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Quote from WhatAChamp >>

Not true! I (and others) have been complaining about the lack of armor removal tech as control warrior shuts down every type of OTK deck through stacking armor. Funny thing is, we always got negative responses from people in the community (specifically control warriors), saying that it was unfair to target one sepcific class/archetype with a tech card mostly because they hate OTK decks.

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Quote from Asylum_Rhapsody >>

I don't know, the reason I usually see folks having a negative reaction to a lot of proposed anti-Armor tech is because most of it is way overdone. Like, think of if people proposed a neutral 3-cost 3/3 minion with "Battlecry: Destroy all enemy Secrets, and deal 5 damage to the enemy hero for each one destroyed". That's way too crazy hard a counter, and that's how too many people propose anti-Armor tech.

That's interesting, as I've had many good discussions with reasonable posters about a "destroy all armor" effect attached to a minion with undesirable stats as the  effect is even more useful now with new druid armor gain popularity and Kazakus. More than I see overwhelming counter cards, I see underwhelming ones like "this minion ignores armor" or "remove 5 armor". What OTK decks want is something that removes ALL armor since just another 5 damage isn't worth it. You can make the card next to useless in every other matchup as long as it has that effect attached.

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"Destroy all armor" is ridiculously powerful. That's exactly the kind of way too crazy hard a counter that I was talking about.

And I would argue that there's absolutely no point in running an armor removal tech card unless it removes all the armor as it is a complete liability in every other matchup and only helpful in one. OTK decks don't care about stats on the minion or the cost. They don't even care about "remove 10 armor" as the majority of the time, CW has 20-25 armor on them by the time they OTK. My point is there's only one text that would be an actual tech card that they would use, which is remove all armor, as any other tech effect would be useless.

I personally think a fully remove armor card is a bit too crazy but only slightly. A card that reads "Battlecry: If you used your hero power this turn set your opponents health to 25 and armor to 0" would be awesome. It could even have reasonable stats like 5 mana 5/5. The hero power part is so you can play it when you don't want the effect. The problem with removing all armor is that if the warrior is behind and finally starts to stabilize you could set them back to like 3 health and kill them straight away that's rather dumb. This way it gives OTK decks an option to prevent the CW from going above full health but it still gives the warrior the chance to stabilize with armor while almost dead. 

My personal thoughts is that counters should be really really good vs decks but not make you instantly win vs them. EG, mind control tech vs zoo, eater of secrets vs secret hunter and so on. Really good but don't counter hard enough to push the deck out of the meta even when they get used a lot.

I do think I went a bit soft on my jade counter but there is a very fine line between giving a deck that's weak vs an archetype a chance of winning and making a counter so strong it kicks a deck or archetype out of the meta completely. I am with Asylum that decks should be weak vs some other decks but a card that increases your winrate in a bad matchup from like 25% to 35% I think is fine at the cost of 1 or 2% winrate vs other decks. That's what I was aiming for with my card.

Quote from finniggann >>

you say that jade killed control, or a whole archetype as you put it, then why is renolock good and also renopriest, and why does jade druid suck completely. this card counters bad decks, yeah sure jade druid pops up on low ladder all the time, but almost nobody gets far in legend if they can even get there with jade druid. the card also has troubles with the weird way hearthstone mechanics work meaning this card does not, but if it did it would be a cool tech card, that would never see play.