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Uh I might have an issue with my post as I accidentally deleted an example card of mine from the source. S I'm worried ppl won't be able to see it. Any chance I can repost it or an admin can so people can see the actual card? (It was the Forge Drake btw) Here is the reloaded version:
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Card Design ChampionDamn I think I did a goof. I didn't put any card explanations in my submission topic as I was just thinking that it wouldn't matter since they wouldn't be in the poll, but since the poll links back to the submission page I guess I probably should have. Oh well, my cards aren't really combo orientated so they should be self explanatory. Minor missed opportunity I guess.
Well anyway since phase 3 is locked in, I might as well post some cool ideas I have for phase 4 assuming I make it. The competition is definitely tough!
Reminder of my Hero Power and class keyword:
Bottled Dragonfire: Weaker than Fireball but with a really cool concoct effect that'll have players seriously considering the placement of their minions.
Reanimated Dragon: Full dragon classes already exist so I didn't want dragon alchemist to be similar to them. This card would make a type of dragon alchemist possible but it'd probably only run really powerful dragon effects like Chillmaw and Rend Blackhand. Figured it'd be something pretty cool for people to try out!
Epidemus, Flesh Shaper: Unsure on the name. This may seem really OP at first but it might fool you. The class has a hero power that can heal the hero, this is clearly a control card and the control legendary (Professor Putricide) is able to give you sometimes multiple cards that can heal you, a staple control card draw (Relentless Research) is attached to a heal, and then you can't run any other heals of course. Given all that you may start with more health but without this guy even with a normal control deck you could definitely heal more than 15 if the game goes on for awhile. The idea is that if you ran this card you'd probably run a very different style of control deck that's probably a lot faster as longer games work better without this guy. He'd also be great to tech in if decks every got as aggressive as they are now. Note that Alexstrasza can still pseudo heal you and also take you down a full 30 health if your undamaged so this card doesn't counter freeze mage, in fact it's terrible vs them.
Slime Overtime: Permanent effects with a condition is another theme this class has, though it isn't used much as you couldn't use many of them in a deck. The only current other one is Relentless Research. Anyway getting 2 versatile potions per turn is an insane advantage for my class given how powerful some concoct effects are, that's why it costs 4. This card is balanced because you have to use the overcosted hero power every turn or you lose it. And since your using a card for it you only really get value if you use your hero power at least 3 times. (2 potions is worth about a card in my mind). If you manage to keep using it for ages then it'll definitely pay off with cards like Watchful Gargoyle that resummon themselves with concoct 2. Also if your wondering Justicar Trueheart just doubles the damage/healing of the potions rather than given you two.
Elixir of Luck: Double the cost of Tracking but you see 2 more cards and they aren't discarded. This will heavily reward thinking ahead and if your reckless with it you can screw yourself over. I feel it's a very important card for control since aggro basically always draws what they need since everything is cheap and there are few dead cards while control often loses because they couldn't get the right answer. This should help control from auto losing due to bad hands.
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Card Design ChampionBottled Dragonfire - To start, I hate the name. Its soooooo close to Dragonfire Potion. I know its probably hard to come up with anything else, but I think even Bottle Dragon's Breath is better, if a bit wordy. The Concoct also seems a touch high. Explosive Shot costs 1 more than this and always deals 2 to adjacent minions. I think this could be Concoct 2.
Reanimated Dragon - I like the idea of pushing the Dragon mechanic in a different direct, and I like that the card itself is a Dragon, so you can hold it and use it to trigger other Dragon effects until you have enough potions that you can reliably Concoct once you cast it.
Epidermus - Its funny that you felt like this was a control card, because I instantly saw it as an aggro/midrange style of card. I think the base body is too cheap. 6 mana isn't your favorite cost in aggro, but its not unplayable. I mean Dr. Boom made it into every single deck, and Secret Paladin was built on a 6 drop, and also often played Tirion Fordring, so even though it was an aggro deck it played two 6 drops, a 7 and an 8. I think the body needs to be made less viable for aggro. They would still likely play this as an 8 mana 8/9 or whatever, but at least it wouldn't be as good for them. I do like it as a control option though I do worry 15 might be too much health. That's obviously hard to really test though, but that's what makes me see it as an aggro card, because you just can't race someone that's 15 health ahead.
Slime Overtime - I think its an odd choice to have this in the same set as Justicar Trueheart. I'm not against the card but I think it feels like a card that should have been in your GvG set, but we never did that and now you want it here but it doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm not saying scrap it, in fact I like the card a lot. I want to mention something else. Justicar Trueheart doesn't have to have to double the effect of your hero power. The warlock power, Soul Tap is a great example, and I think you have a great chance to have the Trueheart version of your hero power be free rather than a simple doubling effect. That would give you a weaker growth, just like Hunter, Shaman and Rogue, where the effect isn't great, it still does something dynamic, and I think actually playable, without it needed to generate a token with the same name but a different effect, which hasn't ever happened. If the hero power tooltip just made your Versatile Potions free as a static effect then it wouldn't be all weird.
