This new card, Jandice Barov seems very exciting, so I wanted to see how good is she on average. Im not gonna calculate the average 5 drop stats, lets say its 4/4. Now the interesting part is the minions with extra effect. There are 2 minions summoned, a "real" one and an "illusion" which dies to any damage. The best highroll for the real minion is obviously Earth Elemental, but there is a chance that you will have a useful illusion. Lets see!
*I mean these are bad if your other choice is something decent, like a Scalelord, but if your other choice is below average, these are fine as "real" minions.
So we have 2 really bad rolls, 3 bad rolls, 4 situationally lowrolls, 6 situationally highrolls and 11 highrolls for the illusion, not counting the all mighty Earth Elemental. On average Jandice is a 2/1 + a 4/4 + a 4/1 which is already decent IMO, but as you can see there is a lot of highroll potential and very few lowrolls. This list could change a little with some of the unrevealed cards, but not by much.
So how good is Jandice Barov? I would say preeeeety good! :)
Maybe you are right, I was struggling to put there because if the opponent has some tokens, lackeys, stuff like that its not that good. But its certainly much better than average.
Getting a 3/1 rush besides a 2/1 and a random 5-drop for 5 mana is pretty good IMO. Cool that you mentioned that battlecries dont work and you are referring to a choose one card...
But you also get the 2/1 body, which is miniscule, but nevertheless a body. The card is good, the only question is - is it good enough to replace any card from the current lists?
I think it could be, but the space is pretty tight. For sure not auto-include. But an include potentially - sure.
Getting a 3/1 rush besides a 2/1 and a random 5-drop for 5 mana is pretty good IMO. Cool that you mentioned that battlecries dont work and you are referring to a choose one card...
Which wont work either... so what? I hope you craft it golden you ignorant prick.
So? Its still a 3/1 rush. I made some effort to do research about the high and low rolls, and I knew that neither battlecry or choose one wont work, but somehow Im still being the ignorant prick here. Kids these days...
But you also get the 2/1 body, which is miniscule, but nevertheless a body. The card is good, the only question is - is it good enough to replace any card from the current lists?
I think it could be, but the space is pretty tight. For sure not auto-include. But an include potentially - sure.
Maybe not in current lists (however possibly in highlander mage), but maybe in new ones. Tempo rogue shapes up nicely with the new cards for example.
This card looks rly bad for the current only spell mage... we have a 0/3 egg , 0/5 obelisk and now a 2/1 from the 5 mana blast spell
Yep, a minion is bad in no-minion mage. And you have successfully spotted the 3 worst rolls. Thanks for your input.
I think he meant it is a nerf to Apexis Blast since it is a new lowroll for that spell if you are playing spell mage. But he isn't considering the new 5 drops that are also coming in that offset their being the 2/1 in the pool. I think overall more good-great 5's have been added to the pool so complaining about one new bad one isn't really necessary. It's a really nice minion to pull from Font of Power if you are spell mage and the pool for Apexis Blast is still fine if not better with the new 5s.
Getting a 3/1 rush besides a 2/1 and a random 5-drop for 5 mana is pretty good IMO. Cool that you mentioned that battlecries dont work and you are referring to a choose one card...
Which wont work either... so what? I hope you craft it golden you ignorant prick.
Call me an ignorant prick, but I'd craft it golden (if only I had a plethora of dust...gathering dust).
Yeah I was inspired by the good old "How good is x" Kripp videos. :) Too bad he doesnt play constructed (or arena) anymore.
Kripp hasn't played constructed for more than 2 weeks after release since like 2014. He doesn't play Arena because Blizzard has abandoned arena, they did one balance patch this expansion for Arena which was very low quality and didn't solve any issues with the game mode, they don't publish the leaderboards anymore, they forgot to do the rotation in expansion and they can't even fix the stupid Arena key bug. Even other hardcore Arena streamers either don't play Arena anymore or play a lot less than before.
Yeah I was inspired by the good old "How good is x" Kripp videos. :) Too bad he doesnt play constructed (or arena) anymore.
Kripp hasn't played constructed for more than 2 weeks after release since like 2014. He doesn't play Arena because Blizzard has abandoned arena, they did one balance patch this expansion for Arena which was very low quality and didn't solve any issues with the game mode, they don't publish the leaderboards anymore, they forgot to do the rotation in expansion and they can't even fix the stupid Arena key bug. Even other hardcore Arena streamers either don't play Arena anymore or play a lot less than before.
I know he wasnt committed to constructed ever, but in older expansions he did a lot of youtube videos named "How good is [card name]?" while he was testing new cards / new decks in constructed. I dont watch his streams, but I miss this kind of youtube content from him.
