Just little observation of some really not bad cards, sometimes even awesome themselves - however still not playable even in the most famous fun-decks, and of course - in ladder-decks. I want to discuss - why we have this situation, and can it be fixed somehow?
Clockwork Giant - even in existing mill-decks he has no place (I mean best versions of this decks). Hm, even in average match not against the most cancer-decks it's easy can be 5-6 mana (6-7 cards in opp's hand). I guess if cancer will be at least 10-20% less in ladder after TGT - we'll see this guy, of course, already! In heavy meta he even can do work of Fel River for new more solid mech-decks (sometimes little more expensive though).
Onyxia - can be so great for Druid and even Bloodlust Shaman, but too expensive for current meta - the same problem as with previous card. I see her in new heavy Druid deck with Aviana (maybe heavy Dragon Druid also - if it won't the same deck). She's just 2 mana more than OP-Boom and do pretty the same and even better for some reasons - make board it's not enough only AOE or only hard removal against!.. Maybe even some other classes will try her also?
Twisting Nether - ultimate AOE, never playable. Saw it in some Savjz's and P4wnyhof's last decks though - and... if I obviously dust it before (probably 2 times already), now I left 1 example for some reasons. Think it will be the thing soon.
Chromaggus - one of my the most favourites cards, can't find really good using for it still - and it's make me sad... New potential dragon decks give me some hopes;)
Foe Reaper 4000 - was as unplayble as almost Thermaplugg! But: Aviana and Varian, maybe even Fizzlebang - and it's not so slow already!.. Notice: in new expansion will be some new really pesky 6-hp-minions, and it can be awesome answer.
Gahz'rilla - can be some last resort in new more or less heavy Hunter with Eleccks. What do you think - can it be real? Combo-decks with Tundra Rhino/Thaurissan(Call Pet)/cheap activators - for turn10 OTK (12-24 damage)? If meta will become slower - who really knows!
Malorne - can he become king of the late? Will see, will see. At least in more viable in the nearest time mill-decks he will have some place, I guess.
Rend Blackhand - one of the key card in possible meta without cancer (almost without). The best tempo-removal for Ysera and other 'awkward' Legendary minions.
Stormwind Champion - (well, not only Legendary/Epics deserve more:D) one of the best arena-card, competely unplayable in ranked even in 'proper' decks... Paladin, Shaman, even Warlock - why, just why this dude so abandoned?.. Must to say in some my hobo-budget decks on Asia he makes some work and always surprises opponents - noone definetly play around it;)
Troggzor the Earthinator - the main problem of this card - you can't force your enemy to cast spells (and sometimes he even have no them in hand and almost have no in deck if he eg Zoo). Maybe if, say, Varian will throw it on board(especially empty) - it can becomes new card of Victory? Great protection against hard AOE after Varian enter!..
Anima Golem - yes, weak to BGH, but so many minions weak to BGH and still playable! The problem is weird card-text: we can avoid this drawback but mostly in awkward ways (give it taunt, spam the board, play minions with stealth - all this ways are weak and can be punished by, say, BK or AOE...). Maybe Dreadsteed will fix this, really not sure.
Argent Commander - really don't know where he can works well, but he so awesome anyway! Just: too expensive for aggro/tempo, too weak for CTRL/combo. Maybe his new young 3-mana brother will see some play?
Drakonid Crusher - really don't understand what wrong with it? 6 mana 6/6 - too 'meh', 9/9 - [annoing voice] BeGeeEich - and that's all?.. But: dragon-synergy, but Alexx-synergy, but super body if opp have no BGH and hard removal (shit happens - right? we can always 'to pull' those removals earlier)! I obviously will experiment with him in new dragon-decks!..
Frost Elemental - some time I tried 'Total Freezing Mage' and this card there(some midrange with Ice lances, Frost novas, Water Elementals). Or I played not really well, or deck was not really well - but I refused of this idea some how. And where you can imagine him, guys? (except of arena and dust, lol)
Gazlowe - not really hard to trigger his card-text, and even deck will be, yes, specific, but without 'weak cards' as someone afraid before (especially Warlock and Shaman). I crafted him (even over Toshley and Old Sneed's Shredder!) and - no regrets. So have a pretty lot experience of gameplay with this funny dude. The problem - fucking random, and well, must to confess - most of possible mechs are rubbish. And of course he have place only in, say, 'midrange' (even with elements of 'combo') mech-decks, that not really competitive if compare with aggro/tempo mechs...
