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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

 We've already discusssed this to death in another thread. You can search your deck for any card, but that means potentially giving up a ton of cards from your deck. Every time you don't get the card you want there's a trade-off between discarding a card you might need later and getting the card you need now. How much that trade-off is worth is up for debate, but I don't feel like debating it any more.

 Unless you go to fatigue, you're simply viewing the bottom cards of your deck. You're actually GAINING information not losing any cards.

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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

 We've already discusssed this to death in another thread. You can search your deck for any card, but that means potentially giving up a ton of cards from your deck. Every time you don't get the card you want there's a trade-off between discarding a card you might need later and getting the card you need now. How much that trade-off is worth is up for debate, but I don't feel like debating it any more.

 Unless you go to fatigue, you're simply viewing the bottom cards of your deck. You're actually GAINING information not losing any cards.

 We've had this exact debate before, and I don't really want to do it again. It's exhausting.

 I wasn't there, and if you think I'm wrong then whoever tried to convince you last time sucked so I'm not surprised it was exhausting. There's actually not much to it.

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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

 We've already discusssed this to death in another thread. You can search your deck for any card, but that means potentially giving up a ton of cards from your deck. Every time you don't get the card you want there's a trade-off between discarding a card you might need later and getting the card you need now. How much that trade-off is worth is up for debate, but I don't feel like debating it any more.

 Unless you go to fatigue, you're simply viewing the bottom cards of your deck. You're actually GAINING information not losing any cards.

 We've had this exact debate before, and I don't really want to do it again. It's exhausting.

 I wasn't there, and if you think I'm wrong then whoever tried to convince you last time sucked so I'm not surprised it was exhausting. There's actually not much to it.

If you really want to debate it, go look up the previous debate. I'm pretty sure it was just in the Final Poll for that week. I don't want to type all that out again.

 What is there to type? This is all it is; the ONLY time those discarded cards matter is if you go to fatigue. Otherwise, you can just treat the discarded cards as the cards at the bottom of your deck.

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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

 We've already discusssed this to death in another thread. You can search your deck for any card, but that means potentially giving up a ton of cards from your deck. Every time you don't get the card you want there's a trade-off between discarding a card you might need later and getting the card you need now. How much that trade-off is worth is up for debate, but I don't feel like debating it any more.

 Unless you go to fatigue, you're simply viewing the bottom cards of your deck. You're actually GAINING information not losing any cards.

 We've had this exact debate before, and I don't really want to do it again. It's exhausting.

 I wasn't there, and if you think I'm wrong then whoever tried to convince you last time sucked so I'm not surprised it was exhausting. There's actually not much to it.

If you really want to debate it, go look up the previous debate. I'm pretty sure it was just in the Final Poll for that week. I don't want to type all that out again.

 What is there to type? This is all it is; the ONLY time those discarded cards matter is if you go to fatigue. Otherwise, you can just treat the discarded cards as the cards at the bottom of your deck.

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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

 We've already discusssed this to death in another thread. You can search your deck for any card, but that means potentially giving up a ton of cards from your deck. Every time you don't get the card you want there's a trade-off between discarding a card you might need later and getting the card you need now. How much that trade-off is worth is up for debate, but I don't feel like debating it any more.

 Unless you go to fatigue, you're simply viewing the bottom cards of your deck. You're actually GAINING information not losing any cards.

 We've had this exact debate before, and I don't really want to do it again. It's exhausting.

 I wasn't there, and if you think I'm wrong then whoever tried to convince you last time sucked so I'm not surprised it was exhausting. There's actually not much to it.

If you really want to debate it, go look up the previous debate. I'm pretty sure it was just in the Final Poll for that week. I don't want to type all that out again.

 What is there to type? This is all it is; the ONLY time those discarded cards matter is if you go to fatigue. Otherwise, you can just treat the discarded cards as the cards at the bottom of your deck.

But you can't just say as a blanket statement that the discarded cards don't matter.  They just don't matter at that moment.  Let's say you are up against an aggro deck and you really need to clear the board.  Selective Harvest will find a swipe or starfall for you, but you may discard fandral or ultimate infestation or something.  True, those cards are useless when you need a board clear to survive but once you clear the board you may regret having lost them.  Or lets say you are playing ramp druid.  You play selective harvest on turn 3 hoping to find ramp cards but you draw one of your big minions like Y'Shaarj or Deathwing.  They are useless to you on turn 3 but discarding him now means you won't be able to play him later.  

The card was intended to provide meaningful choices.  You need to weigh your immediate needs against what you think you will need later in the game.  In many cases, the immediate need will be more important and I agree that it is a strong card because of that.  But its not without downsides and could easily be misplayed.  If you are lucky, the discarded cards won't matter.  That's the hope.  But I don't see how you can say that they will never matter in any situation unless you go to fatigue.

