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It balances the game, making midrange stronger vs other archetypes not being able to run pilot like freeze mage and decks having specific strong 4drop options like handlock.

Nerfing pilot wouldn't change anything in midrange-midrange, the spot would just be taken by something else, probably yeti and midrange would get weaker vs other matchups.

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Piloted shredder doesn't win games singlehandedly. It's the best 4 drop but it isn't overpowered. So don't whine about this card it's ridiculous. In the scheme of an entire game it's usually a pretty low impact card.

 

If it's a low impact minion then why it's played on all decks? It's a guaranteed 2 for 1 or even 3 for 1 neutral it even outclasses almost all class 4 drops.

Except doomsayer type situations in an average game it's just another card that's played. There are never situations where it's like oh he played shredder I guess I just lose. Yes it's a really good card and it is common in decks because it's good. But saying Oh blizzard is blind for not nerfing it and saying it's unhealthy for the game is just absolutely ridiculous. Like seriously people over-exaggerate all the fucking time about it being OP but it isn't a game winning card and there are just never situations where it just wins games on 4. So just stop saying stuff like this really.

It doesn't win you the game but it's just too good and doesn't allow other 4 drops being played without being suboptimal.

Completely untrue... Savage combatant, twilight drake, twilight guardian, mountain giant, keeper of the grove, houndmaster, goblin blastmage, murloc knight, auchenai soulpriest, holy champion, defender of argus, violet teacher are all used quite a bit. And also you have to kind of look at the other 4 drops than those and look how shit most of them are so without shredder turn 4 would be garbage in so many situations.

None of those minions you mentioned compete with Piloted Shredder as they fulfill different roles, therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

Actually no because they are 4 drops and some used over top of shredder. Besides them what other 4 drops would be used if shredder wasn't a thing, chillwind yeti in every deck? Evil Heckler?? Lost tallstrider??? Other unconditional 4 drops are all complete trash so that's a huge reason to why shredder is played everywhere. Just because a card is used situationally doesn't mean it isn't a strong 4 drop.

If you see a deck with one of those but not Shredder, it's because that 4 drop slot in that particular deck is suited for that particular 4 drop. Their playability, if you will, depends very little on the power of Shredder. Most of them would still see play even if we BUFF shredder to 4/4. So they are not relevant to the discussion of other 4 drops not being played because of Shredder.

Judging  by the nerfing history i wish they won't attempt to fix it since according  to the last Warsong Commander "fix" a Piloted Shredder "fix" would be something like

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If they ever want to introduce new playable 4 drops they will have to do something about shredder.

That's debateable, I mean look at how good a 4 mana 3/6 Taunt has been in comparison. There still seems like there's room for design even with Shredder, altho' I do despire the card.

They actually nerfed it already by making Darnassass Asspirate.

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With no offense to anyone in this thread, Blizzard really doesn't give a crap about what anyone here thinks should or should not be nerfed. If they did, Dr. Boom would have been nerfed ages ago. Blizzard has all the data and they're the ones that decide when a card is problematic or not and only then will they make the decision to do anything about it. If they find a problematic card, they won't nerf it but instead try to implement new cards that can deal with it. If the problem persists after that and it's detrimental enough to the game, only then will they take the extreme measure of actually nerfing the card.

I personally don't think Piloted Shredder is detrimental enough to the game to warrant direct nerfing but that's not to say I don't think something should be done. The implementation of more sub-optimal 2 drops like Darnassus Aspirant and Lance Carrier are a step in the right direction. More high quality neutral 4 drops would be a welcome sight so we may have to actually make a reasonable choice for the slot. More cards that directly handle deathrattle effects or minions spawned outside of playing from the hand could become a thing. There's all sorts of ways to "nerf" Piloted Shredder without actually changing the card.

That being said, my original point stands. Doesn't matter what I personally think, Blizzard will do what they believe needs to be done and that's that.

What is worst.. the suggestions for improvements are pathetic. Long live Shredder, above the mediocre hearthstone players/critics.

