  

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The Illusionist is able to manipulate reality and Alter effects of her cards. It is a control oriented class that has some strong early game minions, healing effects, single target removal and aoe. However, because of its versatility (mainly in the keyword) there will be some other archetypes available.

The Alter keyword changes an effect of a card (minions, spells, weapons and hero cards) when your Hero is at low health. Basically a card with alter does A while your Hero is at 16 to 30 Health, it does B while your Hero is at 1 to 15 Health. The Alter-ed effect isn't necessarily better though. Some cards are better while the Alter effect is active, others are better while the Alter effect is inactive, and finally, there will be cards that are just different while the Alter effect is active. To be able to influence the Alter effects, the Illusionist has cards that deal damage to its own Hero. To compensate, it will have healing as well.

How would Alter work in-game? 
When your Hero's Health is reduced to 15 or less, ALL of your cards gain their Alter-ed effects. Hence, cards in your hand, in your deck or in play. When your Hero's Health is restored to 16 or more, ALL of your cards lose their Alter-ed effects.

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The class' theme is put into Hearthstone mechanics by the following aspects:

• 0-Attack minions
• 4-mana secrets (called Illusions)
• Effects that are active during your opponent's next turn
• (Temporal) stat adjustments
• The new Keyword: Alter

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 Basic set:

Class concepts I am not using for the basic set:

• Secrets
• The class specific keyword (Alter).

Class concepts that are included in the basic set:

0-Attack minions and buffing

(Temporal) stat adjustments and 'during your opponent's turn effects':

Hero Health control (Alter synergy):

Other:

 

Summary in terms of what we need for the Basic set:

• 2 cards for card draw
• 3 removal cards (too few?)
• 2 buff cards
• 2 minions
• 2 class specific cards (Terrify and Peaceful Gesture)

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so, i still have to tweak the minion border and add the patern on the side, but in the meantime, i've made the spell border and would like some feedback:

i'm not very happy with it, but i'd like other people to tell me which direction i should take this;

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hey, guys, quick question, if i have the following 2 cards:

would they count towards the "State of the art" challenge? since i photoshoped the boom bot in flasbang from the art on goblin boom, i think it should. (ignore the gems and text for now)

also, sorry if i'm spamming

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Regardless, I do have 2 cards in case it does win. I think I'm a bit on to something here.

Been There and Done That both are part of the phrase "Been There, Done That" (someone gave me idea for that, I forgot what his name was but you know who you are), and I love that Been There's artwork is a portal or a vision of another place hence I've "been there". They both cost 4 mana and have very similar effects. You might ask "why 4 instead of 3?" when compared to similar cards (Arcane Intellect, Thoughsteal). They might be underpowered at 4, but when I compared Been There to Zola the Gorgon and Duplicate, 4 seemed about right.

I now also have 3 cards with 3 or more lines in them so I only have 1 spot left for Deceptively Simple.

Fun fact: The character that appears in Done That is the same character as the Classic Legendary:

(In case you can't tell, I suck at names, especially original names)

Bump for feedback. I suppose having 2 cards with very similar effects in the Basic set isn't that good of an idea, and Done That might be stretching it in terms of Basic card complexity.

I like the phrase Been there, done that. It fits your class nicely. Been There looks fine, tho Done that might use a bit of a simplification, yeah. Also its probably a little too strong, even tho it doesnt look like it. I mean you dont even had to have played those cards in the same turn, this could result in some serious value, too much probably. Or even some weird combos/otks that players could figure out, dunno. It looks like it invites all kinds of dangerous situations. Definitely more than a basic card should create imho.

Kara Shellen: lol another 6 mana 4/8 ?:D But i do like the card, cool ability for the class and obviously good stats :)

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Ok, im toying with this: Practice makes perfect :) Btw im open to suggestions for Perfect, hard to figure out what art to use on that one, the one i have is kinda cool i think, but im not too sure about it (especially since i cant rly center her, cause there is no more art to the left).

