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Oh, that's right, I saw the question about the Hero Power with Discover but never got to answering it, my bad. Yeah, that was allowed. Although we've been pretty strict about what goes on cards themselves so that people aren't using keywords unrealistically before sets they would belong in, we've never restricted Hero Powers that same way just because Hero Powers are such a narrow design space already. I was going to limit them this competition, but then I decided not to because we had a challenge narrowing the Hero Power design space even further. This may change for the future, but it was allowed this time, and that wasn't the only entry that did it.

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Oh, that's right, I saw the question about the Hero Power with Discover but never got to answering it, my bad. Yeah, that was allowed. Although we've been pretty strict about what goes on cards themselves so that people aren't using keywords unrealistically before sets they would belong in, we've never restricted Hero Powers that same way just because Hero Powers are such a narrow design space already. I was going to limit them this competition, but then I decided not to because we had a challenge narrowing the Hero Power design space even further. This may change for the future, but it was allowed this time, and that wasn't the only entry that did it.

 With that in mind I'll retract my statements, though I will note that Shaman had a "choose" effect in their hero power. You could describe the whole process of discover (Choose one of three random cards) without having to actually use it, the design concept was available in tracking and mulliganning. All in all I dislike the keyword in Hero Power cocnepts a lot because generally that doesn't happen, but I have a very particular design aesthetic and it's not my place to say they can't or shouldn't, that's your call.

 I mean this contest also have specific challenges we have to meet, and deciding to do something different with you hero power does lead a lot of weird places. As you said, almost all of use that used a keyword could have simply written out the specific effect onto the card, and there is a chance that that would actually make it into the set. We often used that keyword simple because we were forced not only into making tokens, but also making a keyword to use across all the card types. Yes, its unorthodox, but I don't think its completely terrible. I think almost all of us that did it wish we hadn't done it because blizzard wouldn't have done it, but that doesn't exactly make it a bad thing.

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Oh, that's right, I saw the question about the Hero Power with Discover but never got to answering it, my bad. Yeah, that was allowed. Although we've been pretty strict about what goes on cards themselves so that people aren't using keywords unrealistically before sets they would belong in, we've never restricted Hero Powers that same way just because Hero Powers are such a narrow design space already. I was going to limit them this competition, but then I decided not to because we had a challenge narrowing the Hero Power design space even further. This may change for the future, but it was allowed this time, and that wasn't the only entry that did it.

 With that in mind I'll retract my statements, though I will note that Shaman had a "choose" effect in their hero power. You could describe the whole process of discover (Choose one of three random cards) without having to actually use it, the design concept was available in tracking and mulliganning. All in all I dislike the keyword in Hero Power cocnepts a lot because generally that doesn't happen, but I have a very particular design aesthetic and it's not my place to say they can't or shouldn't, that's your call.

 I mean this contest also have specific challenges we have to meet, and deciding to do something different with you hero power does lead a lot of weird places. As you said, almost all of use that used a keyword could have simply written out the specific effect onto the card, and there is a chance that that would actually make it into the set. We often used that keyword simple because we were forced not only into making tokens, but also making a keyword to use across all the card types. Yes, its unorthodox, but I don't think its completely terrible. I think almost all of us that did it wish we hadn't done it because blizzard wouldn't have done it, but that doesn't exactly make it a bad thing.

 Yeah, it's definitely more of a personal thing. As someone with e three line Hero power, I can understand the difficulties it can present, I just figure if we open up our entries to the public (as I speak we're on the mainpage) we should be careful to fully explain things, though I suppose most people will prefer the keyword. I dunno.

I'll repeat the point earlier, we are live broadcasting to much of Hearthpwn now guys. We've all got concepts we like and creators we support, but now we've got to be sure that we convey our ideas well to the whole rest of the site. This echoes my issues with Blood Mage, it's not intuitive not only to new players but to the community as a whole.

My griping aside, a continued good luck to everyone in this poll and the last one. I honestly don't think any of you are bad creators and I maintain as well none of us our perfect. We'll only make it to following rounds by supporting each other and bouncing ideas off of each other. And yeah, admittedly I'm not the most frequent visitor to the discussion post cause life has many potholes, but honestly I suspect none of us got here without help from somebody, be it Asylum, our friends (Shout-out to Broeck and McF4rtson) or another contestant. Hats off competitors.

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Alchemist: There are a few classes I looked deeper into for various reasons farther than the 4 we're showcasing, because they need a token or an alternate card to cast things. This class doesn't have as bad a time with the Versatile potiones, but oh sweet hell would it be hard to get these spells to work. The spells and minions are balanced without then potions, but some card are seemingly dependent on them. I dislike the keyword, because it's really, really specific. I dunno. It doesn't seem intuitive and doesn't seem like a great Hero Power, and seems like you need to use it constantly to get anything done. Really, really not my favorite class style of concept. There will be a lot more of these, and personally this one is one of the better ones.

The concoct mechanic was something I wasn't sure on either so I simulated a few games with good old pen and paper and it actually works really well. Even when testing concoct heavy decks more of the potions were used normally rather than for the effect showing the hero power works great even without concoct, and that you can naturally generate more potions than you might think. Just think of how often other decks like control warrior and mid-range shaman use their hero power. You end up with plenty of potions and most the cards are easy enough to pull off. Using bottled death as an example, you can hero power, then next turn hero power bottled death. That only takes a single turn of prep from 0 potions.

The idea behind the mechanic is while you have lots of potions you can have really insane turns, being able to cheaply remove stuff and play powerful cards as well. An awesome way to catchup if your behind. The drawback being while you have no potions your opponent can make some really big plays against you and you now have no easy way to deal with it as all your big removal is temporarily much weaker. Sort of risk reward style of thing.

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Although I really liked the Blood Mage at first, it's taken quite a different turn with TWO disruption cards in the examples.

I really like Worgen, Cult Leader, and Swarmlord, I'll write an analysis later bc I don't have time right now.

And I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but dear Lord... Zanywoop, change your card border. 

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Although I really liked the Blood Mage at first, it's taken quite a different turn with TWO disruption cards in the examples.

I really like Worgen, Cult Leader, and Swarmlord, I'll write an analysis later bc I don't have time right now.

And I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but dear Lord... Zanywoop, change your card border. 

 

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Although I really liked the Blood Mage at first, it's taken quite a different turn with TWO disruption cards in the examples.

I really like Worgen, Cult Leader, and Swarmlord, I'll write an analysis later bc I don't have time right now.

And I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but dear Lord... Zanywoop, change your card border. 

 

The other ones don't really fit is what I'm trying to say.

Neither me nor McF4rtson have the time to work on the old or make a new border. We get people don't like it, but unfortunately we concurrently don't have the time to make a new one... or go back and replace the border on all the previous cards.... We're in finals season at our respective schools. Thank you for the concern but seriously, we've heard it all at this point.

 The salt is real.

It's fine to have your opinions about the card border, but Zanywoop and I get it. I think I should have polished it a bit more before publishing it, and Zany is fine with it in general. I appreciate the concerns, but we're just too busy to do anything about it. So, er, could you guys please go easy on this issue? Much appreciated.