Definitely no. He will stay in all my midrange and control decks at least. I can't imagine another card who makes the same work than does the fisherman.
Mana Tide Totem is probably better. 1 more mana, 1 less HP, but it gets a full extra draw right off the bat now. Pagel is -0.5 draws than before. Pagel has gone from a near automatic card to situational (early/mid board control decks).
You can get 1600 back for him, so... he is a wildcard, you can get any legendary you want, I think there are a good 8+ legendaries which are better than him now, so i guess the question is...what do you not have? Cairne/Bloodmage/Ragnaros/Leeroy are way way better than him now.
Mana Tide Totem is probably better. 1 more mana, 1 less HP, but it gets a full extra draw right off the bat now. Pagel is -0.5 draws than before. Pagel has gone from a near automatic card to situational (early/mid board control decks).
You can get 1600 back for him, so... he is a wildcard, you can get any legendary you want, I think there are a good 8+ legendaries which are better than him now, so i guess the question is...what do you not have? Cairne/Bloodmage/Ragnaros/Leeroy are way way better than him now.
Cairne/Bloodmage/Ragnaros/Leeroy are very good cards but they r not comparable with pagle.
So Pagle or Blood Mage for miracle rogue now? What you think?
I got both and I run neither in Miracle Rogue. But then, I don't like Kolento Miracle Rogue. I use my own variation.
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they are comparable. They are both cards, which you consider putting into your deck. Cairne and bloodmage are OP and should be in nearly 100% of decks, and are probably more valuable in 100% of decks. Ragnaros should be in any non rush deck...but are you really gonna use nat pagel in a rush deck? I mean, I guess Leeroy is more situational, but he is incredibly strong, so its hard to imagine putting Nat Pagel into any deck over Leeroy.
Mana Tide Totem is probably better. 1 more mana, 1 less HP, but it gets a full extra draw right off the bat now. Pagel is -0.5 draws than before. Pagel has gone from a near automatic card to situational (early/mid board control decks).
You can get 1600 back for him, so... he is a wildcard, you can get any legendary you want, I think there are a good 8+ legendaries which are better than him now, so i guess the question is...what do you not have? Cairne/Bloodmage/Ragnaros/Leeroy are way way better than him now.
@ tomarkthegreat - about using pagle in a rush deck, pre-nerf I actually stuck him in my murlock warlock deck and it was actually pretty legit. Then again the few games i played with that deck I got him opening hand and he drew 3 straight cards which was huge so it could be viable. I'm not sure how so much any more.
I'll keep him since I have most other Legendaries. I probably won't use him for serious play any longer though. Using him will now have a much stronger chance of him not drawing anything and being no better than shield bearer. Loot hoarder will probably replace him in decks that I don't already have Bloodmage in.
Is it worth keeping pagle now that he got a bit of a nerf, obviously Tink is a no brainer, but pagle is still good imo. Any thoughts???
Absolutely. All they did to him was make him draw when your turn starts SO your opponent has more time to get rid of him, but if you can protect him.. hes still going to be there for 4+ turns. Tink as you said, is now garbage, and thats putting it nicely, hes unplayable now.
Is it worth keeping pagle now that he got a bit of a nerf, obviously Tink is a no brainer, but pagle is still good imo. Any thoughts???
Absolutely. All they did to him was make him draw when your turn starts SO your opponent has more time to get rid of him, but if you can protect him.. hes still going to be there for 4+ turns. Tink as you said, is now garbage, and thats putting it nicely, hes unplayable now.
Honestly, if your Pagle is sitting out there for 4+ turns and your opponent is doing nothing about it... it's probably your game to win. If he draws 2 it's well played right there. =/
Is it worth keeping pagle now that he got a bit of a nerf, obviously Tink is a no brainer, but pagle is still good imo. Any thoughts???
Absolutely. All they did to him was make him draw when your turn starts SO your opponent has more time to get rid of him, but if you can protect him.. hes still going to be there for 4+ turns. Tink as you said, is now garbage, and thats putting it nicely, hes unplayable now.
