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Alright, my class is The Stargazer!

Who are Stargazers?

Stargazers look to the skies, studying the stars — wether they use them for tools of navigation or calendar, belief in ancient lore of the skies, or to uncover PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!! Ahem.

Our Hero and power:

So the token does nothing?

Besides provide you with late game encouragement, yes! But that's not all it does. Its purpose is that the Hero Power specifically puts it at the end of your deck, so you'll draw them last, preventing you from fatigue damage. With this, the class could support both slow, fatigue decks, or draw-heavy miracle-type decks. But wait!

The keyword for the class is called Constellation

To clarify, a card with constellation will give you another at the end of your deck. But it can only happen once for each original card; you can't get infinite copies from one copies producing copies. So if you have two copies of the same constellation card in your deck, you can end up playing four in a game. If one was added to your hand, through a random effect like Spellslinger, that would also produce a copy, and so on and so forth. Some examples:

Note: the "each time you draw this" is not a part of the keyword, just an effect I thought would work nicely with it.

So, for Comet Burst, if it wasn't in your opening hand, you could end up with it dealing 6 damage. It works well for late game removal for a fatigue deck, or a finisher for a Malygos deck. 

Also, I'm not sure what kind of cards would be good for examples, but I've got down a couple of basic cards down. However they are very much basic cards.

Let me know what you think!

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This hero power is quite slow but has a powerful effect should you drag the game on long enough and there would be certain cards that could beef up the whelps into bigger threats like 3/3s. Anyway you may be wondering how practically having no hero power early on would mean you survive early on versus aggressive decks, well he simply uses the classes other main focus armor! For example take a look at these cards that focus on stalling the game out and gaining armor and benefiting from having said armor.

Dragon Flight: A slow card that can offer a lot of value should you start draw the Whelps it shuffles in.

Herald, Iron-Skinned Dragon: A key card in the class offering a maximum of 40 health from the start of the game slowing aggressive decks by forcing them to go through 10 more health allowing your hero power and some cards like Dragon Flight to affect the match and hopefully win the board for you.

Smokewhite Drake: A card that nicely fits with Herald as should you keep your armor early you can draw a card and put a good 3 drop on the board.

Anyway that was my idea for the class and although it seems kinda weak do realize that I have alot of ideas that would benefit from things like having a certain number of whelps in the deck or having a certain amount of armor like the Snowwhite Drake. Anyway thoughts on the class?

A small thing that I think might be a good idea is to make the name of the Whelp more unique, even if just by adding a word in front (like Black Whelp or Master's Whelp or something) just because there are already Whelps in the game.

I think Dragon Flight could cost less. Right now it costs the same as Beneath the Grounds only you get 2/2's instead of 4/4's. There is a difference in being able to control your card draw, but I don't know if it's worth so much. You could probably even add "Draw a card" at the end and keep it at 3. Just an idea.

I do really like the idea of Heralth. It's a good way to compensate for the early game and fits with the classes theme. It's giving me trouble though. If it were a battlecry, it would have to cost much more, but being from the start of the game is a significant difference. I think it's okay as it is right now, but it's tricky to evaluate so it might be something to consider.

Smokewhite Dragon is pretty cool. There aren't that many cards that have your amount of armor, so it looks like a neat mechanic to define the class. The balance is really close. It might be fine as is, but I'm doing a lot of thinking on the evaluation and I believe the armor requirement could be less.

Feedback appreciated! Thought I'd post this here before making my submission post. I'm especially interested in the wording of the keyword and hero power/token. Also, if I'm breaking any rules or format stuff, let me know.

 CLASS: The Blood Mage

When the Sunwell of Daralan was destroyed by the Scourge, the elven magi of the Kirin Tor were forced to look elsewhere to sate their addiction to arcane energy. While many believe Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider to be the first blood mage, the art of siphoning arcane energy from living beings was first perfected by the Burning Legion. Little did the demons know that by teaching this art to the Blood Elves, that it would be turned against the Legion. Today, it is not just the Blood Elves who practice blood magic, but also many Naga, Fel Orcs and Satyr's have turned to this technique to free themselves from the Burning Legion. While many traditional mages consider blood magic to be no different than the infernal shadow magics of warlocks, the blood mage knows better: a demon is much more useful dead than alive.

NEW HERO: Ral'thon Morningstar

Ral'thon was a disciple of Prince Kael'thas and followed him into the Outland where he learned the art of blood magic and how to harness the arcane energy within demons and other creatures. When he learned his prince had betrayed the blood elves and was conspiring with the Burning Legion, Ral'thon was among the heroes who assaulted Tempest Keep to slay the treacherous prince. Ral'thon now wanders Azeroth, seeking to unite his fractured people and rebuild the broken alliance with the Naga.

