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can you explain how my entry, which had 39 Votes, didn't make it into the finals?

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can you explain how my entry, which had 39 Votes, didn't make it into the finals?

Without being certain, I would presume it's the "page 1"-effect. Usually a lot of votes on page 1, and your submission didn't reach a score that would qualify you to the finals. I'm not saying a mistake couldn't have happened, but the submissions on page 1 usually have A LOT of votes compared to the rest.

EDIT: Thank you for a Final spot :)

It's just confusing because other submissions share the same page and still made it like 'Staff of Purification' and 'Demonic Sister'. There are also submissions, that aren't clever or unique like 'Conjurer of Darkness', who just equips a Mindblast on a stick, but still got into the finals. I don't mean to bash these submissions, but rather clear up how they got into the finals while mine did not.

How do we determine the qualifying finalists? First, we'll pull up-vote data from each submission using the formula detailed below:

(ab) / (c) = x

Where,
a = The total number of submissions on the same page as the submission.
b = The total number of up-votes that the submission received.
c = The total number of up-votes on the same page as the submission.
x = The submission's final score.

The formula basically measures which cards stood out the most, with the necessary assumption that each page is about equal in overall submission quality. It will be the entries that receive the highest final scores that move on to the Final Phase.

The bottom line is that, although entries on the earlier pages of the Submission Topic are much more visible and thus receive many more up-votes than entries on later pages, you don't actually have to rush to get your entry in as soon as possible because the up-votes end up being weighted by what page your entry ends up on in order to determine its final score.

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can you explain how my entry, which had 39 Votes, didn't make it into the finals?

Without being certain, I would presume it's the "page 1"-effect. Usually a lot of votes on page 1, and your submission didn't reach a score that would qualify you to the finals. I'm not saying a mistake couldn't have happened, but the submissions on page 1 usually have A LOT of votes compared to the rest.

EDIT: Thank you for a Final spot :)

It's just confusing because other submissions share the same page and still made it like 'Staff of Purification' and 'Demonic Sister'. There are also submissions, that aren't clever or unique like 'Conjurer of Darkness', who just equips a Mindblast on a stick, but still got into the finals. I don't mean to bash these submissions, but rather clear up how they got into the finals while mine did not.

There should be a clear set of rules as to how a submission makes it into the finals, like number of votes, what would count as a valid entry based on the competition and whether or not you are allowed to change something afterwards like changing of manacost etc.

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so with that rule, if a page has 2 valid submissions and 10 invalid ones, then the 2 valid submissions still have to win against the other invalid submissions to even make it into the finals? and if an invalid submission wins the page, then it makes it into the finals? please clarify.

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can you explain how my entry, which had 39 Votes, didn't make it into the finals?

Without being certain, I would presume it's the "page 1"-effect. Usually a lot of votes on page 1, and your submission didn't reach a score that would qualify you to the finals. I'm not saying a mistake couldn't have happened, but the submissions on page 1 usually have A LOT of votes compared to the rest.

EDIT: Thank you for a Final spot :)

It's just confusing because other submissions share the same page and still made it like 'Staff of Purification' and 'Demonic Sister'. There are also submissions, that aren't clever or unique like 'Conjurer of Darkness', who just equips a Mindblast on a stick, but still got into the finals. I don't mean to bash these submissions, but rather clear up how they got into the finals while mine did not.

There should be a clear set of rules as to how a submission makes it into the finals, like number of votes, what would count as a valid entry based on the competition and whether or not you are allowed to change something afterwards like changing of manacost etc.

Really strong entries this week imo.  There are a lot of cards that, if they were real, would be balanced, playable, fun, and flavorful.  Good job to all the finalists.  

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I only got into creating custom cards recently and seeing how much lame garbage gets posted in these combetitions I thought, that I had a good chance at doing well. I also have to learn how these competitions really work since it's one thing to follow the rules, but another to find out when to post, what to post and how much pandering you have to do. I definitely learned never to post on the first page, but rather wait a few days.

It also doesn't help that no examples are given, to determine how 'boring' your entry can be as seen with 'Conjurer of Darkness', which I personally would have disqualified, but thats just my opinion. So no, I'm not salty, but rather suprised as to what made it into the finals and what I can make different next time.

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I only got into creating custom cards recently and seeing how much lame garbage gets posted in these combetitions I thought, that I had a good chance at doing well. I also have to learn how these competitions really work since it's one thing to follow the rules, but another to find out when to post, what to post and how much pandering you have to do. I definitely learned never to post on the first page, but rather wait a few days.

It also doesn't help that no examples are given, to determine how 'boring' your entry can be as seen with 'Conjurer of Darkness', which I personally would have disqualified, but thats just my opinion. So no, I'm not salty, but rather suprised as to what made it into the finals and what I can make different next time.

