I just played a game of Highlander Hunter vs Quest druid.
At one point Zephrys could have offered me lethal but didn’t.
situation was him at 30, i have a ysera, rat and lynx on board (no taunts). Round before ysera gave me the 5/5 buff.
So i hit him for 11 with rat, 1 with lynx, 4 with ysera, kill command for 5 leaving him 9. Then I play Zephrys expecting windfury (5 mana left) as it would be lethal with rat.
but I was offered si:7, swipe and pyroblast.
I maybe should have put myself at less mana but can’t remember if it was possible, but Zeprhys is designed to value lethal above anything so 2 mana windfury should have been the offer.
My guess is it maybe didn’t recognize the ysera buff while evaluating windfury.
Blizzard should rotate or delete this card already, it's bad for everyone. Who plays and rely on it can be screwed and who play against doesn't like it too, cause it can remove ur board very easy and stupid. This may solve Zephrys problems!
I also had a situation where my opponent had 9 HP and I had above 9 dmg lethal, but opponent had 1 taunt minion. So I figured it would give me Silence or Mass Dispel or any other silence card to silence 1 minion and kill my opponent but it didn't. Can't remember options but no lethal from it. Ended up putting himt to 1 HP, but still winning the game at the end. Just wasn't playing Highlander Hunter but Priest instead.
maybe since the rat already attacked he didn't consider the rat as an option for lethal - seems plausible that they coded zephrys to check only minions that can attack
maybe since the rat already attacked he didn't consider the rat as an option for lethal - seems plausible that they coded zephrys to check only minions that can attack
This, zephyrs is only aware of board state. Playing zephyrs after buffing rat but before first attack would be lethal with wind fury,
lol, sounds so stupid that zeph can offer windfury but doesn't know that when u give windfury to a minion it can attack again.. so lame but that's probably how it is.
It might evaluate "minions summoned this turn (can't attack)" the same as "minions who already attacked this turn (can't attack)." Otherwise, you might run into situations where your only minion (with Windfury already) attacks twice, and then Zephrys offers you Windfury because it thinks that's lethal.
Certainly, things COULD be coded to count "# of attacks this turn," but I doubt it already is. And changing it just to suit Zephrys' logic isn't a great use of dev time. So the general guidance re: Zephrys remains the same -- if you're angling for a specific card/solution, set things up as best you can to encourage that outcome. From this, I think we've learned that Zephrys probably evaluates the number of minions who are currently eligible to hit face when deciding whether or not Windfury is a vector for lethal. So apply your buffs and clear any taunts first (if possible), then let Zephrys tally up as many eligible attackers as possible.
Honestly, it's well known Zephrys considers the board state at the time of playing. As far as Zephrys was concerned, the rat was unable to attack because you'd already attacked. It's a missplay.
You could've also kill commanded first and play zeph then for a bloodlust, which would also be lethal. Windfury would actually be the better card here, so I'm not saying you missplayed or anything. But bloodlust is just easier for zeph to spot.
Honestly, it's well known Zephrys considers the board state at the time of playing. As far as Zephrys was concerned, the rat was unable to attack because you'd already attacked. It's a missplay.
Maybe it was i misplay, but I would argue it is not an obvious curiosity. But this is not a complain thread, I still think Zephrys is a Great card.
Just thought I would share a thing you have to consider when you play him
if you just played the Ysera buff, Kill Command and then Zephrys he could've offered you either Windfury, Bloodlust or Blessed Champion for lethal.
idk why you thought it'd be a good idea to attack with everything first, unless you wanted to test Zephrys. We already know Zephrys fucks up now and again, the point is not to push your luck.
I just played a game of Highlander Hunter vs Quest druid.
At one point Zephrys could have offered me lethal but didn’t.
situation was him at 30, i have a ysera, rat and lynx on board (no taunts). Round before ysera gave me the 5/5 buff.
So i hit him for 11 with rat, 1 with lynx, 4 with ysera, kill command for 5 leaving him 9.
