I'm wondering what people think of this. Every class has it's highball RNG moments, and this includes rogue getting Dark Pharaoh Tekahn, but at the same time, since the rogue Galakrond and invoke cards generate lackies, it's an inclusion that feels overlooked and too unfair.Dark Pharaoh Tekahn is a card that was designed before there was the possibility of rogue ever getting to discover it, and before rogue more or less over doubled its lacky generation potential with invoking and Galakrond.
Team 5 has shown that they are willing to adapt certain mechanics for fringe circumstances when they prevented Dragonqueen Alexstrasza from creating copies of itself. My question is, do you think it would be reasonable to do something similar and prevent Dark Pharaoh Tekahn from being in the Dragon's Hoard discover pool, or whether this is setting a bad precedent for messing with discover pools? I'm on the fence and I just wanted to throw the idea out there and see what people think.
Play rogue most of the time, the pool size of the legendarys are bigger enough to this card shows up less than 10% of the time, don't need to chance anything.
I think cards should do what they say they do in the card description. That would mean I also support reverting the Dragonqueen Alexstrasza change. Unless the change is made clear by a change in the card text, I don't support fringe changes and exceptions.
Also, Blizzard has made clear that they start designing sets a year or two in advance. They knew well that Rogue would have the mechanics they did, and still printed Dark Pharaoh Tekahn one year before. The reasoning is simple - discovering Tekahn from Dragon's Hoard is an uncommon occurrence that doesn't really affect balancing.
If the text of Dragon's Hoard was "Choose another class, discover a legendary card from it" I will agree with this argument but the way the card works don't have a problem at all.
Rogue, unfortunately, has that high roll potential in abundance. It's why I can't stand facing them.
As in the case you bring up, it's just one of those games you have to shrug your shoulders and realise there's nothing you can do. I get it's amazingly frustrating and unfair but that seems to be the Rogue identity these days.
You and the others are right. Even as I posted this thread, I knew the answer I would get. Getting to decide what is and isn't fair in card generation is a slippery slope and to enjoy Hearthstone, you just have to accept getting highrolled the shit out of every now and then. Plus being the one high-rolling can be a lot of fun.
I do agree that the amount of random card generation rogue has crept into the territory of unfun, but that's the fault of lackies and rogue having the lacky theme for its Galakrond. At least it's only two out of five lackies that discover cards.
I think cards should do what they say they do in the card description. That would mean I also support reverting the Dragonqueen Alexstrasza change. Unless the change is made clear by a change in the card text, I don't support fringe changes and exceptions.
Also, Blizzard has made clear that they start designing sets a year or two in advance. They knew well that Rogue would have the mechanics they did, and still printed Dark Pharaoh Tekahn one year before. The reasoning is simple - discovering Tekahn from Dragon's Hoard is an uncommon occurrence that doesn't really affect balancing.
Fair enough, you're right. I guess what went through my head is, would it be acceptable to include a card in the discovery pool that hypothetically said "win the game" but only have it occur at a very low rate? Of course, Dark Pharaoh Tekahn does NOT straight up win the game, it just happens to be quite good, but it's interesting to think in extremes when thinking about these things.
Interestingly enough, the text for Dragonqueen Alexstrasza says "add 2 OTHER random dragons" so it could be interpreted to be consistent with the current effect. What's funny about this, though, is that the pre-nerf version had the same wording.
Dragon horde into dark pharaoh tekahn has happened several times for me and against me . Feel like a lot of times the coding is slanted towards synergy.
What's the chance of getting Dark Pharaoh Tekahn in Gala Rogue? Let's see, you have Dragon's Hoard and ummmm... well.... Oh yes, nothing else. There is literally just this one card and the only Rogue that runs it is Highlander Rogue. He has one copy of this spell in his deck, so what are the chances of getting Tekhan? Not too big I guess. Oh wait, there is the Discover Spell Lackey. Heh good luck praying to the RNG god...
Just happened to me, not for the first time - not as rare as people think when you play a lot of games. And yes, you can't do anything about it after they play it. Game over.
I'm wondering what people think of this. Every class has it's highball RNG moments, and this includes rogue getting Dark Pharaoh Tekahn, but at the same time, since the rogue Galakrond and invoke cards generate lackies, it's an inclusion that feels overlooked and too unfair.Dark Pharaoh Tekahn is a card that was designed before there was the possibility of rogue ever getting to discover it, and before rogue more or less over doubled its lacky generation potential with invoking and Galakrond.
Team 5 has shown that they are willing to adapt certain mechanics for fringe circumstances when they prevented Dragonqueen Alexstrasza from creating copies of itself. My question is, do you think it would be reasonable to do something similar and prevent Dark Pharaoh Tekahn from being in the Dragon's Hoard discover pool, or whether this is setting a bad precedent for messing with discover pools? I'm on the fence and I just wanted to throw the idea out there and see what people think.
The short answer: No
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Play rogue most of the time, the pool size of the legendarys are bigger enough to this card shows up less than 10% of the time, don't need to chance anything.
I think cards should do what they say they do in the card description. That would mean I also support reverting the Dragonqueen Alexstrasza change. Unless the change is made clear by a change in the card text, I don't support fringe changes and exceptions.
Also, Blizzard has made clear that they start designing sets a year or two in advance. They knew well that Rogue would have the mechanics they did, and still printed Dark Pharaoh Tekahn one year before. The reasoning is simple - discovering Tekahn from Dragon's Hoard is an uncommon occurrence that doesn't really affect balancing.
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If the text of Dragon's Hoard was "Choose another class, discover a legendary card from it" I will agree with this argument but the way the card works don't have a problem at all.
You and the others are right. Even as I posted this thread, I knew the answer I would get. Getting to decide what is and isn't fair in card generation is a slippery slope and to enjoy Hearthstone, you just have to accept getting highrolled the shit out of every now and then. Plus being the one high-rolling can be a lot of fun.
I do agree that the amount of random card generation rogue has crept into the territory of unfun, but that's the fault of lackies and rogue having the lacky theme for its Galakrond. At least it's only two out of five lackies that discover cards.
Fair enough, you're right. I guess what went through my head is, would it be acceptable to include a card in the discovery pool that hypothetically said "win the game" but only have it occur at a very low rate? Of course, Dark Pharaoh Tekahn does NOT straight up win the game, it just happens to be quite good, but it's interesting to think in extremes when thinking about these things.
Interestingly enough, the text for Dragonqueen Alexstrasza says "add 2 OTHER random dragons" so it could be interpreted to be consistent with the current effect. What's funny about this, though, is that the pre-nerf version had the same wording.
Dragon horde into dark pharaoh tekahn has happened several times for me and against me . Feel like a lot of times the coding is slanted towards synergy.
What's the chance of getting Dark Pharaoh Tekahn in Gala Rogue? Let's see, you have Dragon's Hoard and ummmm... well.... Oh yes, nothing else. There is literally just this one card and the only Rogue that runs it is Highlander Rogue. He has one copy of this spell in his deck, so what are the chances of getting Tekhan? Not too big I guess. Oh wait, there is the Discover Spell Lackey. Heh good luck praying to the RNG god...
Just happened to me, not for the first time - not as rare as people think when you play a lot of games. And yes, you can't do anything about it after they play it. Game over.
I know probability is less but unusually it happens too many times.