Also im starting to think that i will continue to rock the "Deals double damage to X." theme through out my entire class, i already have Z-00 K33-P3R in ONiK with "Deals double damage to Beasts, Dragons and Murlocs.". I kinda like the idea of it and it fits my class nicely too.

Hey Sinti, if you want to go with a double damage theme for your class, you might want to take a look at my Warrior cards I used for the expansion creation comp. I think a double damage theme is really interesting, but you should be really careful with it. You should try to prevent a possibility of dealing quadruple damage (stacking double damage). Here are the warrior cards I used (just ignore the horde icons and the fact that these CAN make quadruple damage possible xD):

Hey, thanks for the input. Yeah, i will most definitely be careful about how i handle the double damage, my focus isnt to create a face deck, thats for sure, tho givin a minion "Deals double damage to heroes." was just too good to pass up for the flavor :D But mby it is too strong of an effect? I mean having an 6+ attack minion out and givin it the effect is a bit strong hm? Mby i should increase the cost to at least 4 or something. My main concern now is kinda one of my "core" minions i made, that will have an 8 attack on the turn your hero attacked and having 8 health, chances r it will survive till next turn. That might be a tiny bit too powerful of a combo :X

And yeah, how i imagine the spell working is that if you would play a second copy on a minion, it wouldnt stack, cause it would just give him the same ability again. Your two minions can stack the dmg cause the effect technically comes from two different sources, right? At least that is my thought process.

No I think the balance is fine at 2 (think Windfury). Though I am not sure if giving a minion double double damage wouldn't make it quadruple. Basically it's up to the way you explain it. If by double damage you mean the damage done is mulitplied by two, it would mean x2 x2 (hence, times 4). If by double damage you mean, double the attack of what the minion shows on board, it can not deal quadruple damage. I think the latter is fine come to think of it. Your card doesn't read "Double the Attack", cause that would be a problem, but "this minions deals double damage".  Giving a minion Perfect twice doesn't change the text to "this minions deals quadruple damage" all of a sudden... I dont think my two minions would stack the effect either actually. Ok, now my brain hurts...

The combo with Centurion might be really strong.. But on the other hand, how often is Windfury used? Shaman doesnt have easy access to an 8 Attack minion, but still..

EDIT: all-in-all, I think its fine as it is. The dangerous thing with awesome designs like these is just that it limits your future design space. Which isnt a bad thing, just keep these things in mind when creating new cards.

Hmm, yeah your are probably right. I guess if 4 mana 7/7 didnt break Windfury, this would be fine at 2 mana as well. And yeah, i think when it says "Deals double damage" even if it would have the text twice on top of it, it would still just deal double damage, it doesnt actually increse its attack power when attacking, it just deals more damage, so it definitely shouldnt stack, or at least that is my intention. I will probably write it in the description as well to make it clear and will operate with the assumption that it would not quadruple the dmg dealt.

To your cards:

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FEEDBACK BEGGING ONCE MORE.

With my current Basic set, I meet 3 out of 6 challenges (hoping these will be it). I think that only small changes will have to be applied if I have to meet the other challenges. Not much has changes since the last time I posted this, only:

1. Balanced Mind Trap a little better.
2. Changed the art for Reshape.
3. Changed the name of a card.

(all thanks to Hurien for his awesome review)

Some more feedback would be great!

Reminder: My class & submission for Phase I:

The Illusionist!

  

---

The Illusionist is able to manipulate reality and Alter effects of her cards. It is a control oriented class that has some strong early game minions, healing effects, single target removal and aoe. However, because of its versatility (mainly in the keyword) there will be some other archetypes available.

The Alter keyword changes an effect of a card (minions, spells, weapons and hero cards) when your Hero is at low health. Basically a card with alter does A while your Hero is at 16 to 30 Health, it does B while your Hero is at 1 to 15 Health. The Alter-ed effect isn't necessarily better though. Some cards are better while the Alter effect is active, others are better while the Alter effect is inactive, and finally, there will be cards that are just different while the Alter effect is active. To be able to influence the Alter effects, the Illusionist has cards that deal damage to its own Hero. To compensate, it will have healing as well.