Honestly, if your Pagle is sitting out there for 4+ turns and your opponent is doing nothing about it... it's probably your game to win. If he draws 2 it's well played right there. =/
Ive seen games where pagle sits on the feild for like 6 turns or more. Some times you just can't deal with him, and the whole time hes just gaining you so much advantage. It's why even after the "Nerf" I still think hes perfectly playable, and perfectly viable.
Too be completely honest i can't really find a deck I enjoy atm. I normally play shaman or druid tokens, but i'm just tired of them. got to rank 5 last season with druid tokens and just haven't been feeling the same about it this season. I enjoy shaman more than any other deck but unfortunately i feel that in the current meta it doesn't have a great build to compete with all the nonsense flavors of warlock and hunter.
Is it worth keeping pagle now that he got a bit of a nerf, obviously Tink is a no brainer, but pagle is still good imo. Any thoughts???
Definitely no. He will stay in all my midrange and control decks at least. I can't imagine another card who makes the same work than does the fisherman.
Agreed.
Mana Tide Totem is probably better. 1 more mana, 1 less HP, but it gets a full extra draw right off the bat now. Pagel is -0.5 draws than before. Pagel has gone from a near automatic card to situational (early/mid board control decks).
You can get 1600 back for him, so... he is a wildcard, you can get any legendary you want, I think there are a good 8+ legendaries which are better than him now, so i guess the question is...what do you not have? Cairne/Bloodmage/Ragnaros/Leeroy are way way better than him now.
So Pagle or Blood Mage for miracle rogue now? What you think?
Cairne/Bloodmage/Ragnaros/Leeroy are very good cards but they r not comparable with pagle.
I got both and I run neither in Miracle Rogue. But then, I don't like Kolento Miracle Rogue. I use my own variation.
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If you find my posts to be rude, objectionable, or whatever, well, I got tired of writing polite TL; DR (Too Long, Didn't Read) posts at crybaby whiners. So now I just make it short and nasty.
If you find that funny, well and good. If you find that sad, that's even better.
they are comparable. They are both cards, which you consider putting into your deck. Cairne and bloodmage are OP and should be in nearly 100% of decks, and are probably more valuable in 100% of decks. Ragnaros should be in any non rush deck...but are you really gonna use nat pagel in a rush deck? I mean, I guess Leeroy is more situational, but he is incredibly strong, so its hard to imagine putting Nat Pagel into any deck over Leeroy.
You realise Mana Tide is only used by Shaman?
@ tomarkthegreat - about using pagle in a rush deck, pre-nerf I actually stuck him in my murlock warlock deck and it was actually pretty legit. Then again the few games i played with that deck I got him opening hand and he drew 3 straight cards which was huge so it could be viable. I'm not sure how so much any more.
Sometimes you have to risk it for the biscuit
I only have 3 legend, so yeah I am DEing my nat pagle, no questions about it
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I will still keep him in all of my decks. He isn't that bad.
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I'll keep him since I have most other Legendaries. I probably won't use him for serious play any longer though. Using him will now have a much stronger chance of him not drawing anything and being no better than shield bearer. Loot hoarder will probably replace him in decks that I don't already have Bloodmage in.
Absolutely. All they did to him was make him draw when your turn starts SO your opponent has more time to get rid of him, but if you can protect him.. hes still going to be there for 4+ turns. Tink as you said, is now garbage, and thats putting it nicely, hes unplayable now.
Honestly, if your Pagle is sitting out there for 4+ turns and your opponent is doing nothing about it... it's probably your game to win. If he draws 2 it's well played right there. =/
Ive seen games where pagle sits on the feild for like 6 turns or more. Some times you just can't deal with him, and the whole time hes just gaining you so much advantage. It's why even after the "Nerf" I still think hes perfectly playable, and perfectly viable.
Too be completely honest i can't really find a deck I enjoy atm. I normally play shaman or druid tokens, but i'm just tired of them. got to rank 5 last season with druid tokens and just haven't been feeling the same about it this season. I enjoy shaman more than any other deck but unfortunately i feel that in the current meta it doesn't have a great build to compete with all the nonsense flavors of warlock and hunter.
Dat hero power card draw o.o too strong.