Well, a scenario where my opponent plays Tirion or Ysera, i play Rend Blackhand and he uses Big Game Hunter to kill my Rend is a pretty good one. Control decks can use him. It's not the worst legendary in the game. It's not that bad of a card. In a dragon oriented meta (which i don't see happening) it will be actually very good. In the "face" meta, not so much. I really wish rush decks would stop working.
Which is another argument in favor of dragon priest, which has 4 chows to drop instead of 2.
BGH can kill 21 legendaries (not counting tokens, enraged Grom, pumped-up Bolvar, or extra-headed Gahz'rilla). By my count, there are 65 in total right now (soon to be 67 with Chromaggus and Nefarian).
Of course, most of them aren't played. Of the legendaries that are actually used (and I'm being very generous here, including some fringe cards and dragons that might see more play post-BRM), BGH kills ten (sometimes twelve): Deathwing, Alexstrasza, Mal’Ganis, Onyxia, Ragnaros, Baron Geddon, Dr. Boom, Neptulon, Velen, and Rend himself. Plus Grom if he's enraged or VanCleef if he gets really huge.
However, Grom and Velen usually only come down as a last-turn win condition, Geddon is a fringe card in only one deck, Neptulon is also extremely unusual, nobody plays VanCleef as an 8/8, and I sort of doubt Deathwing is actually going to see play. So really that's six cards: Alex, Mal'Ganis (warlock only), Ony (if she gets played), Rag, Dr. Boom, and Rend (if he gets played).
Rend kills another twenty: Cenarius, Jaraxxus, Malygos, Ysera, Al’Akir, Foe Reaper 4000, Kel’Thuzad, Sneed’s, Tirion, Antonidas, Thaurissan, Hogger, Sylvanas, The Black Knight, Toshley, Harrison Jones, Loatheb, Vol’jin, Mukla, Thalnos (if you hate value). If you cut out the rarely played cards (Malygos, Foe Reaper, Hogger, Toshley, Mukla) and the one nobody would ever use Rend on (Thalnos), that's still fourteen targets, including basically all of the popular neutral legendaries that aren't Dr. Boom or Ragnaros.
In fact, look at the popular decks right now. Rend has at least two targets in each of them except face hunter (sometimes as many as six); BGH often has only one target (Dr. Boom) and sometimes has none. Obviously BGH isn't a completely dead card against face hunter like Rend is, and can go in any deck (whereas Rend is limited to dragons), but they certainly don't fill the same role.
Also, yeah, an 8/4 body isn't the best, but it's not easy for every class to deal with. Even if they do have an answer, you probably get a nice two-for-one. Kill a Loatheb, get Swiped? That's value. Kill Thaurissan, get Shadow Word: Deathed? Value!
a Rend killed my Ysera and i couldnt kill him the turn after cause most removals were gone. in another game he killed my loatheb and i had to swipe the turn after cause you know bgh will not always be in your hand. both the times ive encountered him he was a big pain in the ass way more annoying that bgh. cause if bgh kills your dr boom you can summon a minion and kill him easily with the boom bots of either when you cant kill him at all 4/2 is not a big threat. but a 8/4 ready to wreck your face for 8 needs an immediate answer. Rend is VERY underrated
Are you sure this does not work? I mean, it works for Sacrificial Pact and Lord Jaraxxus is a legendary card, so maybe...
sac pact targets DEMONS, but does not say minion in it. Rend targets legendary minions only
Jaraxxus is a legendary demon minion only if he is played in such a way his battle cry doesn;t go off (Voidcaller for instance) Jaraxxus is a Legendary Demon Hero if he is played normally. He loses the Minion qualification. Same with how you can't Shadow Bolt him, he no longer counts as a minion.
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"and the one nobody would ever use Rend on (Thalnos)" What about Sylvanas ? ^^
Haha, whoops. You're right! For some reason I was thinking her deathrattle would fizzle, but I looked it up, and she'll steal him if your board is otherwise empty. Not always a terrible play, but surely about as rare as dropping Rend on Thalnos.
a Rend killed my Ysera and i couldnt kill him the turn after cause most removals were gone. in another game he killed my loatheb and i had to swipe the turn after cause you know bgh will not always be in your hand. both the times ive encountered him he was a big pain in the ass way more annoying that bgh. cause if bgh kills your dr boom you can summon a minion and kill him easily with the boom bots of either when you cant kill him at all 4/2 is not a big threat. but a 8/4 ready to wreck your face for 8 needs an immediate answer. Rend is VERY underrated
You have faced a Rend that meets his 2 conditions, and sure he is a good card if that's the case... It's like saying Wailing Soul is a good card beacause when you have 2 Ancient Watcher out it can be great.