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Of course it should. It's basically auto-include in far too many decks for it to actually be balanced.

Make it summon a 1-cost minion or change its stats to something like 3/2.

so we have another garbage 4 drop? no thanks.. move along

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Of course it should. It's basically auto-include in far too many decks for it to actually be balanced.

Make it summon a 1-cost minion or change its stats to something like 3/2.

so we have another garbage 4 drop? no thanks.. move along

Your definition of "garbage" is wonky, chum.

Too many people constantly eager to defend the status quo in Hearthstone.

Yes. I like the game the way it is. Problem? Talk to me in a year and over 3 newer sets.

Big words.

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I think shredder should be nerfed in a very simple way, remove totem golem, millhouse manastorm, succubus and doomsayer from the list of things it can spawn.

Why? There's a 1.20% chance of them spawning each individual minion. That's 1/84 possible combinations, 4 of them are equal to/better than Piloted Shredder, so that's 80 or so, that are less than the original card's value.

No - some cards are stronger than others...who knew.  Its only when a card becomes game breaking that a nerf is needed.  I can name about a dozen powerful cards off the top of my head - do they need a nerf too?  No.  Only game breakers do.  I think Blizzard has done a good job of identifying the cards that need a nerf - my only criticism is the amount of time they have taken to make their decisions.

One last comment - about RNG in general.  This is a card game, your card draw is completely RNG.  So RNG in general does not concern me with individual cards, I actually enjoy the random elements.

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I think shredder should be nerfed in a very simple way, remove totem golem, millhouse manastorm, succubus and doomsayer from the list of things it can spawn.

Why? There's a 1.20% chance of them spawning each individual minion. That's 1/84 possible combinations, 4 of them are equal to/better than Piloted Shredder, so that's 80 or so, that are less than the original card's value.

While i think there's nothing wrong with a bit of RNG, that's part of what makes hearthstone fun and unique, however i don't like too big swings in the RNG. You do still have a point: it happens so rarely that it hardly matters. However the few moments it happens can be pretty fustrating.

I totally agree those moments when you're calculating what to do, hit the shredder, and another 4/3 pops out really fvcks your game up.

It should be nerfed because it's the best neutral 4 drop by far.It's not that it breaks the game but make all other 4 drops obsolete.Being 4/2 should be fine

So you think Piloted Shredder is op 4 drop? Twilight Guardian says it's a nice joke :)

They need to make Harvest Golem drop an Injured Kvaldir.. this game sucks

Shredder is by far one of the most used 4 drop card. But that does not mean it should be nerfed. It is really good card that can go both ways. If I am not wrong then it is one of those cards that makes the game interesting simply because of its RNG. 

So if you are asking to nerf it that means you are asking to remove one among many elements of fun in this game. So for me its a NO.

You can only have 2 in a deck.  It's a great 4-drop.  No it should not.   More cards should be like it.  It's like saying should knife juggler or sludge belcher be nerfed.  No.  It shouldnt.  This is just someone's idea to gain the limelight for 15 min by riding off the coattails of the wsc nerfed recently.  

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So you think Piloted Shredder is op 4 drop? Twilight Guardian says it's a nice joke :)

Twilight guardian requires a specific deck to be played piloted shredder does not.Also even with the buff shredder is  35%  of the times (ok not 35% but 33% plus something, i can't recall the exact number from liquidhearth) better than 11vaule(9 stats +taunt)

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So you think Piloted Shredder is op 4 drop? Twilight Guardian says it's a nice joke :)

Twilight guardian requires a specific deck to be played piloted shredder does not.Also even with the buff shredder is  35%  of the times (ok not 35% but 33% plus something, i can't recall the exact number from liquidhearth) better than 11vaule(9 stats +taunt)

So what you're saying is 67% of the time it is better to play Guardian than Shredder?.. Twilight Guardian requres specific deck to be used in, but on the other side, Shredder finds no use in dragon decks, because no matter how strong it can theoretically be, Guardian is far more reliable card.

It should be nerfed and it should read '' Your Charge Mechs have +1 Attack''