NEW HERO POWER: Spell Flood

Not only can Blood Mages siphon mana from their foes, they can flood creatures with excess mana, causing them distress

MANA FLOOD EXPLAINED: Mana Leak is a 2 cost spell that does nothing. By filling your opponent's deck, and possibly their hand, with this nearly useless card, you reduce the consistency of their deck. While this power starts off weak, with each additional use, your opponent becomes increasingly likely to have dead draws. This lack of consistency will help disrupt nearly any deck archetype, but will punish combo and control decks the hardest. Mana flood will at times help your opponent curve out, and reduce your chances of suing Siphon cards (see below). In late game attrition situations where your foes hand size is small, continually drawing Mana Leaks can end the game. Mana Leaks do not count as duplicates, to ensure that you cannot instantly disable Reno decks.

NEW KEYWORD: Siphon

No creature can escape the taint of arcane magic, even the weakest and simplest beings carry some mana within them. Demons, monsters and even mortal heroes contain a lot of mana, just waiting to be siphoned by the blood mage.

SIPHON EXPLAINED: Siphon works similarly to Overload. You spend mana crystals you do not have, but in this case you spend the mana left over from your opponent's turn. If a card has Siphon (2), you may discount that card by 2 if your opponent has 2 unused crystals, or by just 1 if they have only one unused crystal. These discounts would appear in the usual fashion, as a green number in card's mana crystal in the upper left corner. Once you play a siphon card, you expend the appropriate amount of your opponent's crystals. You can always play Siphon cards at their full cost, if your foe has no unspent mana.

EXAMPLE CARDS

Arcane Phoenix: This card has obvious synergy with Mana Flood. With each Mana Leak you put into your opponent's deck, you increase the likelihood that your opponent draws a spell. This card also reveals information about your opponent's draw, whether it was a spell or a minion/weapon. Blood Mage decks focus on control styles like Mill and Attrition, this card has great Synergy with Coldlight Oracle.
Spontaneous Combustion: A simple burn spell, this card highlights the Siphon keyword.
Hungry Bloatmage: This card also has obvious synergy with Mana Flood. As you increase your opponent's deck size relative to your own, you discount this card. I balanced this card based on Thing from Below, each requires 5 uses of your hero power to reach zero cost. Though depending on whether you or your opponent is able to draw additional cards, that discount could happen faster or slower. Notably, this card does not require your opponent's deck to be larger. If they are drawing too quickly, and their deck shrinks smaller than yours, you also get the discount. This card then rewards you for identifying your opponent's deck, making you decide whether to Mana Flood them, or let them draw down.

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Alright, my class is The Stargazer!

Who are Stargazers?

Stargazers look to the skies, studying the stars — wether they use them for tools of navigation or calendar, belief in ancient lore of the skies, or to uncover PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!! Ahem.

Our Hero and power:

So the token does nothing?

Besides provide you with late game encouragement, yes! But that's not all it does. Its purpose is that the Hero Power specifically puts it at the end of your deck, so you'll draw them last, preventing you from fatigue damage. With this, the class could support both slow, fatigue decks, or draw-heavy miracle-type decks. But wait!

The keyword for the class is called Constellation

To clarify, a card with constellation will give you another at the end of your deck. But it can only happen once for each original card; you can't get infinite copies from one copies producing copies. So if you have two copies of the same constellation card in your deck, you can end up playing four in a game. If one was added to your hand, through a random effect like Spellslinger, that would also produce a copy, and so on and so forth. Some examples:

Note: the "each time you draw this" is not a part of the keyword, just an effect I thought would work nicely with it.

So, for Comet Burst, if it wasn't in your opening hand, you could end up with it dealing 6 damage. It works well for late game removal for a fatigue deck, or a finisher for a Malygos deck. 

Also, I'm not sure what kind of cards would be good for examples, but I've got down a couple of basic cards down. However they are very much basic cards.

Let me know what you think!

 

 

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Ok, I'm pretty late to the party, but I've been on holiday and will be until the end of phase 1 but I wanted to try to submit something so I threw this together last night after seeing the post. I could go very deep but I figured since the bonus rules aren't all out yet better to not go too deep. Here is my phase 1 version of my submission. I'd just like to make sure I'm doing things to the rules. If you have more feedback about what I'm doing besides that that would be great as well, but not necessary, as I likely won't have time to go over all the posts and give people feedback, at least in this phase.