The problem with him is the other cases when you don't have a target or a dragon in hand.
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a Rend killed my Ysera and i couldnt kill him the turn after cause most removals were gone. in another game he killed my loatheb and i had to swipe the turn after cause you know bgh will not always be in your hand. both the times ive encountered him he was a big pain in the ass way more annoying that bgh. cause if bgh kills your dr boom you can summon a minion and kill him easily with the boom bots of either when you cant kill him at all 4/2 is not a big threat. but a 8/4 ready to wreck your face for 8 needs an immediate answer. Rend is VERY underrated
You have faced a Rend that meets his 2 conditions, and sure he is a good card if that's the case... It's like saying Wailing Soul is a good card beacause when you have 2 Ancient Watcher out it can be great.
The problem with him is the other cases when you don't have a target or a dragon in hand.
i suppose if you play like 10 dragons you will have a dragon in hand since youre playing a dragon deck..... and about the opponent having a legendary everyone is playing loatheb emperor boom and company. if i had a dragon deck i would definately play Rend
If he didn't had the "if you are holding a dragon" he woyld see play buthe does so..
Seems like blizzard were extra cauntionous on making a bgh esque card
As someone who has started messing around with dragon priest, I can attest that it's not that hard to have a Dragon in Hand.
Rend is really good in a dragon themed deck I have also been testing out a dragon priest and always have a dragon in hand when it's time to use Rend. I think most of you that have used him will agree he has a really cool animation too
I rarely ever get a chance to use Rend's ability, its got 3 conditions and that makes it damn situational.
By T7 you need HIM. By T7+ you need HIM + Dragon in hand By T7+ you need HIM + Dragon in hand + enemy Legendary on board
So far hes been extremely disappointing with the amount of face hunter and mech mage all over the ladder. Neither of those decks reliably play legendaries that i care not to remove normally. Not to mention the 5health is subject to a lot of lame removal. Hell i dropped one down and a hunter just Kill Commanded him dead. That is such a massive loss in tempo it made my butthole clench.
Sure hes got swing value sure but more testing needed and it ain't lookin' good.
He doesn't work in a face-hunter heavy meta, that's for sure. Mech mage, though? Their win condition (Antonidas) is like the perfect target for Rend.
mage has to be really desparate to drop naked archmage without cloakfield or drawing couple of fireballs, at that point, if he drops naked, you have likely won anyway and if he does draw fireballs, wasting your whole turn on removing him isnt gonna help much
I already said this in another thread, but it would be more viable if he had the "silence first, then destroy a legendary minion", with those stats, rend should be able to kill any legendary without a drawback.. Now it cant kill Sylvanas, Tirion, Sneeds etc.. efficiently. Would see more play IMO.
I'm guessing everyone would play a 2 mana spell that killed a lgdry minion and a 5 mana 8/4. Rend is both of those combined. Once Dragon Paladin becomes the next big thing for sure he'll be included. He hits major threats that BGH can't, namely Ysera, Loatheb, and Emperor T.
Which is another argument in favor of dragon priest, which has 4 chows to drop instead of 2.
2 conditions and a 8/4 body is bad... 1 condition or maybe a 6/6 body would have been good...
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BGH can kill 21 legendaries (not counting tokens, enraged Grom, pumped-up Bolvar, or extra-headed Gahz'rilla). By my count, there are 65 in total right now (soon to be 67 with Chromaggus and Nefarian).
Of course, most of them aren't played. Of the legendaries that are actually used (and I'm being very generous here, including some fringe cards and dragons that might see more play post-BRM), BGH kills ten (sometimes twelve): Deathwing, Alexstrasza, Mal’Ganis, Onyxia, Ragnaros, Baron Geddon, Dr. Boom, Neptulon, Velen, and Rend himself. Plus Grom if he's enraged or VanCleef if he gets really huge.
