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Agree on the combo nonsense ... but this card, a good dragon - I have very serious doubts ...
Many people are discussing the synergies with Spare Parts, but really, how well will a Mech-Dragon deck work?
It's hard to imagine a deck with enough mechs to generate enough spare parts for this card while having enough dragons to be able to activate the "If you have a dragon in hand" synergy.
The card seems okay in Priest (Power Word: Shield, Velen's Chosen, etc.), and possibly some crazy combo decks.
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Well the ability to gain +1 in stats from just playing cards is one off the things that makes for really good cards. look at undertaker, ino its a 1 drop and gets +1 from minions but if the buff cards are good and cheap you are going to be cheating mana with this card.Violet teacher kinda does the same thing but the tokens it summons are separate units making aoi a big factor(unleash the hounds) and making them unable to attack the turn your using your spell.
If your using a power word shield you draw one card and make a four drop into a 6 drop for one mana extra and by buffing it one more time you are going to make it a 7 or 8 drop for 2 extra mana. Since power word shield cycles while giving and effect the only thing you lose from doing this is tempo and a spot in the deck. Sure it can be silenced but silencing a power word shield is negative value for you and losses you tempo. But the only really good scenario for this card currently is power word shield so it will need to be placed in a deck were spells that buff minions is a huge aspect of the deck. Seeing as dragon egg is also a card this type of buff dragon deck might be pretty good.
This card being good depends on how good the dragon synergy will be and how good the buff effects will be, if for example a really good card is released that can only be played when you have a certain number of dragons in play dragon egg will be become good and spells that can buff dragon egg will become good therefor also making this card good. As a standalone both these new cards are pretty bad but thats why we make decks with specific themes like miracle rouge and mech mage.
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Silenceable is not always a downside... Minions with silence already suck, so if an enemy has to waste a minion with silence on my Power Word: shielded dragonkin it is a win for me. The baseline 3/5 trades with both silence minions and can be healed up and it also trades with most 4 mana minions either way. I still think it's a fine Priest card.
Considering how much value Velen's Chosen gives already, this just makes it a +3/+5 buff for 3 mana. On curve, this is terrific.
I would imagine that another strong silence target will make Priest strategies like Lightspawn and Inner Fire/Divine Spirit more viable since you're dropping more targets that demand hard removal, attention, or a silence and this guy benefits from those spells as well. Priest Spellslinger deck inbound.
I mostly agree with this. However I still think there is solid potential here, at least for priests. I am not talking about crazy combo cards, that really isn't synergy per se'. I think a power word shiled, or velen's is really good here sure, but I am thinking of a mid range priest deck that gives you a little more for your buffs and punishes your opponent for silence attempts or removal attempts with Troggs as well. So you get a little extra out of all your buff spells with this guy and they (your opponent) gets "less" out of each of their spells.
I am less certain about this guy in almost every other class. Paladin I can see him being ok.
I think the key way to look at this card is not to do it from a "building a deck around him" view point, but rather what sort of deck will he fit in well with. This is why I think your point is so great. He is obviously good in a buff deck, but buff decks aren't a thing now, and he isn't likely to make a huge change in that respect. That being said, we'll have to wait and see. I think he will see some play for sure, but his biggest set back isn't that he is bad, but simply there is a 5/6 I can plop down on the field for the same cost right now.
Id rather just blastmage the shit out of the opponents board, TYVM :)
Apologies if this has already been asked and answered. I don't feel like scrolling over all 10 pages of posts looking for the answer, so I'll ask here: What would happen if you were a mage and you had this minion on the field with an active Counterspell on opponent's turn and he attempts a hard removal on it? Does he still get the +1/+1 even if counterspell triggers?
Your kinda missing the point.The main reason why this would be played is because 1) its a dragon 2) buff decks might become a thing 3) spare parts. When you silence a shredder you deny 1/3 off the cards value but when you silence this you deny a extra buff which is not a part of the card but an extra bonus. If your buffing this once with shield and your opponent plays and owl he is going to get -1 mana from the silence and also have allready had -1 card in there hand for several turns. There will also be a lot better targets for silence meaning if your opponent silences this there losing an important resource. Having this be a important silence/removal target after only 1 power word shield buff makes it a great threat. Buffing this also makes it able to trade a lot better then a shredder would.
This card will most likely be played along with hungry dragon and the other dragon cards in a deck with buffs for both this and the egg along with a unreleased card which will prblly be something like gain x/x for x amount of dragons or x amount of dragons killed/played this costs x less. Looking at the mechs as stand alones makes them look like bad cards but when put in a mech deck they become good and its the same way with the dragon cards. These new dragon cards might solve the priest problems by making all the shitty buff cards actually played for a reason other then just making a 3/2 bigger.
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The problem is: If an unbuffed shredder gets silenced, you lost basically just 1/3 of its value as you said, which is affordable. If dragonkin gets buffed with anything bigger than PW:S or spare parts, and then gets silenced, you lose a full card to that silence, not to mention the huge tempo loss. So shredder is still greatly preferable to get silenced (unless, of course, the shredder got buffed the same way, too).
I have to disagree. A shredders biggest boon is it's stickiness, which is due to it's deathrattle. You take that away and it's a really weak card. At least with a 3/5 you have a card with a decent body still around. Sure you may lose the buff card you stuck on him but there is a far larger possibility of getting a two for one with the silenced of the dragonkin. As a matter of fact, he could potentially trade for two shredders!
Though Shredder may not be the best card to compare the dragonkin too in a head to head situation as the dragonkin feels like it is almost a counter to the shredder in and of itself.
The best part of this minion: it's an awesome Silence and Removal bait.
I am going to like this card in a priest deck. Trades with shredder then you can use Light of the Naru to make it a 4/5 -> (or a 4/6 if you heal with it).
Just in line with someof the greatest minions like Sylvannas and Tirion.
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It's consistent with the wording of cards like Bolvar Fordragon.
Whether that wording is clear is a different question...
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I think the issue here is that you are looking at this as a card to "build a deck around". It isn't that. He would fall in line as a descent card in a deck with an already preset set up like a buff deck. Buff decks are susceptible to silence sure, but a TON of cards are. Some are rendered almost pointless if silenced but they still see play. Point is if I am playing a buff deck the hope is that I will have more buffs and buff synergy than they have silence. I'll be honest, if I stick a buff on this dude and he draws a silence, that is a straight up win for me.
Don't look to build a deck around him but look to see if he fits in any current deck ideas (heavily played or not). In the end I am not sure how much play this guy will see being up against a 5/6 dragon at 4 mana, and to me that is still the biggest "problem" with this card.
Wow, they are really trying to push a dragon deck without making blatantly op cards to do so. Granted, this may also be playable in some kind of aggro/midrangeish deck with some buffs(spare parts) as well.
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And there is your other issue. You don't see buff decks as being good at the moment. Well they certainly aren't popular right now, but if they continue to make good synergistic cards like this then it potentially can be. I feel like with some of the cards added currently priest has a good shot at decent buff deck with too many silence targets for most decks with silence to deal with.
I am not assuming anything you said this card itself isn't strong enough to justify building a deck around it, which seems to infer that you were looking at this card to build a deck around and realized it wasn't strong enough. That hardly needs to be said it's obvious. You don't build it around this card, you add this card to strengthen what is, at the moment considered a weak deck.
With enough buffs and enough creatures who like getting buffed it's not so much about combo's now as it is always having ( or at least most of the time) a hand that works well. Combo's can be frustrating, unless everything in the deck synergizes with most everything else in some way and then it becomes effective. It's why oil rogue works. it's combo heavy sure just about every spell or creature in there works well with just about every other spell or creature.