WELCOME TO MIRAGE RACEWAY!! WHERE THE SPEED ENTHUSIAST IN ALL OF US CAN GET A FIX! YOU ALL KNOW MOST OF OUR RACERS TODAY BUT WE DO HAVE A DARK HORSE FIRST TIME ENTRANT FROM OUR FINAL QUALIFIER, GYRO AND SIRI QUIKREV! LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, START YOUR ENGINES!!!

 The class I've devised is the Racer. Built mostly around Gnomes and Goblins and the races that used to happen at the Shimmering Flats at the Mirage Raceway. The class is built around comebacks in both tempo and in general. Its all about climbing back into games from behind. Winning is one of the easiest things you can do in Hearthstone, I wanted to take on the concept of not losing or coming back from behind, and not just from an absurd standpoint of healing and healing or gaining tons of armor but instead by manipulating tempo and having rewards for being behind on life total. I can't show you everything in just a hero power and 3 cards, but hopefully this interests enough people to want more. 

Our first card is very Basic. But I want to point out some of the design points. This is between Flamestrike and Consecration. Its the sort of card every class has, a basic AoE. However, if you look closely at what the card does you'll not it is more Flamestrike, no face damage on the opponent and this is intentional. We want to remove our opponents minions, but we don't want to influence the health difference in hopes of maximizing that later off of different cards. So its not simply missing face damage simply to make it different than another classes AoE, it serves a purpose. 

And here we have one of those purposes. Pit Stop is one of our card draw spells but it also highlight our comeback mechanics. This is one of the more basic ideas, but I think that's certainly not a bad thing. It also is one of our other Draft Enablers, though its not as certain as most of the rest of them. 

Lastly we have one of our Draft beneficiaries. Drafting is a big deal, and there will be a small group of cards that gain benefits from Drafting them all the way to 0 mana. 

 

Thanks for any and all replies.

 

 

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 I know that Drafting, and Gadgetzan is definitely an issue,

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Alright, my class is The Stargazer!

Who are Stargazers?

Stargazers look to the skies, studying the stars — wether they use them for tools of navigation or calendar, belief in ancient lore of the skies, or to uncover PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!! Ahem.

Our Hero and power:

So the token does nothing?

Besides provide you with late game encouragement, yes! But that's not all it does. Its purpose is that the Hero Power specifically puts it at the end of your deck, so you'll draw them last, preventing you from fatigue damage. With this, the class could support both slow, fatigue decks, or draw-heavy miracle-type decks. But wait!

The keyword for the class is called Constellation

To clarify, a card with constellation will give you another at the end of your deck. But it can only happen once for each original card; you can't get infinite copies from one copies producing copies. So if you have two copies of the same constellation card in your deck, you can end up playing four in a game. If one was added to your hand, through a random effect like Spellslinger, that would also produce a copy, and so on and so forth. Some examples:

Note: the "each time you draw this" is not a part of the keyword, just an effect I thought would work nicely with it.

So, for Comet Burst, if it wasn't in your opening hand, you could end up with it dealing 6 damage. It works well for late game removal for a fatigue deck, or a finisher for a Malygos deck. 

Also, I'm not sure what kind of cards would be good for examples, but I've got down a couple of basic cards down. However they are very much basic cards.

Let me know what you think!

 

I can't go into too much detail right now, but I love it! O.O

I think you might could work on the wording just a bit of the repetitive draw effects, and Stardust is going to be something that you're going to have to be careful of when designing your class's spells because it's far and away the cheapest source of spell damage in the game, but both your concepts and your mechanics seems solid! Just remember not to rely too much on them.

 

 

Also, with this hero power being what it is and with your class thus heavily favoring control, I would strongly consider limiting Guiding Light to minions and severely limiting your hero's access to hero-healing in general. Think Priest-like, not non-existent but also not super common.

 Priest is OK in that regard because it has healing from its hero power. This class, on the other hand, doesn't, so for it to make a viable control deck it needs healing. If Guiding Light hit just minions, it would just be an almost 100% worse Circle of Healing, at least I think. There's rarely a time where healing just your minions is worth 2 mana more than healing all minions, because if you're trading, you generally want to be killing the minion you're trading into.

I was originally also planning a stargazer class, but the challenges destroyed it XD. Like Asylum, I do like it a lot, especially the little flavour text on your token.