However, Grom and Velen usually only come down as a last-turn win condition, Geddon is a fringe card in only one deck, Neptulon is also extremely unusual, nobody plays VanCleef as an 8/8, and I sort of doubt Deathwing is actually going to see play. So really that's six cards: Alex, Mal'Ganis (warlock only), Ony (if she gets played), Rag, Dr. Boom, and Rend (if he gets played).
"and the one nobody would ever use Rend on (Thalnos)" What about Sylvanas ? ^^
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It would probably be a rare play, but I could see it happening. After all, we just got through saying how easy it is to do 4 damage to something.
a Rend killed my Ysera and i couldnt kill him the turn after cause most removals were gone. in another game he killed my loatheb and i had to swipe the turn after cause you know bgh will not always be in your hand. both the times ive encountered him he was a big pain in the ass way more annoying that bgh. cause if bgh kills your dr boom you can summon a minion and kill him easily with the boom bots of either when you cant kill him at all 4/2 is not a big threat. but a 8/4 ready to wreck your face for 8 needs an immediate answer. Rend is VERY underrated
Are you sure this does not work? I mean, it works for Sacrificial Pact and Lord Jaraxxus is a legendary card, so maybe...
sac pact targets DEMONS, but does not say minion in it.
Rend targets legendary minions only
Jaraxxus is a legendary demon minion only if he is played in such a way his battle cry doesn;t go off (Voidcaller for instance)
Jaraxxus is a Legendary Demon Hero if he is played normally. He loses the Minion qualification. Same with how you can't Shadow Bolt him, he no longer counts as a minion.
Doctor Who? Dr. Boom. Timelord and Friend of All Daleks(Boom Bot).
Haha, whoops. You're right! For some reason I was thinking her deathrattle would fizzle, but I looked it up, and she'll steal him if your board is otherwise empty. Not always a terrible play, but surely about as rare as dropping Rend on Thalnos.
You have faced a Rend that meets his 2 conditions, and sure he is a good card if that's the case... It's like saying Wailing Soul is a good card beacause when you have 2 Ancient Watcher out it can be great.
The problem with him is the other cases when you don't have a target or a dragon in hand.
There is no cancer deck in hearthstone ! You are the Cancer !
Owl then yes! just did that excact move :)
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i suppose if you play like 10 dragons you will have a dragon in hand since youre playing a dragon deck..... and about the opponent having a legendary everyone is playing loatheb emperor boom and company. if i had a dragon deck i would definately play Rend
Rend is really good in a dragon themed deck I have also been testing out a dragon priest and always have a dragon in hand when it's time to use Rend. I think most of you that have used him will agree he has a really cool animation too
I rarely ever get a chance to use Rend's ability, its got 3 conditions and that makes it damn situational.
By T7 you need HIM.
By T7+ you need HIM + Dragon in hand
By T7+ you need HIM + Dragon in hand + enemy Legendary on board
So far hes been extremely disappointing with the amount of face hunter and mech mage all over the ladder. Neither of those decks reliably play legendaries that i care not to remove normally. Not to mention the 5health is subject to a lot of lame removal. Hell i dropped one down and a hunter just Kill Commanded him dead. That is such a massive loss in tempo it made my butthole clench.
Sure hes got swing value sure but more testing needed and it ain't lookin' good.
He doesn't work in a face-hunter heavy meta, that's for sure. Mech mage, though? Their win condition (Antonidas) is like the perfect target for Rend.
mage has to be really desparate to drop naked archmage without cloakfield or drawing couple of fireballs, at that point, if he drops naked, you have likely won anyway and if he does draw fireballs, wasting your whole turn on removing him isnt gonna help much
I already said this in another thread, but it would be more viable if he had the "silence first, then destroy a legendary minion", with those stats, rend should be able to kill any legendary without a drawback.. Now it cant kill Sylvanas, Tirion, Sneeds etc.. efficiently. Would see more play IMO.
I'm guessing everyone would play a 2 mana spell that killed a lgdry minion and a 5 mana 8/4. Rend is both of those combined. Once Dragon Paladin becomes the next big thing for sure he'll be included. He hits major threats that BGH can't, namely Ysera, Loatheb, and Emperor T.
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He doesnt... Hes a great removal card for high ranked dragon decks.
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