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"One of the most interesting cards in the new adventure is Medivh.  He gives us the game’s first neutral weapon, and that opens up a world of card design possibilities.  Think outside the box here- traditional "attack to turn your HP into efficient removal" weapons were restricted to certain classes for a reason, so either think of good nontraditional ways to use the weapon slot for new or underused mechanics (like Medivh, the Guardian), or come up with a clever gameplay justification for a traditional weapon (a good example would be Spirit Claws if Shaman weren't a weapon class already)." - RandomScribbles

This is a direct quote from this weeks competition specific restrictions, which clearly states that weapons like the one you get from 'Conjurer of Darkness' should not count, since they don't follow this restriction and give no reason as to why it can be seen as valid. If we can ignore these restrictions then please let me know.

I don't want 'Conjurer of Darkness' to be disqualified, because he made it into the finals and it would be unfair for the person who submitted it, based on my opinion. I clearly stated it as my opinion and I don't have anything to say what makes it either, so where is the harm in having that opinion?

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"One of the most interesting cards in the new adventure is Medivh.  He gives us the game’s first neutral weapon, and that opens up a world of card design possibilities.  Think outside the box here- traditional "attack to turn your HP into efficient removal" weapons were restricted to certain classes for a reason, so either think of good nontraditional ways to use the weapon slot for new or underused mechanics (like Medivh, the Guardian), or come up with a clever gameplay justification for a traditional weapon (a good example would be Spirit Claws if Shaman weren't a weapon class already)." - RandomScribbles

This is a direct quote from this weeks competition specific restrictions, which clearly states that weapons like the one you get from 'Conjurer of Darkness' should not count, since they don't follow this restriction and give no reason as to why it can be seen as valid. If we can ignore these restrictions then please let me know.

I don't want 'Conjurer of Darkness' to be disqualified, because he made it into the finals and it would be unfair for the person who submitted it, based on my opinion. I clearly stated it as my opinion and I don't have anything to say what makes it either, so where is the harm in having that opinion?

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can you explain how my entry, which had 39 Votes, didn't make it into the finals?

Without being certain, I would presume it's the "page 1"-effect. Usually a lot of votes on page 1, and your submission didn't reach a score that would qualify you to the finals. I'm not saying a mistake couldn't have happened, but the submissions on page 1 usually have A LOT of votes compared to the rest.

EDIT: Thank you for a Final spot :)

It's just confusing because other submissions share the same page and still made it like 'Staff of Purification' and 'Demonic Sister'. There are also submissions, that aren't clever or unique like 'Conjurer of Darkness', who just equips a Mindblast on a stick, but still got into the finals. I don't mean to bash these submissions, but rather clear up how they got into the finals while mine did not.

There should be a clear set of rules as to how a submission makes it into the finals, like number of votes, what would count as a valid entry based on the competition and whether or not you are allowed to change something afterwards like changing of manacost etc.

 Being balanced is often enough to push a card into the finals.  Not always, obviously, but a simple card is sometimes the best one (this is, I believe, one reason why I won last week...).  As for why yours didn't make it?  Dunno (I really liked it), but I suspect that it's due to the OPness of the Grimoires- for the Grimoire of Service, summoning 3 Voidwalkers with a delay would be balanced...  But a Imp Gang Boss?  A Doomguard?  2, even?  It just got too big, too quickly.  And the Grimoire of Sacrifice could act as an uncounterable Malygos if played right...

That said, I think yours was very cool, and I'm sad to see that it didn't make it.  However, it is the community that decides which concepts are good enough, not the mods, nor you or I- acting salty (regardless of if you actually are or not) won't help.

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Whew, I made it. That's a happy surprise. I didn't think my card was anything too special.

And on topic of "How to succeed at this competition" Keeping card text (generally 4 lines max) and the number of tokes (1-2 max) to a minimum is certainly important. It's a question of attention span, and besides, Hearthstone isn't supposted to be Yugioh.

One piece of additional advice I can give is to make your card thematically strong and coherent. Hippogryph Rider from season 3 week 19 is a prime example of this because it tells a little story. The card comes down and the rider shoots an arrow. When the hippogryph dies, the archer on the back is still alive and jumps back into your hand. Then the archer is played and shoots another arrow. The card is also a refrence to a Warcraft 3 unit. Name, art and effect all come together in this card.

I've done something similar this week with my card. Abominations in wow are generally wild, uncontrollable creatures with wide swings. So, I gave it the "Cleave" ability. When it dies, it drops its cleaver and you pick it up instead. You can then swing just like the abomination did (Notice how the cleaver and the abomination have the same amount of attack).

 

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Huh, and I thought it was a good move to have my card and its tokens on the one picture.

Granted, I never thought i'd get through to the finals (seriously how did that happen?) but looking at it here, you can't even read the text on the cards!

 I feel like such an idiot right now.

Shadow Sprite and Lord Victor Nefarius got my vote, they are VERY interesting cards, If I had to vote just 1, it would be hard, but I would choose Nefarius

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Shadow Sprite and Lord Victor Nefarius got my vote, they are VERY interesting cards, If I had to vote just 1, it would be hard, but I would choose Nefarius

You got the name of my card wrong, in a more...meme way. I am having mixed feeling...

Anyway, thanks for all who voted for my card. I wanted to design a self-silence effect that actually works and promote a new deck type, tying it to a weapon that also help ping minions is a little bonus.

Wailing Soul Druid was once a thing, so self-silence obviously can work, it just need the right card for it.