My stuff, if anyone has feedback:

The Medium

Sort-Of-Lore-But-Not-Really:

In the depths of the Undercity there lives a girl a blind girl with unnaturally pale skin, said to be able to see the future and talk to the well-and-truly dead like they are still in the land of the living. Although she can not see, her things are always meticulously arranged, and those that visit her for advice or fortunes say that runes are painted all around the room she lives in, in a script too delicate to have been drawn by a blind girl. Rumours say that she lives with a demon disguised as a child (hint hint classic legendary hint hint), that she has never aged for fifty years, that unnatural, ghostly sounds echo in the night as eerie lights fly about in her dwelling, but such rumours and others like them have never been proven, and those that have tried to verify them are prone to disappear without a trace, never to be heard of again.

 

Mediums are all about spirits and dark magic. By communing with the spirits of the land, her fallen ancestors, and other such spiritual bodies, Rhuna can receive 'Guidance' from them, allowing her to play her cards more cheaply and enabling combos that would otherwise be impossible, much like Emperor Thaurissan does now (I swear, they are not related in any way, shape, or form). You can use the tokens as you get them for some immediate benefit, or save them until you have certain combo pieces in hand, and use them to reduce the cost of those. The cost reduction is randomly split amongst your hand cards, and is capable of hitting the same card once, twice, or even three times, just like Arcane Missiles can hit the same minion multiple times.  'Guidance' spells and cards with similar effects will NOT attempt to reduce the cost of cards that already cost (0), or have the Ethereal keyword. <-This is important.

Now, why this particular keyword? Well, it serves two purposes. The most obvious one is that it prevents potentially unbalanced super-wombo-combos using certain cards, giving me a bit more freedom when designing so that I don't always have to be terrified of Malygos or similar cards. Another, less obvious one is that it allows you more consistency with an otherwise random effect, since Ethereal cards won't have their costs reduced. Spirits are fickle creatures. They rarely allow you to do as you please with them - and that includes their mana costs.

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 Now, for the example cards:

Explanations:

One of the many spirits at the Medium's beck and call is the Foxfire Spirit, loosely related to the Kitsunes of Japanese folklore (those ones are a little more... wild, and harder to please). When it's cost is reduced, it gains a powerful buff, becoming a 4/5. It's one of the ways that the Medium can use her cost reduction effects to create synergies. This is a rather basic example of how such synergies can work, but many other things can be done with this effect.

Mediums are also capable of calling on the assistance of powerful entities in order to create temporary pocket dimensions like the Echo Chamber, one of her potential combo pieces. Unfortunately, these entities are difficult to control and converse with, so they lend their assistance only temporarily - one of the Medium's other mechanics, effects that are temporary. The second spell will be cast on the same target as the first spell, and can lead to some pretty insane combos especially with the Medium's cost reduction effects. Also note that it will cause 'Guidance' to cast twice as well, allowing for some crazy cost reductions.

And what use is a Medium if they are unable to fight for themselves when their friends aren't around to help them? Spirit Fire is a simple board clear spell, making use of the blue fire so typical of Yokai, Ghosts, and other such creatures. It's Ethereal, allowing you to hold it in your hand until the optimal moment to unleash upon your opponents, without fear of taking away discounts your other cards need. As a combo/control based class, board clears such as this one are incredibly useful.

 

 

 

Art is just amazing. I honestly still prefer the wording of Guidance to be "Do it three times" or "Repeat three times" just to make it slightly clearer that it's not doing it to the exact same card three times, but eehhhh, you're probably sick of hearing different opinions on it all the time xD

What do you think about wording Foxfire Spirit like so, "Battlecry: If this minion costs (2) or less, do X". It feels consistent with the rest of HS's wording style. Echo Chamber feels so expensive, but probably justified in a class that reduces cost. However, the synergy with Guidance might get out of hand. Consider changing Echo Chamber to only apply to the next spell? Or even next X spells? Otherwise you can end up in a scenario of 0-cost burn spells all going face for double damage, becoming a force scarier and less interactive than Freeze Mage since you can't stop the cost reductions. Spirit Fire is nice, though not very exciting as a showcase. I suppose it does demonstrate Ethereal.

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Ok, I'm pretty late to the party, but I've been on holiday and will be until the end of phase 1 but I wanted to try to submit something so I threw this together last night after seeing the post. I could go very deep but I figured since the bonus rules aren't all out yet better to not go too deep. Here is my phase 1 version of my submission. I'd just like to make sure I'm doing things to the rules. If you have more feedback about what I'm doing besides that that would be great as well, but not necessary, as I likely won't have time to go over all the posts and give people feedback, at least in this phase.