Trade Prince Gallywix - the same problem as and with Troggzor. And Rogue even won't get personal Varian, but only'll get personal Thermoplugg-upgraded. What a joke?..
Dark Iron Skulker - next 'dead' Rogue's card. Even hard to imagine: in which meta he will see some play? But still great idea, Blizzs!
Darkscale Healer - should be Priest's card like 'by default'! Well it's more expensive Yeti, but still 5-hp (for Priest!) and HUGE effect for possible Priest's board and it will be even huger after new 4-mana class-card will release. I understand so: possible place usually take more viable Holy Nova and maybe Belchers also... But... at least try, I guess - it worth that! If I'll get this new biggest 4mana-Lightspawn x2 - I'll try and some crazy combo with this moderate but really usefull card;)
Druid of the Fang - it's simple: just more beast-synergy and so - more play for this tempo-card. Prepare your 'oldman-rifleman' x2, ladder, 7/7-snakes will come!)))
Floating Watcher - I played with this guys in my 'Injured Demon Lock' - with Moltens, Hellfires, Flame Imps, Dread Infernals - and it was really fresh deck with unpredictable for enemy synergy, but unfortunately - not too competitive. If these face-'geniuses' will calmed down a little - I'll try to play it again not only as fun-deck already.
Frostwolf Warlord - easy 5 mana 6/6 for proper decks, and if you want to protect from BGH(silence), say, Malganis - even can be 7/7+. Ppl prefer Sea Giant over - can't judge them. But as some possible replacement is he so bad?..
Spectral Knight - had some play in old-school Druid-decks. Now he disappeared... Why?
Spiteful Smith - Rogue, Paladin, Shaman and of course - Warrior, why not? Too slow? Maybe, but can give a tempo-charge, not expected trade... Can even work in couple with new useless 6-mana Warrior's epic( why it gives this 1 damage to all YOUR minion not as battlecry? just why, Blizzard?....).
Mass Dispel - saw 1 example of it in some rediculous decks, but still mostly unplayable. Maybe if it's often will be Ysera with Sylvana on board in the same time - will see more play? Maybe new Priest's 3/3 epic and needs to make it just cheaper (such a cards like this I mean - with too high manacost for normal value)?
Master of Disguise - weak stats for her effect. And main problem - can't give stealth to Malygos in the same turn)) Can anyone still offer some intersting possible combo with this lady?
Windspeaker (and Windfury, spell) - main reason not to play: usually you have no huge minion from previous turn on board - enemy kills it in 90% scenarios... But still can give some crazy combos with, say, Leeroy/Rockbiter or other charges at least.
Shadowform - with new inspire mechanic can be new meta, easy! It's far better to damage enemy on 2-3 than even heal own minions - mostly.
Imp Master - great card! I remeber had some play in ladder some time. Now she's gone. But still we can try it in some not too low-winrate fun-decks (with Hobgoblin or for Bloodlust/Savage Roar, or with both this options).
Lil' Exorcist - tried 1 example in Taunt Ramp Druid, and she was not so bad, sometimes even perfect against exactly that decks I need this 3-drop. Only reason I stoped use her - don't really like this boring deck-type))
Scarlet Crusader - old-school-star! I can remember at least Zoo and some Paladin's decks with her. I even use it 1-2 monthes ago in Oil Rogue (deck or Ryzen's, or someone else - don't remeber) - and she's not so bad there (but mostly as replace to Farseers or even Teachers if you see half a ladder of Patrons). So maybe she still can take some place in meta-decks?
Shattered Sun Cleric - great tempo-card, maybe not so good already. Can she find second life?
Misdirection - misdiREKTion, really one of the most trololo card)) Bad against cancer-decks, SUCH a good against heavy decks if only one minion on board and he don't expect Freezing or a fotriory Misdirection! 8 damage from some Molten (he except that he return to hand and just to put it again, or Snakes, or Explosive) to own face instead to enemy face - that's what I call pure VALUE! And even if eg 2 giants kill each other - is it so bad?