Elixir of Luck - This is a cool card. Seems fair, considering you don't really know what you'll actually want 2-3 turns later, you're just guessing.
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
I also have a couple of cards planned for future Phases; one for TGT and one for WOG.
Since I probably won't make it past here, I might as well post them. The Tournament card is copied from one of my WCDC submissions, and the Old Gods card was actually rejected from my Classic set because there are no Classic class Murlocs. So nothing you guys haven't seen before.
Explosive Shot => Meteor
Power Word: Tentacles => Spikeridged Steed
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Card Design ChampionThis card gives you 15 more health just for running it, breaking that rule, but at the same time, has a huge disadvantage. While an aggro deck will initially be scared at the thought of 45 health opponents, removing any hope of them fully stabilising while you burst them to death without fear is quite a bit more relieving. That said, my main concern is actually it's potential position in an aggro deck. Aggro decks don't care for spending recources on much beyond enemy face and minions, so the healing penalty is negligible. In a fight against control, it could potentially provide a teeny bit of late game but it's obviously a bad draw in most cases for the class. However, against an aggro mirror match, having 50% more health than the opponent with no real downside is like literally just going into ranked and facing a heroic boss.
I think you need to consider that even if your class is focused on control, aggro versions of it will likely be made, and having this be a strict advantage when you think of the 0 healing cards in your deck and 0 hero power tokens to be used on anything but concoctions, is literally just a flat out buff to aggro alchemist, as there is no reason to not run it. Even though you could say there's no reason to not use Drakonid Operative in Dragon Priest, that card requires you to draw it and spend mana on it, like every other non-Patches the Pirate card in the game, so there is at least a cost.
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Card Design ChampionTo crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
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Grand ExplorerGood luck to everyone! These votes are going to be close. I, too will continue to make my Chronomancer regardless of if I make it or not. Here are a few ideas for future cards, that are in no way yet balanced.
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My Previous Classes: Apothecary (unfinished) / Chronomancer / Death Knight (old)
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Card Design ChampionInfinite Captain - Balance is fine, art is good. I'd really need to see your whole next round to really know how to feel about this though.
Time Keeper - Interesting idea. Considering Murozond I think this is reasonable card if not for that I think it would be somewhat weak. I feel like going too far in on this, beyond the 2 current minions could really make it over powerful.
Destined Champion - Interesting take to push Joust. I'm not 100% sure how to feel about it though. I feel like you're already the strongest Dragon class and now you're setting yourself up to be the strongest Joust class. Not that Joust every was that good, but I think it clearly showed how powerful it could be on the occasion where you won a lot of Jousts. Considering this beats the majority of of minions, as naturally the higher you go in mana cost the fewer minions there are proportionally, it seems like it might be too good. But again, there is no real way to test that and see if it matters at all. The choices you make with class based Joust options will probably be the larges deciding factor.
Time-Lost Proto-Drake - If this is your only class Joust I feel like things are going to be fine. Though I'm concerned by how similar this is to The Skeleton Knight. Like this is soooooo close to that card.
Burn Out the Clock - I love this card. I've always wanted a spell version of the Nozdormu effect. The "End your turn" clause however seems pointless, even if it means you don't have to click "end turn" and its burning like whatever 1/2 or 1 extra second, that seems like a cheeky thing and not a real reasonable drawback. You can always cast this last, so that doesn't really mean anything, its just there, except it completely hoses people that trigger this randomly off of something like Yogg-Saron, Hope's End.
Murozond - This guy is cool. Like I said earlier with Time Keeper, the biggest question is how many times are you going to go into this synergy, because if its overly pushed it obviously makes the card a more or less autowin, but as is, its cool. Fair and different.
The Eternal Game - This is interesting. It has some very cool uses and is just a fun card. Obviously it hits that ONIK theme perfectly. A+.
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Card Design ChampionWell, others have started, so I may as well dig mine out. This is fairly complete, but obviously the challenges have been set forth yet, and I have a feeling I'll need to change a lot moving forward.
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TGT
Octo-Bot options, still need to pick one, and our Ogre.
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Card Design Champion@The_Odinson and maxlot
Thanks for the feedback! Replies in spoiler:
Bottled Dragonfire: I feel the name's fine as is. It is very close to Dragonfire Potion but as Bottled Dragon's Breath it's really close to Dragon's Breath. Given both dragonfire cards deal a similar amount of damage it should work but if I can think of I better name I'll change it. As for the concoct, I'll test it in some simulations to decide between 2 and 3. At 2 it'd be valued closer to Betrayal while at 3 it's costed more so on the max possible damage. Hard to tell what's right without testing.
