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The card text doesn't help at all. I played Tony + Jailor, it didn't switch my deck back after a turn. Then I play Warlock with terrible cards and just play Tony on its own but then my deck swapped back after a turn? Nowhere on the fucking text does it say (It swaps back after a turn) and why the hell didn't it swap back when I destroyed my opponent's deck?

dude, it swaps back when it dies...

It's not a battlecry like King Togwaggle so it's effect is an aura. Auras only remain active until the card dies.

https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Ongoing_effect

There's something bugged with it imo (or it doesn't work the way I think it does).  My opponent played Jailor/Tony combo and swapped the decks around.  I played my own Tony to switch them back - which did precisely nothing...

Is that how it's supposed to be?

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There's something bugged with it imo (or it doesn't work the way I think it does).  My opponent played Jailor/Tony combo and swapped the decks around.  I played my own Tony to switch them back - which did precisely nothing...

Is that how it's supposed to be?

 Aye unfortunatly this is how it is suposed to work.

It's super counter intuitive, for w/e reason they decided to give a aura minion a proactive effect, that rly suck imo.

Auras wont happen twice, unless it's a stackable effect like a +×/+× buff.

The text on tony is very confusing and you could assume that tony counters tony but it dosnt.

Cant counter an already active effect which only resolution is the generator no longer existing.

Shame of you both for playing such trash design cards. Get rekt.

If you must know I stole his Tony!

Either way that's completely counter-intuitive.  I would have assumed that my (stolen) Tony would have swapped them back and then when either or both Tonys died they would swap around again (once or twice respectively). There's nothing at all in the design of the card that would make you think it wouldn't stack - but hey ho.  It's not the first time Blizz has created completely non-obvious interactions in their cards...

I understand programming a little so maybe it's just obvious to me.

You cant change something if a rule has been set that there is only ONE way to change it. Best case scenario you get an error and have to spend an hour fixing your code. lol. But even in that case, an error is same as no change.

But in general, ive stated in another thread, anoob jailer and tony are all terribly designed cards. I wont even rant about it.

only possibly cool thing in this expansion is lightshow mage which wont get any play because theres stuff thats a clearly not only more busted but braindead consistent. Someone on the dev tried to make menagerie warrior a thing. I made a deck thats solid but not going do anything vs crap like mentioned cards.

Awkward 

Tony's effect is an persistent effect to the minion. This means:

• So long as Tony is on the field, decks are swapped.
• If Tony dies, or is poofed, transformed, or bounced, decks swap back.
• If Tony is silenced, decks swap back.
• If you play Tony while there's another Tony on the field, decks swap twice, canceling each other out. Edit: Appears this one was slightly wrong. My bad.

Note how its text doesn't include a specific trigger activation like Battlecry or Deathrattle. That means it's tied to the minion being alive. 

That last line...

If you play Tony while there's another Tony on the field, decks swap twice, canceling each other out.

that's not how it works.  Second Tony does nothing.

Also - @KingCarnage- not sure I agree with your logic.  If it stated "swap your original deck with your opponents original deck" then I could see how two Tony's wouldn't stack, because you don't have your original deck when the second one is played.  This Tony just states - "Both players decks are swapped" and it's easily possible that this could happen twice with two Tony's.  Yes it mean that two minions both have an aura, but there's nothing inherantlyl wrong with that, and both Aura's resolve when each Tony is killed.

Either way - that's not how it works in practice, so here's hoping Tony fades into a meaningless meme deck...

The fourth dot is incorrect. Please remove. Second tony will do nothing because first Tony's effect is still active. There is no twice action. Second Tony's action is BLOCKED.

From what I heard they counteracted each other, but my bad, edited.

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 This Tony just states - "Both players decks are swapped" and it's easily possible that this could happen twice with two Tony's.  Yes it mean that two minions both have an aura, but there's nothing inherantlyl wrong with that, and both Aura's resolve when each Tony is killed.

Either way - that's not how it works in practice, so here's hoping Tony fades into a meaningless meme deck...

 

 If it were a battlecry, itd work like that. This might be first aura card that affects your opponent  besides the secrets cant be tripped and enemy cant be healed cards, In both those cases inflicting the effect wouldnt negate your opponents aura so there is no problem.

This garbage isnt going anywhere. Jailor was free and out for a while and its still around as if immunity a good trait for a card game. Other than Brawl and Twisting nether, is there even a way to destroy those cards in standard. Mass poly rotated I believe and i think priest options rotated out too.

Whats weird is i see this garbage even in casual mode. Either Jailor Tony Druid or Jailor Malganis warlock whihc no has the fatigue dmg clears.

Tony's aura says "both players' decks are swapped", which means that when a second tony is played, both players' decks are already currently swapped and therefore they aren't swapped a second time, otherwise both decks *wouldn't* be swapped. As said, the aura is a continuous effect, not a battlecry kinda thing, so the question isn't "did *my* tony swap the decks?" but "are our decks currently swapped?"/"do i have the opponent's deck on my side?".

The effect is confusing, but the text is as clear as it can be about that; the card works exactly as the text says, it's not misleading or "sounding wrong" like it might be a bug, it's just an awkward design

I'm not arguing about the effect (or the logic as to how it must work in practice) as I now know how it works, but even in your attempt to explain, it's quite reasonable to think they could swap again when the second Tony enters play.  Why shouldn't they?  There's nothing inherent in the wording "swaps decks" to suggest that the current deck (be it the orignal deck or not) cant swap again. I disagree that the card works exactly as the text says and I think it's very misleading.

If it said "swap your starting deck with your opponents starting deck" (or something similar) then it couldn't stack and the logic for not swapping would be correct. 

Out of curiosity, do you think Tony should swap decks if the opponent has already played King Togwaggle and conversely would King Togwaggle swap decks if Tony is in play ? I have no idea if he does and that's a problem imo.

Either way, it's largely a moot point at this stage - he does what he does, and hopefully this post has raised awareness of that so that people don't lose a game to stupid, non-obvious (or at the very least ambiguous) interaction (p.s. I don't want a discussion about how any of these cards work!)

It isn't the first example of non-obvious interactions and I'm certain it wont be the last!  Remember Mo'arg Artificer - he has some of the most non-intuitive interactions in the game imo (with Piercing Shot for example).  He's also an aura effect which stacks multiplicatively even though it's perfectly reasonable to assume it wont (and reasonable to assume it will).

First one: yes

Second one: no