Rampage - powerfull buff, easy activated because of class specific. Just we have no extra-place in current decks, just have no place... Was played only in OTK Worgen Warrior, half a year ago. Hope for some experiments with this card in the future.
Crazed Alchemist - intersting card, just really hard to invent realiable usability for some deck. Maybe it will be ahead.
Echoing Ooze - part of my favourite 2-cards combo in the game: turn 6(5with coin) - Echoing Ooze + Blessing of King = 2 minions 5/6 for 6 mana only - value!... But can have some play only in Hobgoblin-decks that still fun-only.
Nerub'ar Weblord - can be annoing tempo-breaker in meta with really lot of battlecries. But don't works well without Hobgoblin (too weak) and decks with Hobgoblin too specific...
Steamwheedle Sniper - good attempt to divert Huntards from the face, Blizzard! At least you tried.
That's all. Maybe you say here some your variants of cards that deserve more, guys?
Sadly Twisting Nether will never ever ever be a thing, due to deathrattle minions, mby if it was "10 mana silence and destroy all minions", it could be a thing, but probably not. In its current form it will never see play in any consistent deck.
Chromaggus - one of my the most favourites cards, can't find really good using for it still - and it's make me sad... New potential dragon decks give me some hopes;)
100% agree. It's so powerful ! Good combo with Ancestral Knowledge on turn 10. If this dude is not removed quickly, it's a really powerful tool to have a card advantage.
Chromaggus - one of my the most favourites cards, can't find really good using for it still - and it's make me sad... New potential dragon decks give me some hopes;)
100% agree. It's so powerful ! Good combo with Ancestral Knowledge on turn 10. If this dude is not removed quickly, it's a really powerful tool to have a card advantage.
Chromaggus - one of my the most favourites cards, can't find really good using for it still - and it's make me sad... New potential dragon decks give me some hopes;)
100% agree. It's so powerful ! Good combo with Ancestral Knowledge on turn 10. If this dude is not removed quickly, it's a really powerful tool to have a card advantage.
Blood Knight and most other neutral epics. Thing is that these (as well as a lot of the cards you mentioned like Lil' Exorcist, Dark Iron Skulker and Rend Blackhand) are tech cards dependent on the meta, as well as their own classes and their decks. I feel like the reason Skulker isn't used is not because he's bad, but because he doesn't fit in any rogue decks...
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Just little observation of some really not bad cards, sometimes even awesome themselves - however still not playable even in the most famous fun-decks, and of course - in ladder-decks. I want to discuss - why we have this situation, and can it be fixed somehow?
Clockwork Giant - even in existing mill-decks he has no place (I mean best versions of this decks). Hm, even in average match not against the most cancer-decks it's easy can be 5-6 mana (6-7 cards in opp's hand). I guess if cancer will be at least 10-20% less in ladder after TGT - we'll see this guy, of course, already! In heavy meta he even can do work of Fel River for new more solid mech-decks (sometimes little more expensive though).
Onyxia - can be so great for Druid and even Bloodlust Shaman, but too expensive for current meta - the same problem as with previous card. I see her in new heavy Druid deck with Aviana (maybe heavy Dragon Druid also - if it won't the same deck). She's just 2 mana more than OP-Boom and do pretty the same and even better for some reasons - make board it's not enough only AOE or only hard removal against!.. Maybe even some other classes will try her also?
Twisting Nether - ultimate AOE, never playable. Saw it in some Savjz's and P4wnyhof's last decks though - and... if I obviously dust it before (probably 2 times already), now I left 1 example for some reasons. Think it will be the thing soon.
Chromaggus - one of my the most favourites cards, can't find really good using for it still - and it's make me sad... New potential dragon decks give me some hopes;)
Foe Reaper 4000 - was as unplayble as almost Thermaplugg! But: Aviana and Varian, maybe even Fizzlebang - and it's not so slow already!.. Notice: in new expansion will be some new really pesky 6-hp-minions, and it can be awesome answer.
Gahz'rilla - can be some last resort in new more or less heavy Hunter with Eleccks. What do you think - can it be real? Combo-decks with Tundra Rhino/Thaurissan(Call Pet)/cheap activators - for turn10 OTK (12-24 damage)? If meta will become slower - who really knows!
Malorne - can he become king of the late? Will see, will see. At least in more viable in the nearest time mill-decks he will have some place, I guess.