WELCOME TO MIRAGE RACEWAY!! WHERE THE SPEED ENTHUSIAST IN ALL OF US CAN GET A FIX! YOU ALL KNOW MOST OF OUR RACERS TODAY BUT WE DO HAVE A DARK HORSE FIRST TIME ENTRANT FROM OUR FINAL QUALIFIER, GYRO AND SIRI QUIKREV! LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, START YOUR ENGINES!!!

 The class I've devised is the Racer. Built mostly around Gnomes and Goblins and the races that used to happen at the Shimmering Flats at the Mirage Raceway. The class is built around comebacks in both tempo and in general. Its all about climbing back into games from behind. Winning is one of the easiest things you can do in Hearthstone, I wanted to take on the concept of not losing or coming back from behind, and not just from an absurd standpoint of healing and healing or gaining tons of armor but instead by manipulating tempo and having rewards for being behind on life total. I can't show you everything in just a hero power and 3 cards, but hopefully this interests enough people to want more. 

Our first card is very Basic. But I want to point out some of the design points. This is between Flamestrike and Consecration. Its the sort of card every class has, a basic AoE. However, if you look closely at what the card does you'll not it is more Flamestrike, no face damage on the opponent and this is intentional. We want to remove our opponents minions, but we don't want to influence the health difference in hopes of maximizing that later off of different cards. So its not simply missing face damage simply to make it different than another classes AoE, it serves a purpose. 

And here we have one of those purposes. Pit Stop is one of our card draw spells but it also highlight our comeback mechanics. This is one of the more basic ideas, but I think that's certainly not a bad thing. It also is one of our other Draft Enablers, though its not as certain as most of the rest of them. 

Lastly we have one of our Draft beneficiaries. Drafting is a big deal, and there will be a small group of cards that gain benefits from Drafting them all the way to 0 mana. 

 

Thanks for any and all replies.

 

 

 Like another user mentioned, your Draft Mechanic could allow a Super Miracle situation where you play through nearly your entire deck. My suggestion would be to have Draft only apply to Minions or only apply to Spells or only apply to cards in your hand when the draft card is played. Applying to all cards played in a turn seems easy to abuse. Limiting the number of spells in your class would be key, but as we've seen from Hunter and Paladin lately, minion heavy classes do not seem to play well.

 Draft only affects card currently in your hand, just like Emperor Thaurissan. So it doesn't somehow make your deck free, just reduces what's in your hand at the time. And if you're stocking up on Chase cards that's just real card that can't fit into your hand.

The problem I see with Chase being a card is cards like Gatzetzan Auctioneer as imagine this Turn 6 with coin and you have 3 drafts. Auctioneer coin draft draft draft draft and likely something else as you now have a 3 mana discount. Turns like that are massive and unlike other classes you have unlimited turn like that for example Rogue has a similar turn with preps but he cna only do it once.

The reason Im saying this is because I had the same problem but i had to try find a compromise aka it was too broken and i think so is yours.

The way I made mine is by making it used once a turn to remove the broken effect that wasnt even close to as broken as yours with Auctionner. Now the only problem would be Giant and Twighlight Drake but that is not a problem asfor me if I use my Backhand Trick I dont lose a card so the Giant and Drake would cost the same when i use it.

So as someone told me before you should add a drawback to your effect and since my solution doesnt work with your example card I suggest you can add some sort of drawback or maybe make it an alternating HeroPower? like Changing Gears ---> Chase for one turn.

PS: IF You want to see my full concept click the link below.

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The problem I see with Chase being a card is cards like Gatzetzan Auctioneer as imagine this Turn 6 with coin and you have 3 drafts. Auctioneer coin draft draft draft draft and likely something else as you now have a 3 mana discount. Turns like that are massive and unlike other classes you have unlimited turn like that for example Rogue has a similar turn with preps but he cna only do it once.

The reason Im saying this is because I had the same problem but i had to try find a compromise aka it was too broken and i think so is yours.

The way I made mine is by making it used once a turn to remove the broken effect that wasnt even close to as broken as yours with Auctionner. Now the only problem would be Giant and Twighlight Drake but that is not a problem asfor me if I use my Backhand Trick I dont lose a card so the Giant and Drake would cost the same when i use it.

So as someone told me before you should add a drawback to your effect and since my solution doesnt work with your example card I suggest you can add some sort of drawback or maybe make it an alternating HeroPower? like Changing Gears ---> Chase for one turn.

PS: IF You want to see my full concept click the link below.