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This new card, Jandice Barov seems very exciting, so I wanted to see how good is she on average. Im not gonna calculate the average 5 drop stats, lets say its 4/4. Now the interesting part is the minions with extra effect. There are 2 minions summoned, a "real" one and an "illusion" which dies to any damage. The best highroll for the real minion is obviously Earth Elemental, but there is a chance that you will have a useful illusion. Lets see!
Highrolls: Al'ar, Faceless Corruptor, Stranglethorn Tiger, Wasteland Assassin, Doctor Krastinov, Totem Goliath, Crystal Stag, Oasis Surger, Convincing Infiltrator, Bazaar Mugger, Waxadred
Situational highrolls: Abomination, Dalaran Crusader, Headmaster Kel'Thuzad, Ras Frostwhisper, Tundra Rhino, Scrap Golem
Lowrolls: Chromatic Egg, Desert Obelisk, Jandice Barov, Starving Buzzard, Shadow Sculptor
Situational lowrolls*: Azerite Elemental, Gurubashi Berserker, Malygos, Aspect of Magic, Necrium Apothecary
*I mean these are bad if your other choice is something decent, like a Scalelord, but if your other choice is below average, these are fine as "real" minions.
So we have 2 really bad rolls, 3 bad rolls, 4 situationally lowrolls, 6 situationally highrolls and 11 highrolls for the illusion, not counting the all mighty Earth Elemental. On average Jandice is a 2/1 + a 4/4 + a 4/1 which is already decent IMO, but as you can see there is a lot of highroll potential and very few lowrolls. This list could change a little with some of the unrevealed cards, but not by much.
So how good is Jandice Barov? I would say preeeeety good! :)
Dalaran Crusader should be in highroll.
Which card are you referring to? If its Faceless Corruptor I still consider it as a highroll illusion because it will become a 4/1 with rush.
This card looks rly bad for the current only spell mage... we have a 0/3 egg , 0/5 obelisk and now a 2/1 from the 5 mana blast spell
Maybe you are right, I was struggling to put there because if the opponent has some tokens, lackeys, stuff like that its not that good. But its certainly much better than average.
Probably not very good.
Getting a 3/1 rush besides a 2/1 and a random 5-drop for 5 mana is pretty good IMO. Cool that you mentioned that battlecries dont work and you are referring to a choose one card...
Yep, a minion is bad in no-minion mage. And you have successfully spotted the 3 worst rolls. Thanks for your input.
Two random 5 drops for 5 is good enough.
But you also get the 2/1 body, which is miniscule, but nevertheless a body. The card is good, the only question is - is it good enough to replace any card from the current lists?
I think it could be, but the space is pretty tight. For sure not auto-include. But an include potentially - sure.
So? Its still a 3/1 rush. I made some effort to do research about the high and low rolls, and I knew that neither battlecry or choose one wont work, but somehow Im still being the ignorant prick here. Kids these days...
Oasis Surger has rush as innate ability, so when summoned by this card, it would still be a 3/1 rush minion.
Maybe not in current lists (however possibly in highlander mage), but maybe in new ones. Tempo rogue shapes up nicely with the new cards for example.
Could be a nice conjurerers target.
Its true for mages. There is also evolve lackey and Shadowstep in rogue's arsenal which could be pretty good with Jandice.
Krip?
I think he meant it is a nerf to Apexis Blast since it is a new lowroll for that spell if you are playing spell mage. But he isn't considering the new 5 drops that are also coming in that offset their being the 2/1 in the pool. I think overall more good-great 5's have been added to the pool so complaining about one new bad one isn't really necessary. It's a really nice minion to pull from Font of Power if you are spell mage and the pool for Apexis Blast is still fine if not better with the new 5s.
Yeah I was inspired by the good old "How good is x" Kripp videos. :) Too bad he doesnt play constructed (or arena) anymore.
Call me an ignorant prick, but I'd craft it golden (if only I had a plethora of dust...gathering dust).
Kripp hasn't played constructed for more than 2 weeks after release since like 2014. He doesn't play Arena because Blizzard has abandoned arena, they did one balance patch this expansion for Arena which was very low quality and didn't solve any issues with the game mode, they don't publish the leaderboards anymore, they forgot to do the rotation in expansion and they can't even fix the stupid Arena key bug. Even other hardcore Arena streamers either don't play Arena anymore or play a lot less than before.
I know he wasnt committed to constructed ever, but in older expansions he did a lot of youtube videos named "How good is [card name]?" while he was testing new cards / new decks in constructed. I dont watch his streams, but I miss this kind of youtube content from him.