Rend Blackhand - one of the key card in possible meta without cancer (almost without). The best tempo-removal for Ysera and other 'awkward' Legendary minions.
Stormwind Champion - (well, not only Legendary/Epics deserve more:D) one of the best arena-card, competely unplayable in ranked even in 'proper' decks... Paladin, Shaman, even Warlock - why, just why this dude so abandoned?.. Must to say in some my hobo-budget decks on Asia he makes some work and always surprises opponents - noone definetly play around it;)
Troggzor the Earthinator - the main problem of this card - you can't force your enemy to cast spells (and sometimes he even have no them in hand and almost have no in deck if he eg Zoo). Maybe if, say, Varian will throw it on board(especially empty) - it can becomes new card of Victory? Great protection against hard AOE after Varian enter!..
Anima Golem - yes, weak to BGH, but so many minions weak to BGH and still playable! The problem is weird card-text: we can avoid this drawback but mostly in awkward ways (give it taunt, spam the board, play minions with stealth - all this ways are weak and can be punished by, say, BK or AOE...). Maybe Dreadsteed will fix this, really not sure.
Argent Commander - really don't know where he can works well, but he so awesome anyway! Just: too expensive for aggro/tempo, too weak for CTRL/combo. Maybe his new young 3-mana brother will see some play?
Drakonid Crusher - really don't understand what wrong with it? 6 mana 6/6 - too 'meh', 9/9 - [annoing voice] BeGeeEich - and that's all?.. But: dragon-synergy, but Alexx-synergy, but super body if opp have no BGH and hard removal (shit happens - right? we can always 'to pull' those removals earlier)! I obviously will experiment with him in new dragon-decks!..
Frost Elemental - some time I tried 'Total Freezing Mage' and this card there(some midrange with Ice lances, Frost novas, Water Elementals). Or I played not really well, or deck was not really well - but I refused of this idea some how. And where you can imagine him, guys? (except of arena and dust, lol)
Gazlowe - not really hard to trigger his card-text, and even deck will be, yes, specific, but without 'weak cards' as someone afraid before (especially Warlock and Shaman). I crafted him (even over Toshley and Old Sneed's Shredder!) and - no regrets. So have a pretty lot experience of gameplay with this funny dude. The problem - fucking random, and well, must to confess - most of possible mechs are rubbish. And of course he have place only in, say, 'midrange' (even with elements of 'combo') mech-decks, that not really competitive if compare with aggro/tempo mechs...
Trade Prince Gallywix - the same problem as and with Troggzor. And Rogue even won't get personal Varian, but only'll get personal Thermoplugg-upgraded. What a joke?..
Dark Iron Skulker - next 'dead' Rogue's card. Even hard to imagine: in which meta he will see some play? But still great idea, Blizzs!
Darkscale Healer - should be Priest's card like 'by default'! Well it's more expensive Yeti, but still 5-hp (for Priest!) and HUGE effect for possible Priest's board and it will be even huger after new 4-mana class-card will release. I understand so: possible place usually take more viable Holy Nova and maybe Belchers also... But... at least try, I guess - it worth that! If I'll get this new biggest 4mana-Lightspawn x2 - I'll try and some crazy combo with this moderate but really usefull card;)
Druid of the Fang - it's simple: just more beast-synergy and so - more play for this tempo-card. Prepare your 'oldman-rifleman' x2, ladder, 7/7-snakes will come!)))
Floating Watcher - I played with this guys in my 'Injured Demon Lock' - with Moltens, Hellfires, Flame Imps, Dread Infernals - and it was really fresh deck with unpredictable for enemy synergy, but unfortunately - not too competitive. If these face-'geniuses' will calmed down a little - I'll try to play it again not only as fun-deck already.
Frostwolf Warlord - easy 5 mana 6/6 for proper decks, and if you want to protect from BGH(silence), say, Malganis - even can be 7/7+. Ppl prefer Sea Giant over - can't judge them. But as some possible replacement is he so bad?..
Spectral Knight - had some play in old-school Druid-decks. Now he disappeared... Why?