That being said, as nurgling mentioned this was debated to death during the weekly competition.  Its silly to turn this into an extended rehash of that debate, especially when (a) I imagine nearly everyone who intends to vote has already done so and (b) Selective Harvest isn't likely to win anyway.  As I've said before, I appreciate everyone who has supported the card.  For those that don't, there are 19 other excellent choices to vote for.

 

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I can't believe no one sees a balance issue with Selective Harvest. It's literally Computer Search. You can actually just search your deck for any card you want AND gain information about what's left in your deck as a bonus.

 We've already discusssed this to death in another thread. You can search your deck for any card, but that means potentially giving up a ton of cards from your deck. Every time you don't get the card you want there's a trade-off between discarding a card you might need later and getting the card you need now. How much that trade-off is worth is up for debate, but I don't feel like debating it any more.

 Unless you go to fatigue, you're simply viewing the bottom cards of your deck. You're actually GAINING information not losing any cards.

 We've had this exact debate before, and I don't really want to do it again. It's exhausting.

 I wasn't there, and if you think I'm wrong then whoever tried to convince you last time sucked so I'm not surprised it was exhausting. There's actually not much to it.

If you really want to debate it, go look up the previous debate. I'm pretty sure it was just in the Final Poll for that week. I don't want to type all that out again.

 What is there to type? This is all it is; the ONLY time those discarded cards matter is if you go to fatigue. Otherwise, you can just treat the discarded cards as the cards at the bottom of your deck.

But you can't just say as a blanket statement that the discarded cards don't matter.  They just don't matter at that moment.  Let's say you are up against an aggro deck and you really need to clear the board.  Selective Harvest will find a swipe or starfall for you, but you may discard fandral or ultimate infestation or something.  True, those cards are useless when you need a board clear to survive but once you clear the board you may regret having lost them.  Or lets say you are playing ramp druid.  You play selective harvest on turn 3 hoping to find ramp cards but you draw one of your big minions like Y'Shaarj or Deathwing.  They are useless to you on turn 3 but discarding him now means you won't be able to play him later.  

The card was intended to provide meaningful choices.  You need to weigh your immediate needs against what you think you will need later in the game.  In many cases, the immediate need will be more important and I agree that it is a strong card because of that.  But its not without downsides and could easily be misplayed.  If you are lucky, the discarded cards won't matter.  That's the hope.  But I don't see how you can say that they will never matter in any situation unless you go to fatigue.

That being said, as nurgling mentioned this was debated to death during the weekly competition.  Its silly to turn this into an extended rehash of that debate, especially when (a) I imagine nearly everyone who intends to vote has already done so and (b) Selective Harvest isn't likely to win anyway.  As I've said before, I appreciate everyone who has supported the card.  For those that don't, there are 19 other excellent choices to vote for.

 But if those cards are on the bottom of your deck, you wouldn't have seen them anyway. You're ignoring the fundamental part of the argument; discarding cards is exactly the same as them being at the bottom of your deck, unless you go to fatigue. In the case that you go to fatigue, yes the discarded cards matter, because you are now not gaining cards when you could have. But 99% of games will not go to fatigue (especially ones where you get to search your deck for a specific card) so there is NO drawback to discarding those cards. The following points are on the basis that going to fatigue is negligible and can be ignored.

Even if you need an Ultimate Infestation or Fandral later in the game, there is no guarantee you will draw it if you don't discard it with Selective Harvest. In fact there is EXACTLY as much chance of it being in the bottom X cards of your deck (the ones you won't see that game because it ends before you draw them) as there is discarding it with Selective Harvest. The chance of seeing it DOES NOT CHANGE in a game that you use a Selective Harvest vs a game that you don't. Discarding UI does not change the game from "You will have UI later" to "you will not" it simply shows that it's too far down in your deck to see this game. Again, it's by no means my main point, but it in fact BENEFITS you slightly knowing that.

Again, the ONLY valid argument is the increased chance of going to fatigue. If you believe that is not negligible and has a tangible impact on the card's power level then that opinion has basis. Outside of that though, opinion does not come into play here. This is objectively correct, factual information. There is no discussion to be had. I could argue that the world is flat but that doesn't change that it is objectively round.

 My only worry about Selective Harvest is in Jade Druid, so hear me out.

Jade Druid plays long enough to find out whether there opponent is playing argo or control (normally takes 3 or 4 turns), during these turns you play a Jade Idol. If control, on turn 3 you play Selective Harvest until you have discarded 3 of the Jade Idols in your deck (2 shuffles and 1 orginal), statistically, most your deck is gone. You now have a small deck which is a lot better for filling up with Jade Idols means around turn 8 to 9, you can be pumping out a Jade Golem nearly every turn.

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I predict a winner that noone expected!

Less than an hour left. Really intense.

I knew I was going to be last. I got screwed by Team 5.

Congrats KingKuba. This is quite the achievement you've got there.