I think Yogg-Saron, Unleashed was the most broken card ever printed on its release, on account of the fact that it's still good after a +9 mana cost nerf.
Showdown in standard. Can literally win the game out of nowhere and put a potential 21 damage on the board. Or actually, the Crusader Aura is also a pretty good candidate for a similar reason.
If we are talking about the most broken card ever printed, well, look two lines above.
They have already balanced him several times, and they are going to have to balance him again with this expansion. He's only been out 1 expansion period and I dread having to face him for another 1,5 years.
The OG Zilliax was very good, but it did not really define the decks he was in nor create a win condition on his own. It was just one of those perfect utility cards that helped you get to your game plan.
This new one has been a 1 card game wrecker since the start. I don't think new zilliax will be as beloved as the OG version was, for the simple reason of it being TOO MUCH of a good thing. It definitely helped sell the expansion though, that's for sure.
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Zilliax. It's in every single fucking deck in some fashion, and it's about to get a LOT worse with Hydration Station. That card is going to break the camels back and demand more nerfs imo. The only counter to the card is Aman'Thul, a one-class legendary, and Yogg which is forced to be run in every control deck simply because of Zilliax.
I would not mind it being rotated into wild early like Genn/Baku.
Yes, reno is broken, but I can't agree with calling a 10 mana card the most broken in the game. You had an argument with the 8, maybe even 9 mana reno. But considering most games don't reach 10 mana, there are other offenders.
i can see where lamplighter is going to be a problem. or all of the ways they can bounce it. the rogue combo destory/draw three cards is a problem too. i see players using it just to draw the cards. that's a red flag there. whole deck drawn by turn 9 and combo in hand hmm
Maestra, Mask Merchant pulling Lightforged Cariel (whose infinite weapon then gets endless poisons poured on it) has felt pretty busted in Standard over the past few days, but I've got to agree on Zilliax Deluxe 3000 overall. It's ridiculous that it still has access to Reborn.
Agreeing on Zilliax Deluxe 3000, which as others have said should have either Reborn removed OR Elusive, in my opinion. The problem with Elusive is that it prevents any targeted transformations such as Hex to dismantle that deck's wincon. Hell, even if Tinkmaster Overspark was in Standard that'd be SOMETHING, as Zilliax is often dropped on the board by itself.
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Mine is Reno, Lone Ranger without question.
Neutral card that erases(not even destroys) enemy board only AND limits to 1 minion is just too much in my opinion even with 10 mana.
I don't think anything comes remotely close to this power level maybe except Wildheart Guff that literally doubles your max mana.
What's yours and why?
Developers' inability to balance is one thing; players choosing to abuse it is another.
I think Yogg-Saron, Unleashed was the most broken card ever printed on its release, on account of the fact that it's still good after a +9 mana cost nerf.
The warlock quest in wild (The Demon Seed?)
Showdown in standard. Can literally win the game out of nowhere and put a potential 21 damage on the board. Or actually, the Crusader Aura is also a pretty good candidate for a similar reason.
If we are talking about the most broken card ever printed, well, look two lines above.
[[secret passage]] 1 mana draw 4 with downside and that downside is not big enough to keep this even remotely balanced.
Zilliax.
They have already balanced him several times, and they are going to have to balance him again with this expansion. He's only been out 1 expansion period and I dread having to face him for another 1,5 years.
The OG Zilliax was very good, but it did not really define the decks he was in nor create a win condition on his own. It was just one of those perfect utility cards that helped you get to your game plan.
This new one has been a 1 card game wrecker since the start. I don't think new zilliax will be as beloved as the OG version was, for the simple reason of it being TOO MUCH of a good thing. It definitely helped sell the expansion though, that's for sure.
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Zilliax. It's in every single fucking deck in some fashion, and it's about to get a LOT worse with Hydration Station. That card is going to break the camels back and demand more nerfs imo. The only counter to the card is Aman'Thul, a one-class legendary, and Yogg which is forced to be run in every control deck simply because of Zilliax.
I would not mind it being rotated into wild early like Genn/Baku.
It's hard for me to limit this to one card cuz of nerfs and meta changes, but here is my list:
Currently in standard Zilliax Deluxe 3000
Currently in wild Secret Passage
By original release status The Demon Seed
By meta domination period Innervate
All time peak highest winrate deck Kael'thas Sunstrider
You’re correct with Kael‘thas
In conjunction with Barnes it made the most solitaire like deck we’ve ever seen in HS.
Zilliax3000ia the best legendary ever printed. Its that good.
Yes, reno is broken, but I can't agree with calling a 10 mana card the most broken in the game. You had an argument with the 8, maybe even 9 mana reno. But considering most games don't reach 10 mana, there are other offenders.
i can see where lamplighter is going to be a problem. or all of the ways they can bounce it. the rogue combo destory/draw three cards is a problem too. i see players using it just to draw the cards. that's a red flag there. whole deck drawn by turn 9 and combo in hand hmm
Maestra, Mask Merchant pulling Lightforged Cariel (whose infinite weapon then gets endless poisons poured on it) has felt pretty busted in Standard over the past few days, but I've got to agree on Zilliax Deluxe 3000 overall. It's ridiculous that it still has access to Reborn.
Agreeing on Zilliax Deluxe 3000, which as others have said should have either Reborn removed OR Elusive, in my opinion. The problem with Elusive is that it prevents any targeted transformations such as Hex to dismantle that deck's wincon. Hell, even if Tinkmaster Overspark was in Standard that'd be SOMETHING, as Zilliax is often dropped on the board by itself.
Instead, it seems we're left with extreme aggro or relying on a two-card-neutral-7-mana-combo and luck with Dirty Rat and Bayfin Bodybuilder or maybe even Sir Finley, the Intrepid or Aman'Thul.
Standard has Reno, Lone Ranger and Yogg-Saron, Unleashed as viable neutral answers. As always ramp allows Zilliax Deluxe 3000 to come down a bit too early for those options, so I can see the Virus Module just going up by one mana.
There has always been a candidate every year so far, like most controversial card that needed several balance changes
2 years ago, it was Sire Denathrius
Last year, it was Astalor Bloodsworn
This year, it seems like Zilliax Deluxe 3000
Any card that allow otk.
otk. ele mage just needs to be killed 5x times like highlander
it amazes me people still complain about zillax etc. game is dead because of you people
Nothing beats EVERYONE GET IN HERE. The concept of them piling in and each one screaming EVERYONE GET IN HERE. Grim Patron will always have a special place in my mind.