Spiteful Smith - Rogue, Paladin, Shaman and of course - Warrior, why not? Too slow? Maybe, but can give a tempo-charge, not expected trade... Can even work in couple with new useless 6-mana Warrior's epic( why it gives this 1 damage to all YOUR minion not as battlecry? just why, Blizzard?....).
Mass Dispel - saw 1 example of it in some rediculous decks, but still mostly unplayable. Maybe if it's often will be Ysera with Sylvana on board in the same time - will see more play? Maybe new Priest's 3/3 epic and needs to make it just cheaper (such a cards like this I mean - with too high manacost for normal value)?
Master of Disguise - weak stats for her effect. And main problem - can't give stealth to Malygos in the same turn)) Can anyone still offer some intersting possible combo with this lady?
Windspeaker (and Windfury, spell) - main reason not to play: usually you have no huge minion from previous turn on board - enemy kills it in 90% scenarios... But still can give some crazy combos with, say, Leeroy/Rockbiter or other charges at least.
Shadowform - with new inspire mechanic can be new meta, easy! It's far better to damage enemy on 2-3 than even heal own minions - mostly.
Imp Master - great card! I remeber had some play in ladder some time. Now she's gone. But still we can try it in some not too low-winrate fun-decks (with Hobgoblin or for Bloodlust/Savage Roar, or with both this options).
Lil' Exorcist - tried 1 example in Taunt Ramp Druid, and she was not so bad, sometimes even perfect against exactly that decks I need this 3-drop. Only reason I stoped use her - don't really like this boring deck-type))
Scarlet Crusader - old-school-star! I can remember at least Zoo and some Paladin's decks with her. I even use it 1-2 monthes ago in Oil Rogue (deck or Ryzen's, or someone else - don't remeber) - and she's not so bad there (but mostly as replace to Farseers or even Teachers if you see half a ladder of Patrons). So maybe she still can take some place in meta-decks?
Shattered Sun Cleric - great tempo-card, maybe not so good already. Can she find second life?
Misdirection - misdiREKTion, really one of the most trololo card)) Bad against cancer-decks, SUCH a good against heavy decks if only one minion on board and he don't expect Freezing or a fotriory Misdirection! 8 damage from some Molten (he except that he return to hand and just to put it again, or Snakes, or Explosive) to own face instead to enemy face - that's what I call pure VALUE! And even if eg 2 giants kill each other - is it so bad?
Rampage - powerfull buff, easy activated because of class specific. Just we have no extra-place in current decks, just have no place... Was played only in OTK Worgen Warrior, half a year ago. Hope for some experiments with this card in the future.
Crazed Alchemist - intersting card, just really hard to invent realiable usability for some deck. Maybe it will be ahead.
Echoing Ooze - part of my favourite 2-cards combo in the game: turn 6(5with coin) - Echoing Ooze + Blessing of King = 2 minions 5/6 for 6 mana only - value!... But can have some play only in Hobgoblin-decks that still fun-only.
Nerub'ar Weblord - can be annoing tempo-breaker in meta with really lot of battlecries. But don't works well without Hobgoblin (too weak) and decks with Hobgoblin too specific...
Steamwheedle Sniper - good attempt to divert Huntards from the face, Blizzard! At least you tried.
That's all. Maybe you say here some your variants of cards that deserve more, guys?
Sadly Twisting Nether will never ever ever be a thing, due to deathrattle minions, mby if it was "10 mana silence and destroy all minions", it could be a thing, but probably not. In its current form it will never see play in any consistent deck.
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100% agree. It's so powerful ! Good combo with Ancestral Knowledge on turn 10. If this dude is not removed quickly, it's a really powerful tool to have a card advantage.
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turn 6? turn 4 yolo.... i have never seen face hunter trade until that moment......
nope, i yoloed and turn 5 far sight, it was a sad sad day for that face deck.....
actually if you turn 3 far sight into ancestral's call, you can call chronmaggus turn 4 and then ancestral knowledge
Patient Assassin - Could actually be alright in warrior with Warsong (if they didn't have Execute too...)
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Blood Knight and most other neutral epics. Thing is that these (as well as a lot of the cards you mentioned like Lil' Exorcist, Dark Iron Skulker and Rend Blackhand) are tech cards dependent on the meta, as well as their own classes and their decks. I feel like the reason Skulker isn't used is not because he's bad, but because he doesn't fit in any rogue decks...
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