Then I play Zephrys expecting windfury (5 mana left) as it would be lethal with rat.
but I was offered si:7, swipe and pyroblast.
I maybe should have put myself at less mana but can’t remember if it was possible, but Zeprhys is designed to value lethal above anything so 2 mana windfury should have been the offer.
My guess is it maybe didn’t recognize the ysera buff while evaluating windfury.
Blizzard should rotate or delete this card already, it's bad for everyone. Who plays and rely on it can be screwed and who play against doesn't like it too, cause it can remove ur board very easy and stupid. This may solve Zephrys problems!
I also had a situation where my opponent had 9 HP and I had above 9 dmg lethal, but opponent had 1 taunt minion. So I figured it would give me Silence or Mass Dispel or any other silence card to silence 1 minion and kill my opponent but it didn't. Can't remember options but no lethal from it. Ended up putting himt to 1 HP, but still winning the game at the end. Just wasn't playing Highlander Hunter but Priest instead.
I think you shouldn't attack with the rat. Leave him with 20 hp, buff rat and then Zephrys into windfury.
maybe since the rat already attacked he didn't consider the rat as an option for lethal - seems plausible that they coded zephrys to check only minions that can attack
That's Incredible!
This, zephyrs is only aware of board state. Playing zephyrs after buffing rat but before first attack would be lethal with wind fury,
I did consider it being why and it is definitely possible. But in theory it shouldn’t stop Zephrys, meaning it should still have seen it.
but yeah maybe zephrys don’t even “see” minions that have attacked.
I did win off that pyroblast 2 rounds later though
lol, sounds so stupid that zeph can offer windfury but doesn't know that when u give windfury to a minion it can attack again.. so lame but that's probably how it is.
It might evaluate "minions summoned this turn (can't attack)" the same as "minions who already attacked this turn (can't attack)." Otherwise, you might run into situations where your only minion (with Windfury already) attacks twice, and then Zephrys offers you Windfury because it thinks that's lethal.
Certainly, things COULD be coded to count "# of attacks this turn," but I doubt it already is. And changing it just to suit Zephrys' logic isn't a great use of dev time. So the general guidance re: Zephrys remains the same -- if you're angling for a specific card/solution, set things up as best you can to encourage that outcome. From this, I think we've learned that Zephrys probably evaluates the number of minions who are currently eligible to hit face when deciding whether or not Windfury is a vector for lethal. So apply your buffs and clear any taunts first (if possible), then let Zephrys tally up as many eligible attackers as possible.
Honestly, it's well known Zephrys considers the board state at the time of playing. As far as Zephrys was concerned, the rat was unable to attack because you'd already attacked. It's a missplay.
You could've also kill commanded first and play zeph then for a bloodlust, which would also be lethal. Windfury would actually be the better card here, so I'm not saying you missplayed or anything. But bloodlust is just easier for zeph to spot.
Once I had lethal with roar or bloodlust, really easy. Instead he gave me clear board or taunt for protection against the opponent board. Ridiculous.
Maybe it was i misplay, but I would argue it is not an obvious curiosity. But this is not a complain thread, I still think Zephrys is a Great card.
Just thought I would share a thing you have to consider when you play him
Why did u attacked with rat? Its a clearly windfury play. Its only natural to play zephyr before attacking.
if you just played the Ysera buff, Kill Command and then Zephrys he could've offered you either Windfury, Bloodlust or Blessed Champion for lethal.idk why you thought it'd be a good idea to attack with everything first, unless you wanted to test Zephrys. We already know Zephrys fucks up now and again, the point is not to push your luck.
bad order is bad
Just a missplay by you. Please don't complain about the card, if you don't know how to use Zephrys properly.
It's the way you order things. You probably shouldn't have attacked with the rat so that zephrys can offer a windfury.
Attack with lynx and ysera, then play zephrys. then attack with rat
Yah his ai is still a little wonky.