How would Alter work in-game? 
When your Hero's Health is reduced to 15 or less, ALL of your cards gain their Alter-ed effects. Hence, cards in your hand, in your deck or in play. When your Hero's Health is restored to 16 or more, ALL of your cards lose their Alter-ed effects.

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The class' theme is put into Hearthstone mechanics by the following aspects:

• 0-Attack minions
• 4-mana secrets (called Illusions)
• Effects that are active during your opponent's next turn
• (Temporal) stat adjustments
• The new Keyword: Alter

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 Basic set:

Class concepts I am not using for the basic set:

• Secrets
• The class specific keyword (Alter).

Class concepts that are included in the basic set:

0-Attack minions and buffing

(Temporal) stat adjustments and 'during your opponent's turn effects':

Hero Health control (Alter synergy):

Other:

 

Summary in terms of what we need for the Basic set:

• 2 cards for card draw
• 3 removal cards (too few?)
• 2 buff cards
• 2 minions
• 2 class specific cards (Terrify and Peaceful Gesture)

Reshape: feels a bit too strong, but mby it isnt given the cost, but still.

Diminish: mby it should say "start of your next turn" ?

Mind Trap: this one definitely feels too strong, iv talked with Zence today about AOE divine shield and this basically does that, since it negates any damage dealt by the enemy minions while trading into them, its probably even better to be honest, since it is not reliant on how many minions you have. And not only that, you basically denying an attack from all those minions that you couldnt finish off to your opponent in his next turn. This rly feels like too much. I would go with the cost to at least 7, mby even more if you have some other cards that could utilize enemy minions being at 0 Attack. Also same thing > "start of your next turn" ?

Rest of your cards seem pretty good. All the cards actually seem pretty good, just some of them i worry a tiny bit about their power level. Good art on most of them too. Cloud Elemental is kinda weird, im not rly sure what im supposed to recognize there :D And Emerge i can see the character coming out of the tree, but its not rly visible properly all that much.

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By the way, is anyone having problems where sometimes the poll picks what you voted for you, even if you haven't voted yet or it's completely different from what you voted on?

Yep, having that one for years now lol :D

 my understanding is that's just a visual glitch? i.e. votes are not affected?

I think so, it was explained to me once before, but i dont remember anymore, so im not 100% sure :o

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so, i still have to tweak the minion border and add the patern on the side, but in the meantime, i've made the spell border and would like some feedback:

i'm not very happy with it, but i'd like other people to tell me which direction i should take this;

I dont like the yellow in here too much, how about leaving the yellow parts in the original "neutral" color and just adding the orange?

 Thanks for your review!

Reshape: I was on the brink of making this 6 mana, but I am not sure.. I balanced it against Bloodlust and Mark of the Lotus.

Diminish and Mind Trap: I don't think the card needs NEXT since Doomsayer, Nat Pagle, Demolisher etc. Right? I increased Mind Trap's mana cost from 5 to 6 already. Though it still might be really strong. I didn't make it more expensive, because Frost Nova is 3 mana. It's basically the same thing with an added free trade. But the free trade doesn't do anything when you haven't got minions on board. Looking at Frost Nova and Twisting Nether, I feel this card is ok at 6, but I am still in doubt a little. 

Will probably change the art for Emerge, think I'll keep Cloud Figure tho xD Because it's some foggy elemental.

If it helps any, I think Mind Trap is fine as is at 6.

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Also just to know, would a base card like this one be fine? (If not I can also put it in the classic set)

Trying to fit the class mechanic even when I can't. (No actually it was part of a Watch and Learn set of cards)

Obviously 6 tokens are missing, I'd only like to know if you like the concept, if it gives the idea of my class, if it looks balanced and whether it would be better to put this in the classic set or it's fine like this. (Also is the wording fine?)

It's difficult to make a weapon based class and keep it balanced, still I'm trying my best. Too many unique weapons would have taken many spots that were meant for minions and spells, so I thought of gaining a bit of set space with this. Last thing: I've used the borders of the class they're based on to help viewers, but maybe I should make them all of the Soulknife color and add the class in the description.