Reanimated Dragon: I would've loved to have had it only use the concoct if you didn't have a dragon in hand but couldn't word that in 4 lines. I think priest/pally/warrior are good as the full dragon decks. The idea behind this is that the alchemist has been able to study the corpse of a dragon and has learnt how to simulate the power of a dragon with potions. Hence dragon alchemist has little dragons but many cards that use their power. I expect you'd likely see these guys being run with Rend Blackhand (who may actually be useful in this deck), Chillmaw, and maybe Blackwing Corruptor seeing as even if your hands empty and you topdeck one of them you can still get the effect. I doubt the deck would ever be a top deck but it'd more so be a fun thing to test out and try make work, something I think hearthstone needs.
Epidemus, Flesh Shaper: So the big concern is of this being used in aggro and that is very valid. Most the cards for the class are for control but I am still adding in a few specifically for midrange and zoo style decks so this guy may be an issue with that. I do feel however that it may not be as bad as we think given this classes best attempt at aggro is zoo as the class has no charge or face damage cards. This means it can't really do the face race as you can't just smorc someone down, thus it will become a battle for the board. Also since the class isn't made for fast decks this guy might get away with being really strong in that style of deck to push a deck that isn't normally used, similarly to how Menagerie Warden is insane but also only usable in a subpar deck. If I make it into the next phase I will go all out on testing weird deck ideas in simulations as this guy is too hard to judge without actually testing.
Slime Overload: I agree with you guys. I think I'll make it cost 2 and alter your hero power to cost 1 more and give an extra versatile potion. That way it makes sense with Justicar and other hero powers. If your hero power got changed to Life Tap it'd cost 3, deal 2 damage to you, draw a card, and add a versatile potion to your hand. Also that idea with Justicar is pretty cool. I'll have to think on it and test it out.
Elixir of Luck: Happy with this as is. It's probably strong but definitely not overpowered. Lucky draws are better than this after all.
I'll give feedback on your cards at some point tomorrow, just don't have time right now.
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Reanimated Dragon is really cool. To clarify, you should say "This game" or "in your hand" or something, it's unclear ATM.
Epidemus: Ewww... should be Old Gods.
Elixir of Luck: Probably unsafe to do just because of the difficulty of actually ordering the cards.
Time-Lost Proto-Drake: is this not exactly The Skeleton Knight?
Run Out the Clock: Combo Breaker! Great way to deal with Gadgetzan Auctioneer + Conceal. Love it!
The Eternal Game: Also really cool. In line with Unleash and Protect the King.
Explosive Shot => Meteor
Power Word: Tentacles => Spikeridged Steed
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Grand ExplorerThanks for the feedback, @The_Odinson and @Dxiled!
I forgot about The Skeleton Knight! So TimeLost might be changed or scrapped. I knew when I started designing the set that I wanted Dragon synergy with Bronze and Infinite dragons, but I'm wary about adding too many. Besides Murozond, most of my Dragons are midrange. I'm also going to remove the dragon tag from Chromie. I also plan to add at most 1 more Fatigue generating card. I love the effect but don't want it to be oppressive.
I am nervous about this week. There are SO many good entries. If I don't make it I will follow along with the challenges and keep making the set.
Currently working on the Tinker! K&C and WW / JUG and KotFT / Classic / Basic / Introduction
My Previous Classes: Apothecary (unfinished) / Chronomancer / Death Knight (old)
My Previous Expansions: Hallow's End
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Card Design ChampionTo crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
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Card Design ChampionRunaway Aspirant: Love it! Really cool use of the costing (0) effect.
Compliant Proto-Drake: Love it! Again a cool twist on an existing mechanic.
Always be Prepared: Unsure on the name and art but the effect is fine.
Bitter Rivalry: I don't think this is a safe card to make. If they have a full field and you use this you can win off of fatigue.
Control the Action: I think it'd be more clear as "Choose an enemy minion. It attacks a random character at the start of your opponents turns." or "Give an enemy minion "At the start of your turn, attack a random character."" (damn double quotes)
Big-Time Promoter: He seems rather weak for being that conditional but I guess if you can pull the condition off he's fine. Not sure on him.
Dr. Autto, Octo-Engineer: Love the art. Seems a tad weak though tbh since he'll likely be a 10 drop. Since he's a class legendary I'm sure you'd get away with him being an 8/9.
Epidemus: I already made my old gods legendary for the phase II challenge though I feel he'd fit more here anyway. He's one of the things people at the tournament were training to fight so it makes sense that he'd be in the tournament set. Also no old gods mutation on him, just scourge shenanigans!
Slime Overtime: The change shall be made!
Elixir of Luck: I don't think it'd be hard to just drag the cards around or even click on them and have a (1) (2) etc pop up on them. Every other TCG I can think of has something similar so I don't see why it'd be too complicated for HS.
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Card Design ChampionTo crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
Ah, I forgot I still had a copy of this! This was mostly a joke card I made for Gadgetzan after I made A Round of Drinks, but I might as well put it here anyways.
Explosive Shot => Meteor
Power Word: Tentacles => Spikeridged Steed