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Yes he is been around for a year, but now that blizzard talks about "design space" they really should look at piloted shredder.
I mean.. We all know this card is insane it's a minimum 4/3 into 1/1 and a maximum of 4/3 into 4/4 just for 4 mana, it also has the mech tag if it wasn't enough.
This card makes all other 4 drops compete for the spot and all 4+ mana with 4 hp terrible since almost every deck runs 2 shredders..
This card has too much value than the game can handle for 4.. Either nerf the mana cost to 5 or nerf the body..
But sadly the design team is blind to the real problems of the game.
Maybe if we surface this problem enough like ranked rewards blizzard will take action to nerf shredder
I can't be qqing right? I mean.. I also run *2 of him it's just stpid how broken this card is.
Piloted shredder doesn't win games singlehandedly. It's the best 4 drop but it isn't overpowered. So don't whine about this card it's ridiculous. In the scheme of an entire game it's usually a pretty low impact card.
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Why would you suggest to make it 3 mana? That would make the card op.
If it's a low impact minion then why it's played on all decks? It's a guaranteed 2 for 1 or even 3 for 1 neutral it even outclasses almost all class 4 drops.
Edit: edited it I meant making it 5 mana lol
Except doomsayer type situations in an average game it's just another card that's played. There are never situations where it's like oh he played shredder I guess I just lose. Yes it's a really good card and it is common in decks because it's good. But saying Oh blizzard is blind for not nerfing it and saying it's unhealthy for the game is just absolutely ridiculous. Like seriously people over-exaggerate all the fucking time about it being OP but it isn't a game winning card and there are just never situations where it just wins games on 4. So just stop saying stuff like this really.
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I say that it would be ridiculous to be nerfed or made 5 mana but I do think it could have summoned a 1 drop instead but it doesn't warrant them going in and changing the card now. I think that would be the most balanced version of the card making its health lower wouldn't do much because lots of things that do 2 damage do 3 anyways and making mana cost 5 is just so bad. 3/3 would also be a lame card because then it wouldn't trade up with other 4 drops or 5 drops in most situations.
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It doesn't win you the game but it's just too good and doesn't allow other 4 drops being played without being suboptimal.
Lol, doesn't win the game singlhandedly. You guys remind me of people who said JTMS was not broken in MTG because it rarely dealt the killing blow itself, it only powerfully assisted every way of wining..
I think there's a lot of class cards that are more powerful than the Shredder though, and I don't think neutral cards should get extra priority for the nerf bat. Blizzard tends to disagree with that, though, neutrals get nerfed more frequently than class specifics. If I had to pick a neutral to nerf, it probably would be Shredder.
You could also get a doomsayer and lose the game from it. <3 RNG.
I wonder if we'll see some negative death rattle synergy come with the next adventure/expansion. A legendary that makes death rattles not trigger, or a "whenever your opponent plays a minion with death rattle, silence it" effect? I personally would be happier with that kind of change as opposed to an outright nerf.
I agree that Piloted Shredder makes most other 4 drops seem pretty weak and you're always asking yourself "Why am I trying to run this over piloted shredder?" If they're serious about trying to make more room for potentially viable card designs, taking a look at piloted shredder is a great place to start. Even making it a 4/2 so 3 drops and 2 drops can kinda contest with it would be a nice change.
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Completely untrue... Savage combatant, twilight drake, twilight guardian, mountain giant, keeper of the grove, houndmaster, goblin blastmage, murloc knight, auchenai soulpriest, holy champion, defender of argus, violet teacher are all used quite a bit. And also you have to kind of look at the other 4 drops than those and look how shit most of them are so without shredder turn 4 would be garbage in so many situations.
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None of those minions you mentioned compete with Piloted Shredder as they fulfill different roles, therefore irrelevant to this discussion.
we are all know how blizz can "fix" cards so no way .
And it looks like shredder is favourite developers card.
Are you really want to play Yeti or Shieldmasta or what ?
for example every game with pala - minibot into master for battle - other classes have thesame things, why shredder cant be ?in some decks only cards with better synergy can be better as 4 drop (dragons or teachers )
and for mechs decks shredder is 3 drop already ))))
No you're right. As a community we've tried to justify the power level of shredder for almost a year now, and it's escaped notice by hiding behind Dr. Boom. There's a reason why I start deck building with 27 slots
Actually no because they are 4 drops and some used over top of shredder. Besides them what other 4 drops would be used if shredder wasn't a thing, chillwind yeti in every deck? Evil Heckler?? Lost tallstrider??? Other unconditional 4 drops are all complete trash so that's a huge reason to why shredder is played everywhere. Just because a card is used situationally doesn't mean it isn't a strong 4 drop.
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New 4 drops which wouldn't be forced to have more than 4 hp to be any useful! Design space!
That could work maybe in some kind of warrior deck where you use a combo with like a grim patron or something to win. That's actually a really cool idea.
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It balances the game, making midrange stronger vs other archetypes not being able to run pilot like freeze mage and decks having specific strong 4drop options like handlock.
Nerfing pilot wouldn't change anything in midrange-midrange, the spot would just be taken by something else, probably yeti and midrange would get weaker vs other matchups.